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KsFisher Wrote:
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> I find proposing alternative ideas rather futile
> regardless of evidentiary support and/or
> reasoning. Mainstream directives too easily
> nullify testing of a formulated hypotheses. It's
> the sampling of multiple perspectives that I'd
> hoped to aquire through intelligent discussion.
> However, if the idea itself is alternative to a
> flawed mainstream understanding then it becomes
> "supernatural and paranormal" rather than a
> serious topic for discussion.
> I became a member here because I associated the
> name with a less than dogmatic belief of the
> untested and unfounded mainstream hypotheses. If I
> cannot present supportive evidence nor aquire
> thoughtful engagement then I can only assume
> qualification to be a matter of hierarchy
> approval. Much the same as it is with
> archaeological exploration and discovery.
> Likely a bit off the posts intended design but
> any opportunity to slip a personal observation
> under a nose or two...

Almost all supporters of mainstream positions don't want to argue fact or logic but rather to show us where our theories differ from their "reality". In many cases the depth of their knowledge is almost nonexistent. They don't know how or why mainstream opinion evolved as it did, they merely know what is in agreement. Even when they do know how opinion arose as it did they often can't see the underlying facts and logic from any perspective other than an orthodox one. Instead of argument or discussion of the actual facts, physical evidence, and logic they want to provide ready made conclusions based on centuries of assumption and hard work following in the footsteps of the greats. Anyone who doesn't toe this line and follow the same narrow path is a heretic, fool, or just ignorant. So they want to help us.

Then as alts we often make the exact same mistakes. We get so caught up in our own beliefs and theories that we can be blind not only to the gentle nudgings of mainstreamers but the thinking of other alts. We all tend to talk right past one another.

The biggest problem on this and most sites is that those who believe in mainstream assumptions will gang up on those who won't accept them. It's very difficult to help the victims of ad hominin attacks because there is no meat in the attacks; just insults. It's not "you're a fool for believing if A is true then it follows B is as well.". It's just "you're a fool and your momma too".

I can't help but believe this has always been the case. Now we have nice threads presented as trees and we can go back and see where we do it. We have anonymity which invites many to be rude, condescending, or arrogant.

This is probably all just part of the nature of our language since we each see all of reality in terms of our beliefs. We even see opposing arguments not in the terms and meaning in which they were presented but in terms of what we already "know" (believe). So we tend to address where the other guy went wrong if we ever understand him at all. Nothing "wants" to change because there are always going to be lots of proponents of "reality" and very very few who will challenge it while being insulted by most. If not for the fact that the "holy trinity" (Knowledge > Creation > Understanding) has always been real the last couple centuries of high technology and advancement couldn't have happened. It was easy to burn the witch when the best the witch could do was to sometimes cure a leper or love struck teen but when the witch can stick vacuum tubes together to win a war or create a new world then they get a little more leeway.

It seems there is as much ossification in thought as even in the "new kingdom" but now days we no longer burn the witches or bury our priests of science in tiny little pyramids.

The alts need to "hang in there" and the "pod folk" could try a little harder to address their arguments. We could al;l try a lot harder to understand one another and this might start with the alts. It's difficult to present ideas not founded in orthodoxy and we get a little sloppy saying what we mean.

Thanks for your post. Much of it resonates with me.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 1868 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 02:13
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 348 cladking 05-Jul-19 03:29
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 299 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 04:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 324 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 05:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 276 engbren 05-Jul-19 12:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 241 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 231 engbren 08-Jul-19 13:54
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 261 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 14:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 253 cladking 05-Jul-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 249 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 17:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 236 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 221 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 05:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 223 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 05:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 249 Aine 05-Jul-19 18:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 223 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 209 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 218 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 226 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 233 Aine 06-Jul-19 20:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 217 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 194 Aine 07-Jul-19 00:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 245 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 203 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 188 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 179 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 188 Aine 10-Jul-19 01:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 191 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:00
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 232 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 09:52
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 229 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 15:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 203 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 209 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 215 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 17:25
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 204 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 202 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 215 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 206 Susan Doris 07-Jul-19 16:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 202 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 210 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 212 Susan Doris 08-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 185 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 215 drrayeye 06-Jul-19 18:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 225 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 16:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 216 cladking 07-Jul-19 16:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 204 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 221 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:42
The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 210 drrayeye 08-Jul-19 22:26
Re: The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 224 Eddie Larry 09-Jul-19 00:55
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 195 cladking 07-Jul-19 17:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 222 Thanos5150 08-Jul-19 01:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 234 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-19 21:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 208 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 15:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 204 Susan Doris 09-Jul-19 16:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 188 Thanos5150 10-Jul-19 00:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 241 eyeofhorus33 09-Jul-19 20:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 191 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 207 engbren 10-Jul-19 08:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 197 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:14
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 200 engbren 02-Aug-19 09:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 211 Thanos5150 02-Aug-19 14:36
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 182 engbren 02-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 236 Thanos5150 03-Aug-19 14:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 180 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 299 Jgeeta 08-Jul-19 02:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 217 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:28
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 225 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 207 cladking 09-Jul-19 13:08
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 210 KsFisher 09-Jul-19 19:49
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 180 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 183 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 234 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 04:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 264 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:15
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 199 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 06:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 253 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 10:21
Gossip 216 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:46
Troll 232 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 18:54
Re: Troll 212 Sirfiroth 10-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Troll 245 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 19:08
An explanation in "Cowboy" 233 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:42
Other times, I poke the dog with a stick. 198 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:15
Not at all, Ray 242 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 07:19
Matt's rules 200 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 07:52
Ray gets schooled 259 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 11:31
Ho Ho Ho 213 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 14:12
Re: Ray gets schooled 206 Martin Stower 11-Jul-19 21:10
Fighting "trolls" in Texas 203 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:09
Re: Gossip 189 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:15
The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 201 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 07:07
Don't worry, Pancho 211 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 08:04
Grovel. Grovel. 194 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 10:54
Re: The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 193 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 11:35
Getting an "innocent" to take the bait 217 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 20:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 209 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:09
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 195 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 214 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 198 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 07:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 182 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 15:37
Unfortunately 202 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 17:52
Re: Unfortunately 192 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 00:09
Level 3 202 drrayeye 12-Jul-19 00:48
Re: Unfortunately 181 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 15:06
Re: Unfortunately 216 cladking 12-Jul-19 17:10
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 215 kborissov 12-Jul-19 02:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 210 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 02:59
Australian jargon 210 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:39
Re: Australian jargon 233 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Australian jargon 197 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:20
Re: Australian jargon 205 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 23:58
Thanks 215 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:12
Re: Australian jargon 192 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:00
Re: Australian jargon 224 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 01:47
Re: Australian jargon 237 cladking 11-Jul-19 02:44
Re: Australian jargon 211 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 03:58
Re: Australian jargon 217 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 04:02
Re: Australian jargon 194 cladking 11-Jul-19 04:22
Re: Australian jargon 214 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 04:50
Re: Australian jargon 191 cladking 11-Jul-19 14:31
Re: Australian jargon 206 Warwick 11-Jul-19 15:31
Re: Australian jargon 196 cladking 11-Jul-19 15:57
um 198 Warwick 11-Jul-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 220 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 208 cloister 11-Jul-19 13:32
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 194 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 14:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 211 cloister 12-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 254 Thanos5150 13-Jul-19 01:33
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 228 AndyBlackard 11-Jul-19 19:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 188 Eddie Larry 11-Jul-19 19:47
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 212 Warwick 11-Jul-19 19:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 229 Dejus 12-Jul-19 11:20
the Dinosaur destroyer 374 hendrik dirker 12-Jul-19 15:02
Re: the Dinosaur destroyer 303 Robert Jameson 14-Sep-19 13:35


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