> I find proposing alternative ideas rather futile
> regardless of evidentiary support and/or
> reasoning. Mainstream directives too easily
> nullify testing of a formulated hypotheses. It's
> the sampling of multiple perspectives that I'd
> hoped to aquire through intelligent discussion.
> However, if the idea itself is alternative to a
> flawed mainstream understanding then it becomes
> "supernatural and paranormal" rather than a
> serious topic for discussion.
> I became a member here because I associated the
> name with a less than dogmatic belief of the
> untested and unfounded mainstream hypotheses. If I
> cannot present supportive evidence nor aquire
> thoughtful engagement then I can only assume
> qualification to be a matter of hierarchy
> approval. Much the same as it is with
> archaeological exploration and discovery.
> Likely a bit off the posts intended design but
> any opportunity to slip a personal observation
> under a nose or two...
Almost all supporters of mainstream positions don't want to argue fact or logic but rather to show us where our theories differ from their "reality". In many cases the depth of their knowledge is almost nonexistent. They don't know how or why mainstream opinion evolved as it did, they merely know what is in agreement. Even when they do know how opinion arose as it did they often can't see the underlying facts and logic from any perspective other than an orthodox one. Instead of argument or discussion of the actual facts, physical evidence, and logic they want to provide ready made conclusions based on centuries of assumption and hard work following in the footsteps of the greats. Anyone who doesn't toe this line and follow the same narrow path is a heretic, fool, or just ignorant. So they want to help us.
Then as alts we often make the exact same mistakes. We get so caught up in our own beliefs and theories that we can be blind not only to the gentle nudgings of mainstreamers but the thinking of other alts. We all tend to talk right past one another.
The biggest problem on this and most sites is that those who believe in mainstream assumptions will gang up on those who won't accept them. It's very difficult to help the victims of ad hominin attacks because there is no meat in the attacks; just insults. It's not "you're a fool for believing if A is true then it follows B is as well.". It's just "you're a fool and your momma too".
I can't help but believe this has always been the case. Now we have nice threads presented as trees and we can go back and see where we do it. We have anonymity which invites many to be rude, condescending, or arrogant.
This is probably all just part of the nature of our language since we each see all of reality in terms of our beliefs. We even see opposing arguments not in the terms and meaning in which they were presented but in terms of what we already "know" (believe). So we tend to address where the other guy went wrong if we ever understand him at all. Nothing "wants" to change because there are always going to be lots of proponents of "reality" and very very few who will challenge it while being insulted by most. If not for the fact that the "holy trinity" (Knowledge > Creation > Understanding) has always been real the last couple centuries of high technology and advancement couldn't have happened. It was easy to burn the witch when the best the witch could do was to sometimes cure a leper or love struck teen but when the witch can stick vacuum tubes together to win a war or create a new world then they get a little more leeway.
It seems there is as much ossification in thought as even in the "new kingdom" but now days we no longer burn the witches or bury our priests of science in tiny little pyramids.
The alts need to "hang in there" and the "pod folk" could try a little harder to address their arguments. We could al;l try a lot harder to understand one another and this might start with the alts. It's difficult to present ideas not founded in orthodoxy and we get a little sloppy saying what we mean.
Thanks for your post. Much of it resonates with me.