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Ray: The big difference I see, after following
> developments for 20 years or so is that so many of
> the contributors are really lacking in appropriate
> training in basic science and philosophy.

Lee: This is not a prerequisite and when needed they can/should easily defer to others.

Ray: The big advantage of the university environment is the opportunity for both direct contact and nearly instantaneous feedback from others with similar interests--from all over the world. There are opportunities for visits to laboratories or field sites--small group presentations--face to face encounters in seminars and/or over dinner. One learns to be a part of a collaborating team rather than a "lone wolf," and gets access to financial and technical support. Through personal contacts established this way, one learns how and where to get published: even gets invited.

The outsider remains the outsider--never meets knowledgeable collaborators--never obtains adequate support (or even a knowledgeable audience. The lone wolf doesn't even know what he doesn't know. Doesn't take long to develop a chip on his shoulder.

> So they
> do it wrong--but don't understand why their
> contribution has not been widely accepted.

Lee: Can you give specific examples?

Ray: Here's one.

A common topic of interest at GHMB is whether or not Global Warming is leading to climate change (a scientific question)--and whether or not countermeasures related to the burning of fossil fuels could reduce potential harm to the global environment (social-economic question). The knowledge base to explore the scientific question requires learning how to gather and organize temperature data from the terrestrial and aquatic land--gathered onsite or by satellite--locally, nationally, and globally. The academic skills include knowledge of research design, statistical analysis, and computer information processing. If one is to perfect such skills, one must practice on real or simulated data, which may involve some sort of traineeship with NASA or the NOAA, and some volunteer work with the IPCC.

Once one develops real academic skills associated with field work, further paying opportunities may emerge to work on the science question, and one may get drawn into the social-economic questions out of personal interests.

The lone wolf, without the academic and field skills, might rely on published studies and popular articles to draw strong inferences about the social economic questions--without any real knowledge of research methods, statistical analyses, or computer information processing involved in the studies or reports. The Wolf may feel that those with such skills are biased since those with advanced skills are getting paid to collect and analyze the data--leading to climate change debates with the university trained professional.

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Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 2008 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 02:13
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 431 cladking 05-Jul-19 03:29
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 375 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 04:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 400 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 05:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 351 engbren 05-Jul-19 12:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 319 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 317 engbren 08-Jul-19 13:54
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 340 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 14:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 334 cladking 05-Jul-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 324 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 17:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 317 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 297 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 05:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 308 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 05:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 333 Aine 05-Jul-19 18:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 303 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 288 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 303 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 303 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 314 Aine 06-Jul-19 20:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 294 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 273 Aine 07-Jul-19 00:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 324 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 282 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 268 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 257 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 270 Aine 10-Jul-19 01:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 266 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:00
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 318 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 09:52
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 314 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 15:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 282 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 286 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 290 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 17:25
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 287 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 278 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 292 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 282 Susan Doris 07-Jul-19 16:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 278 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 294 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 288 Susan Doris 08-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 265 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 289 drrayeye 06-Jul-19 18:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 308 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 16:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 293 cladking 07-Jul-19 16:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 283 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 307 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:42
The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 289 drrayeye 08-Jul-19 22:26
Re: The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 306 Eddie Larry 09-Jul-19 00:55
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 273 cladking 07-Jul-19 17:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 302 Thanos5150 08-Jul-19 01:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 316 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-19 21:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 288 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 15:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 285 Susan Doris 09-Jul-19 16:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 267 Thanos5150 10-Jul-19 00:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 324 eyeofhorus33 09-Jul-19 20:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 271 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 290 engbren 10-Jul-19 08:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 278 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:14
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 278 engbren 02-Aug-19 09:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 288 Thanos5150 02-Aug-19 14:36
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 261 engbren 02-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 321 Thanos5150 03-Aug-19 14:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 258 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 374 Jgeeta 08-Jul-19 02:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 300 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:28
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 312 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 293 cladking 09-Jul-19 13:08
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 291 KsFisher 09-Jul-19 19:49
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 257 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 261 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 318 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 04:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 347 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:15
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 279 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 06:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 335 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 10:21
Gossip 293 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:46
Troll 313 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 18:54
Re: Troll 289 Sirfiroth 10-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Troll 331 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 19:08
An explanation in "Cowboy" 315 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:42
Other times, I poke the dog with a stick. 272 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:15
Not at all, Ray 336 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 07:19
Matt's rules 282 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 07:52
Ray gets schooled 356 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 11:31
Ho Ho Ho 293 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 14:12
Re: Ray gets schooled 285 Martin Stower 11-Jul-19 21:10
Fighting "trolls" in Texas 281 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:09
Re: Gossip 263 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:15
The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 278 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 07:07
Don't worry, Pancho 291 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 08:04
Grovel. Grovel. 271 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 10:54
Re: The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 272 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 11:35
Getting an "innocent" to take the bait 301 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 20:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 287 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:09
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 269 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 301 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 271 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 07:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 262 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 15:37
Unfortunately 282 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 17:52
Re: Unfortunately 271 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 00:09
Level 3 281 drrayeye 12-Jul-19 00:48
Re: Unfortunately 257 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 15:06
Re: Unfortunately 296 cladking 12-Jul-19 17:10
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 296 kborissov 12-Jul-19 02:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 290 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 02:59
Australian jargon 291 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:39
Re: Australian jargon 316 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Australian jargon 274 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:20
Re: Australian jargon 284 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 23:58
Thanks 293 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:12
Re: Australian jargon 266 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:00
Re: Australian jargon 301 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 01:47
Re: Australian jargon 312 cladking 11-Jul-19 02:44
Re: Australian jargon 288 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 03:58
Re: Australian jargon 302 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 04:02
Re: Australian jargon 275 cladking 11-Jul-19 04:22
Re: Australian jargon 290 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 04:50
Re: Australian jargon 287 cladking 11-Jul-19 14:31
Re: Australian jargon 288 Warwick 11-Jul-19 15:31
Re: Australian jargon 270 cladking 11-Jul-19 15:57
um 277 Warwick 11-Jul-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 297 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 291 cloister 11-Jul-19 13:32
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 274 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 14:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 286 cloister 12-Jul-19 19:03
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