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KsFisher Wrote:
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> I find proposing alternative ideas rather futile
> regardless of evidentiary support and/or
> reasoning. Mainstream directives too easily
> nullify testing of a formulated hypotheses. It's
> the sampling of multiple perspectives that I'd
> hoped to aquire through intelligent discussion.
> However, if the idea itself is alternative to a
> flawed mainstream understanding then it becomes
> "supernatural and paranormal" rather than a
> serious topic for discussion.
> I became a member here because I associated the
> name with a less than dogmatic belief of the
> untested and unfounded mainstream hypotheses. If I
> cannot present supportive evidence nor aquire
> thoughtful engagement then I can only assume
> qualification to be a matter of hierarchy
> approval. Much the same as it is with
> archaeological exploration and discovery.
> Likely a bit off the posts intended design but
> any opportunity to slip a personal observation
> under a nose or two...

Almost all supporters of mainstream positions don't want to argue fact or logic but rather to show us where our theories differ from their "reality". In many cases the depth of their knowledge is almost nonexistent. They don't know how or why mainstream opinion evolved as it did, they merely know what is in agreement. Even when they do know how opinion arose as it did they often can't see the underlying facts and logic from any perspective other than an orthodox one. Instead of argument or discussion of the actual facts, physical evidence, and logic they want to provide ready made conclusions based on centuries of assumption and hard work following in the footsteps of the greats. Anyone who doesn't toe this line and follow the same narrow path is a heretic, fool, or just ignorant. So they want to help us.

Then as alts we often make the exact same mistakes. We get so caught up in our own beliefs and theories that we can be blind not only to the gentle nudgings of mainstreamers but the thinking of other alts. We all tend to talk right past one another.

The biggest problem on this and most sites is that those who believe in mainstream assumptions will gang up on those who won't accept them. It's very difficult to help the victims of ad hominin attacks because there is no meat in the attacks; just insults. It's not "you're a fool for believing if A is true then it follows B is as well.". It's just "you're a fool and your momma too".

I can't help but believe this has always been the case. Now we have nice threads presented as trees and we can go back and see where we do it. We have anonymity which invites many to be rude, condescending, or arrogant.

This is probably all just part of the nature of our language since we each see all of reality in terms of our beliefs. We even see opposing arguments not in the terms and meaning in which they were presented but in terms of what we already "know" (believe). So we tend to address where the other guy went wrong if we ever understand him at all. Nothing "wants" to change because there are always going to be lots of proponents of "reality" and very very few who will challenge it while being insulted by most. If not for the fact that the "holy trinity" (Knowledge > Creation > Understanding) has always been real the last couple centuries of high technology and advancement couldn't have happened. It was easy to burn the witch when the best the witch could do was to sometimes cure a leper or love struck teen but when the witch can stick vacuum tubes together to win a war or create a new world then they get a little more leeway.

It seems there is as much ossification in thought as even in the "new kingdom" but now days we no longer burn the witches or bury our priests of science in tiny little pyramids.

The alts need to "hang in there" and the "pod folk" could try a little harder to address their arguments. We could al;l try a lot harder to understand one another and this might start with the alts. It's difficult to present ideas not founded in orthodoxy and we get a little sloppy saying what we mean.

Thanks for your post. Much of it resonates with me.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 2045 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 02:13
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 453 cladking 05-Jul-19 03:29
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 397 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 04:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 423 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 05:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 373 engbren 05-Jul-19 12:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 341 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 340 engbren 08-Jul-19 13:54
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 362 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 14:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 357 cladking 05-Jul-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 347 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 17:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 340 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 319 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 05:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 330 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 05:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 356 Aine 05-Jul-19 18:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 325 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 310 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 325 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 325 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 337 Aine 06-Jul-19 20:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 316 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 295 Aine 07-Jul-19 00:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 347 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 303 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 290 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 279 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 298 Aine 10-Jul-19 01:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 289 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:00
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 341 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 09:52
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 336 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 15:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 305 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 307 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 312 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 17:25
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 309 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 300 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 312 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 311 Susan Doris 07-Jul-19 16:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 300 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 320 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 310 Susan Doris 08-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 287 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 320 drrayeye 06-Jul-19 18:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 330 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 16:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 315 cladking 07-Jul-19 16:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 305 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 329 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:42
The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 311 drrayeye 08-Jul-19 22:26
Re: The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 329 Eddie Larry 09-Jul-19 00:55
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 295 cladking 07-Jul-19 17:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 324 Thanos5150 08-Jul-19 01:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 338 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-19 21:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 310 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 15:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 311 Susan Doris 09-Jul-19 16:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 289 Thanos5150 10-Jul-19 00:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 346 eyeofhorus33 09-Jul-19 20:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 294 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 315 engbren 10-Jul-19 08:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 300 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:14
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 299 engbren 02-Aug-19 09:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 311 Thanos5150 02-Aug-19 14:36
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 283 engbren 02-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 349 Thanos5150 03-Aug-19 14:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 281 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 396 Jgeeta 08-Jul-19 02:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 328 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:28
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 339 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 314 cladking 09-Jul-19 13:08
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 315 KsFisher 09-Jul-19 19:49
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 282 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 283 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 341 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 04:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 369 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:15
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 301 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 06:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 357 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 10:21
Gossip 315 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:46
Troll 335 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 18:54
Re: Troll 311 Sirfiroth 10-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Troll 352 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 19:08
An explanation in "Cowboy" 340 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:42
Other times, I poke the dog with a stick. 294 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:15
Not at all, Ray 363 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 07:19
Matt's rules 304 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 07:52
Ray gets schooled 386 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 11:31
Ho Ho Ho 315 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 14:12
Re: Ray gets schooled 307 Martin Stower 11-Jul-19 21:10
Fighting "trolls" in Texas 303 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:09
Re: Gossip 285 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:15
The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 300 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 07:07
Don't worry, Pancho 313 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 08:04
Grovel. Grovel. 293 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 10:54
Re: The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 294 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 11:35
Getting an "innocent" to take the bait 323 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 20:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 309 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:09
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 291 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 324 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 293 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 07:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 284 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 15:37
Unfortunately 307 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 17:52
Re: Unfortunately 293 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 00:09
Level 3 303 drrayeye 12-Jul-19 00:48
Re: Unfortunately 279 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 15:06
Re: Unfortunately 318 cladking 12-Jul-19 17:10
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 322 kborissov 12-Jul-19 02:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 312 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 02:59
Australian jargon 313 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:39
Re: Australian jargon 338 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Australian jargon 296 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:20
Re: Australian jargon 306 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 23:58
Thanks 315 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:12
Re: Australian jargon 287 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:00
Re: Australian jargon 323 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 01:47
Re: Australian jargon 335 cladking 11-Jul-19 02:44
Re: Australian jargon 310 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 03:58
Re: Australian jargon 323 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 04:02
Re: Australian jargon 296 cladking 11-Jul-19 04:22
Re: Australian jargon 312 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 04:50
Re: Australian jargon 310 cladking 11-Jul-19 14:31
Re: Australian jargon 310 Warwick 11-Jul-19 15:31
Re: Australian jargon 293 cladking 11-Jul-19 15:57
um 299 Warwick 11-Jul-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 318 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 314 cloister 11-Jul-19 13:32
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 295 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 14:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 309 cloister 12-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 363 Thanos5150 13-Jul-19 01:33
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 331 AndyBlackard 11-Jul-19 19:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 288 Eddie Larry 11-Jul-19 19:47
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 315 Warwick 11-Jul-19 19:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 339 Dejus 12-Jul-19 11:20
the Dinosaur destroyer 579 hendrik dirker 12-Jul-19 15:02
Re: the Dinosaur destroyer 443 Robert Jameson 14-Sep-19 13:35


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