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Wow, you bring up a loaded topic. I may have a foot in both camps, but not completely in either. I have a chemistry degree but now work in medical IT and so I am trained to use that type of logic and problem solving. But I often find myself irate with mainstream "skeptics" because I think they misuse logic towards their own ends. But then again I also get frustrated with people at the other end of the spectrum who dismiss logic entirely.

There is a reasonable principle which states that that which is not true is false. However, I feel that skeptics misrepresent this principle as that which is not _proven_ true is necessarily false, and I find that disagreeable.

In comp sci there is a third state of logic which is "unknown." But I tend to believe that there are at least five states of logic:

Provably True
Unproven yet supported by evidence
Unknown and unprovable
Unproven yet negatively unsupported by evidence
Provably False

Your "mainstream" folks may not accept that the middle three states of logic that I propose even exist. Alternatively, I think that "alternative" thinkers spend most of their time there. Edit:Not implying that is a bad thing.

--Andy



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12-Jul-19 11:47 by AndyBlackard.

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Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 2022 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 02:13
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 343 cladking 05-Jul-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 333 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 17:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 326 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 306 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 05:04
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 312 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:11
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 312 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 312 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:12
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 291 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:27
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 327 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 09:52
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 323 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 15:46
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 294 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 299 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 17:25
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 296 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 287 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 300 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 291 Susan Doris 07-Jul-19 16:30
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 302 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:56
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 292 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 316 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:42
The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 298 drrayeye 08-Jul-19 22:26
Re: The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 316 Eddie Larry 09-Jul-19 00:55
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 282 cladking 07-Jul-19 17:42
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 266 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 270 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:12
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 344 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 10:21
Gossip 302 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:46
Troll 322 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 18:54
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An explanation in "Cowboy" 325 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:42
Other times, I poke the dog with a stick. 281 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:15
Not at all, Ray 346 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 07:19
Matt's rules 291 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 07:52
Ray gets schooled 366 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 11:31
Ho Ho Ho 302 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 14:12
Re: Ray gets schooled 294 Martin Stower 11-Jul-19 21:10
Fighting "trolls" in Texas 289 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:09
Re: Gossip 272 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:15
The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 287 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 07:07
Don't worry, Pancho 300 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 08:04
Grovel. Grovel. 280 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 10:54
Re: The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 281 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 11:35
Getting an "innocent" to take the bait 310 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 20:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 296 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:09
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 280 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 07:04
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Unfortunately 291 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 17:52
Re: Unfortunately 280 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 00:09
Level 3 290 drrayeye 12-Jul-19 00:48
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Australian jargon 300 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:39
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Re: Australian jargon 293 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 23:58
Thanks 302 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:12
Re: Australian jargon 275 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:00
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um 286 Warwick 11-Jul-19 17:01
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