Spiros Wrote:
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> Hello Brendan,
>
> There are a lot of things that one can check:
>
> 1) A new Moon
> 2) A full Moon
> 3) A Solar Eclipse
> 4) Fall Equinox(or an Equinox in general, see
> Menkaure causeway)
> 5) The arrangement of planets forming a triad that
> corresponds to the three sons or the three gods.
> In this case do these planets mimic the Giza
> pyramid positions?
> 6) The fifteenth day of the first month of Peret
> season
> 7) The planetary distances encoded in the Westcar
> Papyrus stories.
>
> Using Stellarium I was not able to find a solar
> eclipse the year 2640 BC. The year 2612 BC there
> does seem to be a marginal partial solar eclipse
> as observed from Giza. When the Moon and the Sun
> have the same altitude, their azimuth difference
> is 0.5054 degrees, the apparent Solar diameter
> being 0.5427 degrees.
>
> This date, October 23 is off the theoretical I
> Peret 15 date by 3 days(October 20). Its a
> possibility. But this might not be the only
> solution. Let's see what this does not agree with.
> it does not agree with the Fall Equinox(October 13
> this year). Note what the story says. We need to
> add 14 days to this date to see what happens.
> October 23 2612 BC plus 14 days leads to November
> 6, 2612 BC. If we keep the time of day the same as
> the eclipse, then the Moon is 97.8% illuminated
> and it is not visible. So for there to be a Full
> Moon we need to see the Moon rise once again and
> set, and still we have no Full Moon yet. When it
> sets on November 7, 2612 BC it is 14.5 days old
> and 99.9% illuminated. It starts to be 100%
> illuminated at 7:55 pm(below the ground).
>
> It is a bit problematic to consider the three sons
> to represent 2 planets plus the Moon. Venus
> follows the Sun it is cannot be considered part of
> the triad. We thus don't have the Giza pyramid
> positions to relate to the celestial positions.
> Finally the planets distances encoded in the WP do
> not match those of this date.
>
> I have found a solution. What it includes:
> 1) A New Moon (check)
> 2) After 14 days during the Night the Moon reaches
> the Full Moon position before setting at a 99%
> illuminated state.
> 3) A Solar Eclipse (one day away from the next
> Fall Equinox there is a Solar Eclipse)
> 4) Fall Equinox (see above)
> 5) The arrangement of planets forming a triad that
> corresponds to the three sons or the three gods.
> In this case do these planets mimic the Giza
> pyramid positions? (check)
> 6) The fifteenth day of the first month of Peret
> season (There is a correlation on another day of
> this year that agrees with this. It is one day off
> of the day we would expect. It could be used to
> date the Old Kingdom ideal epoch).
> 7) The planetary distances encoded in the Westcar
> Papyrus stories. (check: the two planet distances
> encoded in the WP (both!) agree with those
> observed on this day).
>
> The day of this alignment is of religious
> significance. Also, there are other things that
> relate to the Moon going on this year!
>
> Also: the three planets follow the Sun. So yes
> they seem to be born in the West after the Sun
> sets as you posted.
>
> BR Spiros

Hi Spiros,

I think that I have made an error in the constellation map. If I look at the map so far, we have:

Story 2 - Ubainer and the Wax Crocodile
Wax Crocodile - Leo Minor
Large Crocodile - Hydra
Villager - Possibly Gemini

Story 3 - Sneferu and the Rowing Trip
The boat - Argo
The rowers - Crux
Fish Pendant - Piscis Austrinus (?)

Story 4 - Djedi
The bull - Meskhetiu or Ursa Major
The Lion - Leo
Djedi - Possibly Gemini or Cancer (?)
Thoth - the moon

Story 5 - the birth of Ruddjedet's Children
Reusre - Sah/ Orion (??)
Ruddjedet - Ophiuchus (??)
Khnum - ??

The Story 5 identifications are the most suspect. I wrote to Belmonte about the identification of Reret to Ophiuchus and he has kindly replied. Based on his reply I don't think my identification to Ophiuchus is correct. Rather, per the paper he wrote with Lull, Belmonte confirmed both he and Lull still, now 10 years on see Reret as taking up a huge portion of the sky from Lyra to Bootes, including some of Draco and Serpens Caput could be part of the crocodile on her back.

The identification of Reusre to Sah/Orion is also suspect - this was based on the fact that User was a spelling of Osiris and Saw is a persona of Osiris. However, per my post here: [grahamhancock.com] Assmann sees Re-Osiris as the resting place of Re in Osiris (ie the place where the sun sets) then Osiris rests in Re (as the sun rises in the East).

A re-read of Quack's "The Planets in Ancient Egypt" also provides the possibility that Thoth is associated to Mercury as well as the moon,

"Mercury is depicted with the head of an ape, showing a connection with the god Thoth (the Egyptian equivalent of Hermes), who is typically associated with an ape."
"Mercury: the star of Thoth"


Making changes to the mapping opens up a later date - possibly early December:

Story 2 - Ubainer and the Wax Crocodile
Wax Crocodile - Leo Minor
Large Crocodile - Hydra
Villager - Possibly Gemini

Story 3 - Sneferu and the Rowing Trip
The boat - Argo
The rowers - Crux
Fish Pendant - Piscis Austrinus (?)

Story 4 - Djedi
The bull - Meskhetiu or Ursa Major
The Lion - Leo
Djedi - Possibly Gemini or Cancer (?)
Thoth - the moon or Mercury

Story 5 - the birth of Ruddjedet's Children
Reusre - constellation housing the sunset
Ruddjedet - per Lull and Belmonte for Reret - Large portion of sky from Bootes to Lyra, taking in a portion of Draco.
Khnum - Capricornus (which is the Goat in Lull and Belmonte Table 6.1)

I haven't had a chance to investigate other dates yet but December 1, 2800 BCE at dawn provides an interesting perspective, fits in with the Sothic Cycle dates relatively well (+1 day). This timing fits better with Story 2 - where the villager is taken by the crocodile into the pool:





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10-Feb-20 06:53 by engbren.