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Ray: The big difference I see, after following
> developments for 20 years or so is that so many of
> the contributors are really lacking in appropriate
> training in basic science and philosophy.

Lee: This is not a prerequisite and when needed they can/should easily defer to others.

Ray: The big advantage of the university environment is the opportunity for both direct contact and nearly instantaneous feedback from others with similar interests--from all over the world. There are opportunities for visits to laboratories or field sites--small group presentations--face to face encounters in seminars and/or over dinner. One learns to be a part of a collaborating team rather than a "lone wolf," and gets access to financial and technical support. Through personal contacts established this way, one learns how and where to get published: even gets invited.

The outsider remains the outsider--never meets knowledgeable collaborators--never obtains adequate support (or even a knowledgeable audience. The lone wolf doesn't even know what he doesn't know. Doesn't take long to develop a chip on his shoulder.

> So they
> do it wrong--but don't understand why their
> contribution has not been widely accepted.

Lee: Can you give specific examples?

Ray: Here's one.

A common topic of interest at GHMB is whether or not Global Warming is leading to climate change (a scientific question)--and whether or not countermeasures related to the burning of fossil fuels could reduce potential harm to the global environment (social-economic question). The knowledge base to explore the scientific question requires learning how to gather and organize temperature data from the terrestrial and aquatic land--gathered onsite or by satellite--locally, nationally, and globally. The academic skills include knowledge of research design, statistical analysis, and computer information processing. If one is to perfect such skills, one must practice on real or simulated data, which may involve some sort of traineeship with NASA or the NOAA, and some volunteer work with the IPCC.

Once one develops real academic skills associated with field work, further paying opportunities may emerge to work on the science question, and one may get drawn into the social-economic questions out of personal interests.

The lone wolf, without the academic and field skills, might rely on published studies and popular articles to draw strong inferences about the social economic questions--without any real knowledge of research methods, statistical analyses, or computer information processing involved in the studies or reports. The Wolf may feel that those with such skills are biased since those with advanced skills are getting paid to collect and analyze the data--leading to climate change debates with the university trained professional.

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Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 1868 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 02:13
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 348 cladking 05-Jul-19 03:29
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 299 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 04:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 324 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 05:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 276 engbren 05-Jul-19 12:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 241 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 231 engbren 08-Jul-19 13:54
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 261 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 14:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 253 cladking 05-Jul-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 249 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 17:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 236 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 221 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 05:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 223 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 05:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 249 Aine 05-Jul-19 18:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 223 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 209 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 218 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 225 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 233 Aine 06-Jul-19 20:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 217 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:06
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 245 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 203 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 188 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 179 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 188 Aine 10-Jul-19 01:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 191 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:00
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 232 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 09:52
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 229 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 15:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 203 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 209 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 215 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 17:25
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 204 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 202 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 215 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 206 Susan Doris 07-Jul-19 16:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 202 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 210 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 212 Susan Doris 08-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 185 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 215 drrayeye 06-Jul-19 18:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 225 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 16:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 216 cladking 07-Jul-19 16:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 204 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 221 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:42
The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 209 drrayeye 08-Jul-19 22:26
Re: The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 224 Eddie Larry 09-Jul-19 00:55
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 195 cladking 07-Jul-19 17:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 222 Thanos5150 08-Jul-19 01:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 234 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-19 21:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 208 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 15:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 204 Susan Doris 09-Jul-19 16:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 188 Thanos5150 10-Jul-19 00:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 241 eyeofhorus33 09-Jul-19 20:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 191 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 207 engbren 10-Jul-19 08:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 197 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:14
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 200 engbren 02-Aug-19 09:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 211 Thanos5150 02-Aug-19 14:36
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 182 engbren 02-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 236 Thanos5150 03-Aug-19 14:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 180 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 299 Jgeeta 08-Jul-19 02:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 217 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:28
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 225 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 207 cladking 09-Jul-19 13:08
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 210 KsFisher 09-Jul-19 19:49
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 180 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 183 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 234 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 04:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 264 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:15
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 199 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 06:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 253 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 10:21
Gossip 216 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:46
Troll 232 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 18:54
Re: Troll 212 Sirfiroth 10-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Troll 245 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 19:08
An explanation in "Cowboy" 233 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:42
Other times, I poke the dog with a stick. 198 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:15
Not at all, Ray 242 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 07:19
Matt's rules 200 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 07:52
Ray gets schooled 259 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 11:31
Ho Ho Ho 213 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 14:12
Re: Ray gets schooled 206 Martin Stower 11-Jul-19 21:10
Fighting "trolls" in Texas 203 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:09
Re: Gossip 189 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:15
The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 201 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 07:07
Don't worry, Pancho 211 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 08:04
Grovel. Grovel. 194 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 10:54
Re: The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 193 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 11:35
Getting an "innocent" to take the bait 217 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 20:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 209 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:09
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 195 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 214 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 198 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 07:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 182 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 15:37
Unfortunately 202 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 17:52
Re: Unfortunately 192 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 00:09
Level 3 202 drrayeye 12-Jul-19 00:48
Re: Unfortunately 181 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 15:06
Re: Unfortunately 216 cladking 12-Jul-19 17:10
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 215 kborissov 12-Jul-19 02:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 210 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 02:59
Australian jargon 210 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:39
Re: Australian jargon 233 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Australian jargon 196 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:20
Re: Australian jargon 205 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 23:58
Thanks 215 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:12
Re: Australian jargon 192 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:00
Re: Australian jargon 224 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 01:47
Re: Australian jargon 237 cladking 11-Jul-19 02:44
Re: Australian jargon 211 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 03:58
Re: Australian jargon 217 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 04:02
Re: Australian jargon 194 cladking 11-Jul-19 04:22
Re: Australian jargon 214 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 04:50
Re: Australian jargon 191 cladking 11-Jul-19 14:31
Re: Australian jargon 206 Warwick 11-Jul-19 15:31
Re: Australian jargon 196 cladking 11-Jul-19 15:57
um 197 Warwick 11-Jul-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 220 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 208 cloister 11-Jul-19 13:32
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 194 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 14:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 211 cloister 12-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 254 Thanos5150 13-Jul-19 01:33
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 228 AndyBlackard 11-Jul-19 19:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 188 Eddie Larry 11-Jul-19 19:47
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 212 Warwick 11-Jul-19 19:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 229 Dejus 12-Jul-19 11:20
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