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> > > > Wow. Sun dogs that fall on the ground and
> > emit
> > > > immense smoke plumes.
> > >
> > > Some of these historical accounts from
> > centuries
> > > ago cannot necessarily be taken at face
> value.
> > I
> > > said "possibly sun dogs," in case some other
> > > explanation might emerge at some point.
> > >
> > > Do you have a suggestion or theory about the
> > > phenomenon?
> >
> > Do sundogs behave in the manner described? If
> they
> > don't, then your "explanation" doesn't hold
> > water.
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> Basically yes.

Basically? It's either yes or no. An explanation of how they behave is in order. How is their behavior similar or dissimilar to the events described?


> > If you're going to propose an alternate
> > explanation, that explanation must be
> consistent
> > with the events and object described.
>
> So medieval folk were capable of understanding
> such phenomenon ? and everything they ACTUALLY
> claimed happened?
>
> What about this part
>
>
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After all this there was something like a
> black spear, very long and thick, sighted; the
> shaft pointed to the east, the point pointed west.
> Whatever such signs mean, God alone knows.
> Although we have seen, shortly one after another,
> many kinds of signs on the heaven, which are
> sent to us by the almighty God, to bring us to
> repentance, we still are, unfortunately, so
> ungrateful that we despise such high signs and
> miracles of God. Or we speak of them with ridicule
> and discard them to the wind, in order that God
> may send us a frightening punishment on account of
> our ungratefulness.
After all, the God-fearing
> will by no means discard these signs, but will
> take it to heart as a warning of their merciful
> Father in heaven, will mend their lives and
> faithfully beg God, that He may avert His
> wrath, including the well-deserved punishment
,
> on us, so that we may temporarily here and
> perpetually there, live as his children. For it,
> may God grant us his help, Amen. By Hanns Glaser,
> letter-painter of Nurnberg.
>
> Doesn't sound like a scientific objective account
> to me!

Nobody said it was. But what I said stands. You can propose 600 years after the fact that it was sun dogs, but you'll never prove it. But that's not stopping you from calling them liars, I see.

Do sun dogs behave that way or don't they? Just because they didn't couch their experience in modern terms doesn't mean it didn't happen. Another fallacy.


> For there to be any reason for a debunker there
> MUST first be a huge pile of steaming advocated
> BUNKUM!

And there's the preconceived ideas. Who are you to determine what is and isn't bunkum?

There will always be debunkers and naysayers, just like those who said sailor would fall of the edge of the world.

Stupidity is knowing the truth, seeing the truth but still believing the lies. And that is more infectious than any other disease. ~ Richard Feynman

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Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Anunnaki 161 GramPong 18-Jul-19 13:15
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Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Anunnaki 183 Thanos5150 20-Jul-19 01:23
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Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Annunaki 263 Martin Stower 16-Jul-19 08:51
Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Annunaki 193 GramPong 16-Jul-19 10:53
Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Annunaki 154 Barbelo 16-Jul-19 21:09
Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Annunaki 189 Martin Stower 16-Jul-19 21:30
Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Annunaki 162 GramPong 16-Jul-19 22:23
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Re: Immortality & Resurrection 162 Barbelo 17-Jul-19 03:37
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Re: Immortality & Resurrection 184 Martin Stower 17-Jul-19 07:44
Re: Immortality & Resurrection 155 GramPong 17-Jul-19 09:10
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Re: Stargate: Forgettable & Regrettable 186 GramPong 18-Jul-19 13:18
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Re: Stargate: Forgettable & Regrettable 153 GramPong 18-Jul-19 22:15
Re: A Stargate: Is It Real? 198 Barbelo 19-Jul-19 00:45
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Re: A Stargate: Is It Real? 165 Barbelo 21-Jul-19 00:49
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Re: A Stargate: Is It Real? 148 Barbelo 22-Jul-19 21:03
Re: A Stargate: Is It Real? 183 Barbelo 20-Jul-19 04:49
Re: Stargate 203 Merrell 18-Jul-19 08:05
Re: Stargate 172 Barbelo 18-Jul-19 22:10
Re: Stargate 208 Merrell 19-Jul-19 11:25
Re: Stargate 189 Barbelo 19-Jul-19 21:28
Re: Stargate 171 Merrell 19-Jul-19 21:52
Re: Stargate 212 Thanos5150 20-Jul-19 15:32
Re: Stargate 174 Merrell 20-Jul-19 15:45
Re: Stargate 158 Thanos5150 23-Jul-19 21:30
Re: Stargate 154 Aine 23-Jul-19 23:03
Re: Stargate 173 Corpuscles 24-Jul-19 00:05
Re: Stargate 164 Thanos5150 24-Jul-19 00:43
Re: Stargate 137 Aine 24-Jul-19 01:09
Re: Stargate 156 Corpuscles 24-Jul-19 01:33
Re: Stargate 163 Thanos5150 24-Jul-19 01:56
Re: Stargate 166 Corpuscles 24-Jul-19 03:47
Re: Stargate 155 Thanos5150 24-Jul-19 15:05
Re: Stargate 145 Corpuscles 24-Jul-19 23:08
Re: Stargate 158 Thanos5150 25-Jul-19 01:46
Mod Note > Duplicate Postings 136 Dr. Troglodyte 25-Jul-19 17:13
Re: Stargate 173 Merrell 21-Jul-19 12:34
Re: Stargate 166 Martin Stower 22-Jul-19 15:40
Re: Stargate 155 Thanos5150 23-Jul-19 21:56
Re: Stargate 187 jazzmumbles 22-Jul-19 01:04
Re: Stargate 168 Merrell 22-Jul-19 06:49
Re: Stargate 151 drrayeye 22-Jul-19 17:18
The EcuadorianToilet Float of the Gods 152 Merrell 22-Jul-19 19:47
debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 174 drrayeye 22-Jul-19 22:25
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 165 Merrell 24-Jul-19 12:43
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 156 Martin Stower 24-Jul-19 13:36
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 153 drrayeye 24-Jul-19 14:31
And..... 154 Barbelo 24-Jul-19 22:19
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 143 drrayeye 24-Jul-19 14:29
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 145 Merrell 25-Jul-19 06:43
Debunkatron 148 drrayeye 25-Jul-19 06:50
Re: Debunkatron 152 Martin Stower 25-Jul-19 08:24
Re: Debunkatron 157 drrayeye 25-Jul-19 13:16
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 157 Aine 26-Jul-19 16:04
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 193 Aine 24-Jul-19 17:06
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 168 Merrell 25-Jul-19 06:41
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 159 Aine 25-Jul-19 10:41
Agreed 148 drrayeye 25-Jul-19 13:24
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 151 Martin Stower 25-Jul-19 15:32
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 144 GramPong 25-Jul-19 16:30
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 134 Aine 26-Jul-19 16:02
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 141 Martin Stower 25-Jul-19 07:28
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 152 Aine 25-Jul-19 10:39
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 172 Martin Stower 25-Jul-19 11:27
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 125 Aine 25-Jul-19 13:21
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 165 Martin Stower 25-Jul-19 15:13
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 154 Thanos5150 25-Jul-19 16:28
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 180 Martin Stower 25-Jul-19 18:49
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 157 Thanos5150 26-Jul-19 15:15
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 159 Martin Stower 26-Jul-19 19:16
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 147 Aine 26-Jul-19 16:18
Re: debunking vs. disproving, and . . . 158 Aine 26-Jul-19 15:50
Re: Stargate 153 Aine 23-Jul-19 22:25
Re: Stargate 155 Thanos5150 23-Jul-19 23:39
Re: Stargate 166 Aine 24-Jul-19 00:59
Re: Stargate 137 Thanos5150 24-Jul-19 03:43
Re: Stargate 208 Aine 24-Jul-19 11:16
Re: Stargate 149 PB Bytes 24-Jul-19 23:18
Re: Stargate 152 Corpuscles 25-Jul-19 00:25
Re: Stargate 124 PB Bytes 25-Jul-19 03:04
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Re: Stargate 161 Corpuscles 25-Jul-19 22:32
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Re: Collateral damage 145 Corpuscles 26-Jul-19 03:36
Re: Stargate 200 R Avry Wilson 26-Jul-19 03:25
Re: mirage.. 131 PB Bytes 26-Jul-19 04:55
Re: mirage.. 168 R Avry Wilson 26-Jul-19 08:28
Re: Stargate 140 PB Bytes 26-Jul-19 05:07
Re: Stargate 153 Corpuscles 26-Jul-19 05:31
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Re: Stargate 143 Thanos5150 25-Jul-19 01:59
Re: Stargate 139 PB Bytes 25-Jul-19 02:10
Re: Stargate 154 Thanos5150 25-Jul-19 02:31
Re: Stargate 140 PB Bytes 25-Jul-19 02:54
Re: Stargate 154 Thanos5150 25-Jul-19 03:26
Re: Stargate 165 PB Bytes 25-Jul-19 03:31
Re: Stargate 152 GramPong 25-Jul-19 11:57
Cloaking ? 124 PB Bytes 25-Jul-19 21:35
Re: Stargate 175 Martin Stower 25-Jul-19 11:32
Re: Stargate 141 PB Bytes 26-Jul-19 04:58
Re: Stargate 167 Martin Stower 24-Jul-19 13:24
Re: Stargate 173 drrayeye 24-Jul-19 15:13
"The Book Of The Damned" - A Debunker's Dream? 155 Barbelo 24-Jul-19 01:48
Re: Stargate 146 GramPong 19-Jul-19 23:33
The Emerald Tablets 168 Barbelo 20-Jul-19 02:19
Re: The Emerald Tablets 167 GramPong 20-Jul-19 02:53
Re: The Emerald Tablets 169 Merrell 20-Jul-19 09:04
Re: The Emerald Tablets 169 GramPong 20-Jul-19 15:03
Re: The Emerald Tablets 145 cladking 20-Jul-19 22:12
Re: The Emerald Tablets 172 Merrell 20-Jul-19 12:39
Re: The Emerald Tablets 164 Barbelo 20-Jul-19 21:28
Re: The Emerald Tablets 200 Merrell 20-Jul-19 22:04
Re: The Emerald Tablets 147 Barbelo 20-Jul-19 22:34
Re: The Emerald Tablets 157 Martin Stower 20-Jul-19 22:41
Re: The Emerald Tablets 172 Barbelo 21-Jul-19 01:01
Re: The Emerald Tablets 152 Martin Stower 22-Jul-19 15:28
Re: The Emerald Tablets 139 Barbelo 22-Jul-19 21:27
Re: Stargate 137 GramPong 19-Jul-19 22:15
Re: Stargate 156 Barbelo 19-Jul-19 23:02
Re: Stargate 163 GramPong 20-Jul-19 02:01
Re: Stargate 158 Barbelo 20-Jul-19 02:21
Re: Stargate 173 Merrell 20-Jul-19 08:45
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Re: Stargate 186 Merrell 19-Jul-19 11:46
Re: Ancient History Examination 1: Annunaki 236 Martin Stower 17-Jul-19 21:34
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