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Hi BC

Another way of possibly looking at such a statement - the 12 and 24 - plays with Mercator Projection.

That is defined by the wonder of having spherical observation projected upon 2D presentation, where the horizontal 360deg relates to the vertical 180deg, giving a perfect square incorporating 360deg all over...if you realize how the two ends of the horizontal are actually the same meridian. Stellarium will offer the views for you.

Cylinder Projection just doesn't do it right.

Of course, that takes 'squaring the circle' to its true meaning...

i'm going for a short walk on a long pier. back in a second

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Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 5168 engbren 25-Jul-19 13:03
Re: Unlocking the Wonder of Djadjaemankh 517 cladking 25-Jul-19 14:04
Re: Unlocking the Wonder of Djadjaemankh 389 engbren 28-Jul-19 08:05
Re: Unlocking the Wonder of Djadjaemankh 334 engbren 26-Jul-19 15:04
Re: Unlocking the Wonder of Djadjaemankh 318 engbren 01-Aug-19 13:52
Re: Unlocking the Wonder of Djadjaemankh 308 engbren 02-Aug-19 06:37
Re: Unlocking the Wonder of Djadjaemankh 344 engbren 28-Jul-19 12:28
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus story of the Wonder of Djadjaemankh 380 GramPong 02-Aug-19 14:33
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus story of the Wonder of Djadjaemankh 358 engbren 03-Aug-19 05:33
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus story of the Wonder of Djadjaemankh 322 GramPong 03-Aug-19 13:41
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus story of the Wonder of Djadjaemankh 315 engbren 04-Aug-19 04:41
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus story of the Wonder of Djadjaemankh 320 GramPong 04-Aug-19 12:30
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus story of the Wonder of Djadjaemankh 314 engbren 04-Aug-19 23:01
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus story of the Wonder of Djadjaemankh 312 GramPong 05-Aug-19 07:49
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus story of the Wonder of Djadjaemankh 357 engbren 05-Aug-19 10:15
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus story of the Wonder of Djadjaemankh 322 engbren 07-Aug-19 13:16
Unlocking the punch-line 428 hendrik dirker 10-Aug-19 08:59
Re: Unlocking the punch-line 357 engbren 10-Aug-19 09:35
Re: Unlocking the punch-line 301 engbren 11-Aug-19 23:00
Re: Unlocking the punch-line 335 hendrik dirker 12-Aug-19 14:23
Re: Unlocking the punch-line 313 engbren 12-Aug-19 22:40
The plot & motive 327 hendrik dirker 13-Aug-19 10:56
Re: The plot & motive 295 engbren 13-Aug-19 12:10
Re: The plot & motive 354 hendrik dirker 13-Aug-19 14:04
Re: The plot & motive 303 engbren 13-Aug-19 23:04
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus story of the Wonder of Djadjaemankh 309 engbren 12-Aug-19 13:17
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 320 engbren 15-Aug-19 12:20
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 323 engbren 19-Aug-19 11:50
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 322 engbren 22-Aug-19 09:18
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 317 Spiros 23-Aug-19 14:56
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 291 engbren 23-Aug-19 23:41
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 301 Spiros 24-Aug-19 06:16
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 309 engbren 24-Aug-19 10:52
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 300 Spiros 26-Aug-19 09:28
Egyptian seasons in the Phaistos disk 296 Spiros 26-Aug-19 09:55
Is Sopdet Involved? 274 engbren 13-Sep-19 11:45
Re: Is Sopdet Involved? 274 Spiros 13-Sep-19 13:47
Re: Is Sopdet Involved? 333 engbren 13-Sep-19 23:54
Re: Is Sopdet Involved? 277 Spiros 15-Sep-19 06:54
Re: Is Sopdet Involved? 269 engbren 16-Sep-19 12:16
Re: Is Sopdet Involved? 251 Glass Jigsaw 28-Sep-19 17:54
Re: Is Sopdet Involved? 270 engbren 29-Sep-19 09:08
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 320 engbren 27-Aug-19 08:07
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 303 Spiros 29-Aug-19 05:56
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 293 engbren 29-Aug-19 08:46
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 269 Spiros 07-Sep-19 04:07
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 261 engbren 08-Sep-19 02:32
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 252 Spiros 08-Sep-19 14:18
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 284 engbren 28-Aug-19 13:57
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 302 engbren 30-Aug-19 13:06
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 283 engbren 31-Aug-19 12:35
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 313 Spiros 31-Aug-19 19:21
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 266 engbren 04-Sep-19 13:49
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 257 Spiros 07-Sep-19 04:36
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 269 engbren 07-Sep-19 11:35
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 253 Spiros 08-Sep-19 14:50
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 243 engbren 27-Oct-19 12:21
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 247 Spiros 29-Oct-19 13:20
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 263 engbren 29-Oct-19 19:21
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 227 Spiros 30-Oct-19 18:22
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 223 engbren 30-Oct-19 19:29
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 253 Spiros 30-Oct-19 19:59
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 249 Glass Jigsaw 30-Oct-19 13:00
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 254 Spiros 31-Oct-19 15:19
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 249 Glass Jigsaw 31-Oct-19 16:16
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 271 drew 05-Sep-19 04:06
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 303 Spiros 05-Sep-19 06:31
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 299 engbren 05-Sep-19 09:26
Re: 1/14 of Osiris 301 drew 06-Sep-19 00:11
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 265 Spiros 07-Sep-19 05:03
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 263 engbren 06-Sep-19 00:44
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 285 drew 06-Sep-19 01:47
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 273 engbren 06-Sep-19 07:45
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 273 drew 06-Sep-19 08:14
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 264 engbren 06-Sep-19 08:39
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 287 engbren 06-Sep-19 09:02
The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 330 engbren 09-Sep-19 12:21
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 298 Spiros 09-Sep-19 15:40
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 317 Glass Jigsaw 09-Sep-19 20:13
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 304 engbren 10-Sep-19 05:52
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 269 Glass Jigsaw 10-Sep-19 10:54
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 262 engbren 11-Sep-19 13:14
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 287 Glass Jigsaw 11-Sep-19 14:37
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 276 drew 13-Sep-19 04:04
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 276 engbren 13-Sep-19 09:24
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 262 drew 13-Sep-19 10:46
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 270 Glass Jigsaw 13-Sep-19 11:21
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 266 drew 13-Sep-19 11:52
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 273 Glass Jigsaw 13-Sep-19 12:09
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 266 engbren 22-Sep-19 12:32
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 262 cladking 22-Sep-19 13:15
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 304 Glass Jigsaw 22-Sep-19 14:02
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 292 engbren 23-Sep-19 00:42
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 275 Spiros 23-Sep-19 02:54
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 267 Glass Jigsaw 23-Sep-19 10:43
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 261 Spiros 23-Sep-19 13:20
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 270 Glass Jigsaw 23-Sep-19 13:58
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 256 Spiros 23-Sep-19 17:30
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 302 Glass Jigsaw 23-Sep-19 23:51
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 252 Spiros 24-Sep-19 17:41
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 274 Glass Jigsaw 24-Sep-19 22:26
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 265 Spiros 25-Sep-19 13:39
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 283 Glass Jigsaw 25-Sep-19 15:15
The Age of Pisces 393 hendrik dirker 28-Sep-19 08:36
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 276 drew 25-Sep-19 00:49
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 263 Glass Jigsaw 25-Sep-19 11:34
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 254 Glass Jigsaw 25-Sep-19 12:29
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 248 engbren 22-Oct-19 11:07
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 254 Glass Jigsaw 22-Oct-19 14:18
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 235 engbren 25-Oct-19 11:06
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 240 drew 23-Oct-19 23:51
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 223 Glass Jigsaw 24-Oct-19 00:20
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 257 engbren 25-Oct-19 05:57
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 225 engbren 28-Oct-19 20:48
Re: The Age of Pisces or Aquarius? 231 Glass Jigsaw 28-Oct-19 23:23
Astrological signs with human and creature idioms.... 235 Itatw70s 02-Nov-19 00:15
Re: Astrological signs with human and creature idioms.... 258 Glass Jigsaw 02-Nov-19 01:35
Re: Astrological signs with human and creature idioms.... 247 Itatw70s 02-Nov-19 13:45
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 319 Glass Jigsaw 07-Sep-19 12:03
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 327 cladking 07-Sep-19 14:07
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 229 Itatw70s 02-Nov-19 14:20
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 244 Glass Jigsaw 02-Nov-19 14:56
Khnum Khufu 276 engbren 08-Sep-19 13:11
Re: Khnum Khufu 267 Spiros 08-Sep-19 14:46
Trimming away unnecessary observations... 306 drew 09-Sep-19 00:30
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 284 drew 11-Sep-19 03:31
The moon and number 41 295 engbren 11-Sep-19 13:19
Re: The moon and number 41 245 thinkitover 23-Oct-19 05:48
Re: The moon and number 41 243 Glass Jigsaw 23-Oct-19 16:18
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 240 engbren 24-Oct-19 09:51
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 233 Glass Jigsaw 24-Oct-19 11:32
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 261 engbren 25-Oct-19 03:27
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 252 gulsbo 25-Oct-19 19:43
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 252 engbren 29-Oct-19 08:55
Some Random Ideas... 247 thinkitover 01-Nov-19 00:19
Re: Some Random Ideas... 225 engbren 03-Nov-19 21:47
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 260 engbren 04-Nov-19 12:26
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 253 engbren 16-Nov-19 12:02
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 225 Glass Jigsaw 27-Nov-19 00:59
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 231 Sirfiroth 27-Nov-19 04:47
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 234 magisterchessmutt 27-Nov-19 05:45
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 247 Sirfiroth 27-Nov-19 17:34
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 207 magisterchessmutt 28-Nov-19 00:38
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 211 Sirfiroth 28-Nov-19 01:29
Deleted n/t 211 cladking 27-Nov-19 12:33
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 237 engbren 02-Dec-19 12:09
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 224 Thanos5150 06-Dec-19 15:52
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 210 engbren 07-Dec-19 09:22
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 209 Spiros 07-Dec-19 21:54
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 213 engbren 12-Dec-19 11:36
Diameter of Alhena vs Coffer volume sphere theory 182 engbren 17-Dec-19 09:51
Re: Diameter of Alhena vs Coffer volume sphere theory 180 engbren 19-Dec-19 20:23
Re: Diameter of Alhena vs Coffer volume sphere theory 188 Glass Jigsaw 20-Dec-19 03:14
Re: Diameter of Alhena vs Coffer volume sphere theory 202 Spiros 23-Dec-19 22:27
Re: Diameter of Alhena vs Coffer volume sphere theory 150 engbren 29-Dec-19 04:58
Re: Diameter of Alhena vs Coffer volume sphere theory 126 engbren 08-Jan-20 20:01
In the Northern Skies 157 engbren 30-Dec-19 02:26
Re: In the Northern Skies 160 engbren 30-Dec-19 10:39
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 163 engbren 09-Jan-20 12:46
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 167 engbren 10-Jan-20 13:30
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 153 Spiros 12-Jan-20 19:32
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 169 Thanos5150 13-Jan-20 00:03
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 147 Spiros 15-Jan-20 13:32
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 170 engbren 15-Jan-20 11:08
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 173 Spiros 15-Jan-20 19:16
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 166 engbren 17-Jan-20 09:34
On the identity of the Children 167 engbren 19-Jan-20 08:15
Re: On the identity of the Children 143 Glass Jigsaw 19-Jan-20 20:21
Speculation on the offerings 161 engbren 21-Jan-20 12:26
Re: Speculation on the offerings 156 Glass Jigsaw 21-Jan-20 13:04
Not enough here to connect a date! Massive Speculation 161 Sirhope 22-Jan-20 02:14
Re: Not enough here to connect a date! Massive Speculation 143 engbren 23-Jan-20 03:25
The Egyptian Civil Calendar 158 engbren 27-Jan-20 03:05
Re: The Egyptian Civil Calendar 163 engbren 28-Jan-20 11:57
Re: The Egyptian Civil Calendar 161 Spiros 29-Jan-20 15:20
Re: The Egyptian Civil Calendar 140 engbren 30-Jan-20 12:11
Re: The Egyptian Civil Calendar 147 Spiros 01-Feb-20 15:07
Re: The Egyptian Civil Calendar 129 engbren 02-Feb-20 13:31
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 138 engbren 31-Jan-20 09:24
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 131 engbren 08-Feb-20 07:21
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 142 Spiros 08-Feb-20 22:37
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 140 engbren 10-Feb-20 06:43
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 131 engbren 13-Feb-20 13:03
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 138 Manu 13-Feb-20 16:58
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 114 engbren 14-Feb-20 10:03
On the Provions of Vegetables to Djedi 136 engbren 05-Feb-20 07:00
The house of Reusre 138 engbren 06-Feb-20 08:42
Re: The house of Reusre 153 hendrik dirker 06-Feb-20 12:54
Re: The house of Reusre 149 engbren 07-Feb-20 05:38
Re: The house of Reusre 130 engbren 14-Feb-20 10:49
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 131 engbren 15-Feb-20 09:14
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 133 Spiros 16-Feb-20 19:32
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 125 Spiros 17-Feb-20 01:21
The location of the pool and possibly Meskhenet 158 engbren 17-Feb-20 08:51
Re: The location of the pool and possibly Meskhenet 174 Spiros 17-Feb-20 19:13
Re: The location of the pool and possibly Meskhenet 159 engbren 18-Feb-20 09:46
Re: The location of the pool and possibly Meskhenet 171 Glass Jigsaw 18-Feb-20 14:21
Re: The location of the pool and possibly Meskhenet 122 engbren 20-Feb-20 08:11
Re: The location of the pool and possibly Meskhenet 135 Glass Jigsaw 20-Feb-20 14:53
Re: The location of the pool and possibly Meskhenet 127 engbren 22-Feb-20 06:14
Re: The location of the pool and possibly Meskhenet 97 Spiros 07-Mar-20 22:47
Feedback 159 engbren 25-Feb-20 12:15
Re: Feedback 104 Mercurial 06-Mar-20 18:53
Re: Feedback 122 engbren 07-Mar-20 12:51
Re: Feedback 121 Mercurial 11-Mar-20 13:08
Re: Feedback 104 SandyJesse 08-Apr-20 21:49
Re: Feedback 118 Spiros 08-Apr-20 22:26
Re: Feedback 141 SandyJesse 08-Apr-20 23:00
Re: Feedback 118 engbren 30-Apr-20 14:31
Re: Feedback 91 Glass Jigsaw 11-May-20 17:58
Re: Feedback 82 Mercurial 12-May-20 10:23
Re: Feedback 82 Glass Jigsaw 13-May-20 12:13
Re: Feedback 117 cladking 06-Mar-20 20:28
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 182 engbren 01-Mar-20 01:38
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 97 engbren 06-Mar-20 10:26
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 117 Manu 06-Mar-20 10:55
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 114 engbren 07-Mar-20 04:21
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 118 Manu 07-Mar-20 07:45
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 110 engbren 07-Mar-20 12:33
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 112 Manu 08-Mar-20 00:17
Puchkov vs Belmonte, Spence and Rawlins and Pickering 114 engbren 08-Mar-20 03:37
Re: Puchkov vs Belmonte, Spence and Rawlins and Pickering 114 Manu 08-Mar-20 04:35
Re: Puchkov vs Belmonte, Spence and Rawlins and Pickering 116 Glass Jigsaw 08-Mar-20 16:46
Re: Puchkov vs Belmonte, Spence and Rawlins and Pickering 133 Manu 08-Mar-20 16:56
Re: Puchkov vs Belmonte, Spence and Rawlins and Pickering 115 engbren 09-Mar-20 12:05
Re: Puchkov vs Belmonte, Spence and Rawlins and Pickering 107 Glass Jigsaw 09-Mar-20 14:17
Re: Puchkov vs Belmonte, Spence and Rawlins and Pickering 124 Glass Jigsaw 09-Mar-20 14:29
Re: Unlocking the Westcar Papyrus with Egyptian Astronomy 115 Spiros 08-Mar-20 16:08
On the offerings 73 engbren 16-May-20 11:21
Re: On the offerings 98 Glass Jigsaw 16-May-20 13:02
Re: On the offerings 88 engbren 19-May-20 13:06
Re: On the offerings 85 Glass Jigsaw 19-May-20 18:22
Re: On the offerings 103 engbren 20-May-20 14:11
Re: On the offerings 115 engbren 22-May-20 13:55
Re: On the offerings 105 engbren 24-May-20 13:20
Is Khufu's Pyramid based on Saturn? 95 engbren 25-May-20 13:53
Re: On the offerings..Query 67 Glass Jigsaw 11-Jun-20 11:45
Re: On the offerings..Query 48 Mercurial 19-Jun-20 04:22
Re: On the offerings..Query 42 Glass Jigsaw 19-Jun-20 13:34
Re: On the offerings..Query 41 Mercurial 19-Jun-20 17:31
Re: On the offerings..Query Wallpaper 71 Glass Jigsaw 19-Jun-20 18:25


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