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Corpuscles Wrote:
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> I am sure you are capable of googling "sundogs"!
>
> I am not an expert of this strange medieval event
> but apart from the claimed movement and the smoke
> and crashing (which no doubt excites the UFO
> believers)

I would think an account of such an event would "excite" anyone regardless of whether they were "UFO's" or not.

> the description was a "sun" and
> crescent shaped "suns" likely 22degrees either
> side of the sun.

You sure about that:
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In between these globes there were visible a few blood-red crosses, between which there were blood-red strips, becoming thicker to the rear and in the front malleable like the rods of reed-grass, which were intermingled, among them two big rods, one on the right, the other to the left, and within the small and big rods there were three, also four and more globes. These all started to fight among themselves, so that the globes, which were first in the sun, flew out to the ones standing on both sides, thereafter, the globes standing outside the sun, in the small and large rods, flew into the sun. Besides the globes flew back and forth among themselves and fought vehemently with each other for over an hour. And when the conflict in and again out of the sun was most intense, they became fatigued to such an extent that they all, as said above, fell from the sun down upon the earth 'as if they all burned' and they then wasted away on the earth with immense smoke. After all this there was something like a black spear, very long and thick, sighted; the shaft pointed to the east, the point pointed west.
Does this look like just "the description was a "sun" and crescent shaped "suns" likely 22 degrees either side of the sun" to you:


Quoting the synopsis from Wikipedia:
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A broadsheet news article printed in April 1561 describes a mass sighting of UFOs. The broadsheet, illustrated with a woodcut engraving and text by Hans Glaser, measures 26.2 centimetres (10.3 in) by 38.0 centimetres (15.0 in). The document is archived in the prints and drawings collection at the Zentralbibliothek Zürich in Zürich, Switzerland.[2]

According to the broadsheet, around dawn on April 14, 1561, residents of Nuremberg saw what they described as an aerial battle, followed by the appearance of a large black triangular object and then a large crash outside of the city. The broadsheet claims that witnesses observed hundreds of spheres, cylinders and other odd-shaped objects that moved erratically overhead.[3][4][5][6][7]

The broadsheet describes objects of various shapes including crosses, globes, two lunar crescents, a black spear and tubular objects from which several smaller, round objects emerged and darted around the sky at dawn.[8]

A little different than ""the description was a "sun" and crescent shaped "suns" likely 22 degrees either side of the sun".

> It is a now known observed NATURAL phenomena which
> closely agrees to the previous medieval
> unscientific description.

Quoting myself from an earlier post to Merell:
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A photo taken from Johnson's blog:


The drawing comes from the Nuremberg Chronicle from 1493 with the accompanying text:
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"Three Suns, beside one another, were seen in the West at this time, on the Nones of September. The middle one went to rest two hours after the other two had disappeared. In the same manner three moons appeared in the following year. Upon the central one a cross appeared."

And yet in little more than 60yrs, these people of Nuremberg who had probably seen several if not many of these sun dogs in the intervening six decades, lost their minds and now depicted sun dogs like this:


Describing them like this (compare with above):
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In the morning of April 14, 1561, at daybreak, between 4 and 5 a.m., a dreadful apparition occurred on the sun, and then this was seen in Nuremberg in the city, before the gates and in the country – by many men and women. At first there appeared in the middle of the sun two blood-red semi-circular arcs, just like the moon in its last quarter. And in the sun, above and below and on both sides, the color was blood, there stood a round ball of partly dull, partly black ferrous color. Likewise there stood on both sides and as a torus about the sun such blood-red ones and other balls in large number, about three in a line and four in a square, also some alone.

In between these globes there were visible a few blood-red crosses, between which there were blood-red strips, becoming thicker to the rear and in the front malleable like the rods of reed-grass, which were intermingled, among them two big rods, one on the right, the other to the left, and within the small and big rods there were three, also four and more globes. These all started to fight among themselves, so that the globes, which were first in the sun, flew out to the ones standing on both sides, thereafter, the globes standing outside the sun, in the small and large rods, flew into the sun. Besides the globes flew back and forth among themselves and fought vehemently with each other for over an hour. And when the conflict in and again out of the sun was most intense, they became fatigued to such an extent that they all, as said above, fell from the sun down upon the earth 'as if they all burned' and they then wasted away on the earth with immense smoke.

After all this there was something like a black spear, very long and thick, sighted; the shaft pointed to the east, the point pointed west. Whatever such signs mean, God alone knows. Although we have seen, shortly one after another, many kinds of signs on the heaven, which are sent to us by the almighty God, to bring us to repentance, we still are, unfortunately, so ungrateful that we despise such high signs and miracles of God. Or we speak of them with ridicule and discard them to the wind, in order that God may send us a frightening punishment on account of our ungratefulness. After all, the God-fearing will by no means discard these signs, but will take it to heart as a warning of their merciful Father in heaven, will mend their lives and faithfully beg God, that He may avert His wrath, including the well-deserved punishment, on us, so that we may temporarily here and perpetually there, live as his children. For it, may God grant us his help, Amen. By Hanns Glaser, letter-painter of Nurnberg.

[emphasis and paragraph indent mine]

So no, not only does this natural phenomenon not "closely agrees to the previous medieval unscientific description" it does not even compare to previous "medieval unscientific description" and depictions of an actual sun dog made barely 60yrs before.

> It comes down to what is most likely or plausible
> Versus fantasy of the existence of less evidenced
> and unstudied, not understood imaginary
> supernatural things

You are ignorant of which you speak.

List of investigations of UFOs by governments

Most recently:Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program

> I didn't call them liars AT ALL! They described
> events as their knowledge permitted with a big
> dose of supernatural religion stirred into the
> mix.

Again, this had nothing to do with what they described. It was their explanation after the fact.

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