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Aine Wrote:
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> Oh, where to start? LOL
>
> I do believe that some disaster struck Earth
> around the end of the Ice Age, one that had
> far-reaching effects on our ancestors. A comet, a
> gamma ray burst, something that wiped out
> civilization, upset the climate and even
> topography, and spurred massive migrations as
> people did the best they could to survive.

The evidence seems to only be piling up to support this conclusion.

> I think
> that many of the myths that have come down to us
> are truly ancient--but unfortunately we have no
> way to date or cross-date them as yet.

I am skeptical of this though there are some, like aboriginal myths, that are curious. On balance I find it hard to accept myths were transmitted for several thousand years before the advent of writing, but I keep an open mind.

> As the dates for civilization get pushed back
> further and further, my hope is that they someday
> turn up an Ice Age civilization from remote
> antiquity. IMO the roots of what we now consider
> the beginnings of civilization began there, long
> before archaeologists and anthropologists are
> willing to admit or even consider.

As I have said, the existence of Gobekli Tepe all but assures this. This is not just one site, but several, and they are the most sophisticated at their very beginnings. Common sense dictates this was the culmination of a long period of development of which evidence of this predating GT is just waiting to be found.

> The end of the Ice Age was devastating to cultures
> around the world. If we're going to find evidence
> of their existence, we need to do some serious
> looking in the places that were above water 20,000
> or more years ago. We also need to dispense with
> the fairy tale that the Americas were unpopulated
> prior to 13,000 or so years ago. (Clovis First is
> alive and well, unfortunately.)

Times are a changing though.

> There is plenty of
> evidence that that's simply not true. I live 30
> miles from Meadowcroft and I know it isn't. And if
> people were in this part of the world that early,
> there is a two pronged dilemma: at the rate
> archaeologists claim people move, there have been
> people in the Americas for many tens of thousands
> of years and/or they didn't ONLY walk across the
> Bering Strait. There were other points of entry
> and other means of travel.

Like boats.

> Along with that, our ancestors were not dumb
> cavemen. It's past time we gave them credit for
> their intelligence and curiosity.
>
> I have a difficult time believing that AMH didn't
> advance at all culturally for over 100,000 years.
> It defies reason.

I accept it because to me "AMH" is a misnomer as in reality what is found prior to c. 50,000BP is not exactly one and the same as what is found after, namely the shape of the skull is different. I go into detail HERE.

> We're nothing if not curious and
> inventive. The ice sheets would limit their
> incursion into certain regions, but some places
> were quite pleasant and they could actually live
> near the glaciers comfortably. With so much water
> tied up in the ice sheets and so much more land
> exposed, there would have been places they could
> have settled year round.

The Mediterranean would have been a lovely place....

> A lot of our mythology and folklore reflects real
> events. Just because we don't have the proper
> context in which to place them doesn't mean they
> didn't happen or are just fanciful superstition.

I agree, but the question for me is when exactly are they talking about. The flood myths, for example, I have argued the case are not reffering to the end of the Ice Age, but rather a series of events that took place c.6,000BC.

> Either that or some of what was considered fringe
> 20 years ago is moving into the mainstream. Other
> than the idea that Antarctica was once the scene
> of a great civilization, I always thought GH's
> ideas weren't all that far from mainstream. At the
> time I thought he was asking questions that the
> archaeologists should have been asking.

Agreed.

> The
> hypothesis that there was an Ice Age civilization
> at least on par with Egypt and Mesopotamia is a
> reasonable one and doesn't deserve the scorn
> that's been heaped upon it.

Not so sure about that. Among other reasons against this, there is a quantum leap between the cultures of Dynastic Egypt and Mesopotamia with that of Gobekli Tepe. This is not where I started, I was all in on the idea, but after 25yrs of research and travelling the world, I have come to terms with the fact it is not likely this was the case.

> I still haven't read Magicians but I do want to
> read America Before.

Someday I'll get around to it but my enthusiasm level is low.



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Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 2008 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 02:13
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 431 cladking 05-Jul-19 03:29
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 375 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 04:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 400 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 05:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 351 engbren 05-Jul-19 12:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 319 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 317 engbren 08-Jul-19 13:54
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 340 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 14:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 334 cladking 05-Jul-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 324 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 17:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 317 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 297 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 05:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 308 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 05:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 333 Aine 05-Jul-19 18:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 303 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 288 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 303 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 303 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 314 Aine 06-Jul-19 20:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 294 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 273 Aine 07-Jul-19 00:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 324 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 282 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 268 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 257 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 270 Aine 10-Jul-19 01:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 266 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:00
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 318 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 09:52
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 314 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 15:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 282 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 286 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 290 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 17:25
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 287 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 278 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 292 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 282 Susan Doris 07-Jul-19 16:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 278 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 294 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 288 Susan Doris 08-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 265 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 289 drrayeye 06-Jul-19 18:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 308 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 16:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 293 cladking 07-Jul-19 16:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 283 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 307 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:42
The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 290 drrayeye 08-Jul-19 22:26
Re: The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 306 Eddie Larry 09-Jul-19 00:55
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 273 cladking 07-Jul-19 17:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 302 Thanos5150 08-Jul-19 01:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 316 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-19 21:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 288 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 15:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 285 Susan Doris 09-Jul-19 16:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 267 Thanos5150 10-Jul-19 00:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 324 eyeofhorus33 09-Jul-19 20:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 271 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 290 engbren 10-Jul-19 08:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 278 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:14
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 278 engbren 02-Aug-19 09:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 288 Thanos5150 02-Aug-19 14:36
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 261 engbren 02-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 321 Thanos5150 03-Aug-19 14:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 258 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 374 Jgeeta 08-Jul-19 02:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 300 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:28
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 312 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 294 cladking 09-Jul-19 13:08
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 291 KsFisher 09-Jul-19 19:49
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 257 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 261 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 318 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 04:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 347 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:15
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 279 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 06:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 335 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 10:21
Gossip 293 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:46
Troll 313 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 18:54
Re: Troll 289 Sirfiroth 10-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Troll 331 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 19:08
An explanation in "Cowboy" 315 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:42
Other times, I poke the dog with a stick. 272 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:15
Not at all, Ray 336 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 07:19
Matt's rules 282 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 07:52
Ray gets schooled 356 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 11:31
Ho Ho Ho 293 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 14:12
Re: Ray gets schooled 285 Martin Stower 11-Jul-19 21:10
Fighting "trolls" in Texas 281 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:09
Re: Gossip 263 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:15
The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 278 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 07:07
Don't worry, Pancho 291 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 08:04
Grovel. Grovel. 271 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 10:54
Re: The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 272 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 11:35
Getting an "innocent" to take the bait 301 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 20:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 287 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:09
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 269 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 301 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 271 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 07:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 262 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 15:37
Unfortunately 282 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 17:52
Re: Unfortunately 271 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 00:09
Level 3 281 drrayeye 12-Jul-19 00:48
Re: Unfortunately 257 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 15:06
Re: Unfortunately 296 cladking 12-Jul-19 17:10
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 296 kborissov 12-Jul-19 02:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 290 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 02:59
Australian jargon 291 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:39
Re: Australian jargon 316 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Australian jargon 274 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:20
Re: Australian jargon 284 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 23:58
Thanks 293 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:12
Re: Australian jargon 266 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:00
Re: Australian jargon 301 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 01:47
Re: Australian jargon 312 cladking 11-Jul-19 02:44
Re: Australian jargon 288 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 03:58
Re: Australian jargon 302 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 04:02
Re: Australian jargon 275 cladking 11-Jul-19 04:22
Re: Australian jargon 290 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 04:50
Re: Australian jargon 287 cladking 11-Jul-19 14:31
Re: Australian jargon 288 Warwick 11-Jul-19 15:31
Re: Australian jargon 270 cladking 11-Jul-19 15:57
um 277 Warwick 11-Jul-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 297 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 291 cloister 11-Jul-19 13:32
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 274 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 14:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 286 cloister 12-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 340 Thanos5150 13-Jul-19 01:33
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 307 AndyBlackard 11-Jul-19 19:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 268 Eddie Larry 11-Jul-19 19:47
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 293 Warwick 11-Jul-19 19:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 316 Dejus 12-Jul-19 11:20
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