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Aine Wrote:
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> Oh, where to start? LOL
>
> I do believe that some disaster struck Earth
> around the end of the Ice Age, one that had
> far-reaching effects on our ancestors. A comet, a
> gamma ray burst, something that wiped out
> civilization, upset the climate and even
> topography, and spurred massive migrations as
> people did the best they could to survive.

The evidence seems to only be piling up to support this conclusion.

> I think
> that many of the myths that have come down to us
> are truly ancient--but unfortunately we have no
> way to date or cross-date them as yet.

I am skeptical of this though there are some, like aboriginal myths, that are curious. On balance I find it hard to accept myths were transmitted for several thousand years before the advent of writing, but I keep an open mind.

> As the dates for civilization get pushed back
> further and further, my hope is that they someday
> turn up an Ice Age civilization from remote
> antiquity. IMO the roots of what we now consider
> the beginnings of civilization began there, long
> before archaeologists and anthropologists are
> willing to admit or even consider.

As I have said, the existence of Gobekli Tepe all but assures this. This is not just one site, but several, and they are the most sophisticated at their very beginnings. Common sense dictates this was the culmination of a long period of development of which evidence of this predating GT is just waiting to be found.

> The end of the Ice Age was devastating to cultures
> around the world. If we're going to find evidence
> of their existence, we need to do some serious
> looking in the places that were above water 20,000
> or more years ago. We also need to dispense with
> the fairy tale that the Americas were unpopulated
> prior to 13,000 or so years ago. (Clovis First is
> alive and well, unfortunately.)

Times are a changing though.

> There is plenty of
> evidence that that's simply not true. I live 30
> miles from Meadowcroft and I know it isn't. And if
> people were in this part of the world that early,
> there is a two pronged dilemma: at the rate
> archaeologists claim people move, there have been
> people in the Americas for many tens of thousands
> of years and/or they didn't ONLY walk across the
> Bering Strait. There were other points of entry
> and other means of travel.

Like boats.

> Along with that, our ancestors were not dumb
> cavemen. It's past time we gave them credit for
> their intelligence and curiosity.
>
> I have a difficult time believing that AMH didn't
> advance at all culturally for over 100,000 years.
> It defies reason.

I accept it because to me "AMH" is a misnomer as in reality what is found prior to c. 50,000BP is not exactly one and the same as what is found after, namely the shape of the skull is different. I go into detail HERE.

> We're nothing if not curious and
> inventive. The ice sheets would limit their
> incursion into certain regions, but some places
> were quite pleasant and they could actually live
> near the glaciers comfortably. With so much water
> tied up in the ice sheets and so much more land
> exposed, there would have been places they could
> have settled year round.

The Mediterranean would have been a lovely place....

> A lot of our mythology and folklore reflects real
> events. Just because we don't have the proper
> context in which to place them doesn't mean they
> didn't happen or are just fanciful superstition.

I agree, but the question for me is when exactly are they talking about. The flood myths, for example, I have argued the case are not reffering to the end of the Ice Age, but rather a series of events that took place c.6,000BC.

> Either that or some of what was considered fringe
> 20 years ago is moving into the mainstream. Other
> than the idea that Antarctica was once the scene
> of a great civilization, I always thought GH's
> ideas weren't all that far from mainstream. At the
> time I thought he was asking questions that the
> archaeologists should have been asking.

Agreed.

> The
> hypothesis that there was an Ice Age civilization
> at least on par with Egypt and Mesopotamia is a
> reasonable one and doesn't deserve the scorn
> that's been heaped upon it.

Not so sure about that. Among other reasons against this, there is a quantum leap between the cultures of Dynastic Egypt and Mesopotamia with that of Gobekli Tepe. This is not where I started, I was all in on the idea, but after 25yrs of research and travelling the world, I have come to terms with the fact it is not likely this was the case.

> I still haven't read Magicians but I do want to
> read America Before.

Someday I'll get around to it but my enthusiasm level is low.



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Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 1868 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 02:13
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 348 cladking 05-Jul-19 03:29
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 299 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 04:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 324 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 05:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 276 engbren 05-Jul-19 12:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 241 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 231 engbren 08-Jul-19 13:54
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 261 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 14:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 253 cladking 05-Jul-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 249 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 17:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 236 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 221 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 05:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 223 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 05:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 249 Aine 05-Jul-19 18:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 223 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 209 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 218 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 226 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 233 Aine 06-Jul-19 20:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 217 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 194 Aine 07-Jul-19 00:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 245 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 203 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 188 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 179 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 188 Aine 10-Jul-19 01:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 191 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:00
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 232 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 09:52
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 229 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 15:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 203 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 209 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 215 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 17:25
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 204 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 202 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 215 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 206 Susan Doris 07-Jul-19 16:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 202 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 210 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 212 Susan Doris 08-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 185 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 215 drrayeye 06-Jul-19 18:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 225 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 16:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 216 cladking 07-Jul-19 16:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 204 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 221 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:42
The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 210 drrayeye 08-Jul-19 22:26
Re: The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 224 Eddie Larry 09-Jul-19 00:55
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 195 cladking 07-Jul-19 17:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 222 Thanos5150 08-Jul-19 01:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 234 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-19 21:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 208 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 15:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 204 Susan Doris 09-Jul-19 16:45
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 188 Thanos5150 10-Jul-19 00:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 241 eyeofhorus33 09-Jul-19 20:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 191 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 207 engbren 10-Jul-19 08:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 197 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:14
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 200 engbren 02-Aug-19 09:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 211 Thanos5150 02-Aug-19 14:36
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 182 engbren 02-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 236 Thanos5150 03-Aug-19 14:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 180 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 299 Jgeeta 08-Jul-19 02:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 217 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:28
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 225 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 208 cladking 09-Jul-19 13:08
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 210 KsFisher 09-Jul-19 19:49
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 180 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 183 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 234 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 04:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 264 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:15
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 199 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 06:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 253 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 10:21
Gossip 216 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:46
Troll 232 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 18:54
Re: Troll 212 Sirfiroth 10-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Troll 245 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 19:08
An explanation in "Cowboy" 233 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:42
Other times, I poke the dog with a stick. 198 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:15
Not at all, Ray 242 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 07:19
Matt's rules 200 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 07:52
Ray gets schooled 259 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 11:31
Ho Ho Ho 213 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 14:12
Re: Ray gets schooled 206 Martin Stower 11-Jul-19 21:10
Fighting "trolls" in Texas 203 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:09
Re: Gossip 189 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:15
The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 201 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 07:07
Don't worry, Pancho 211 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 08:04
Grovel. Grovel. 194 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 10:54
Re: The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 193 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 11:35
Getting an "innocent" to take the bait 217 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 20:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 209 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:09
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 195 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 214 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 198 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 07:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 182 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 15:37
Unfortunately 202 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 17:52
Re: Unfortunately 192 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 00:09
Level 3 202 drrayeye 12-Jul-19 00:48
Re: Unfortunately 181 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 15:06
Re: Unfortunately 216 cladking 12-Jul-19 17:10
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 215 kborissov 12-Jul-19 02:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 210 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 02:59
Australian jargon 210 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:39
Re: Australian jargon 233 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Australian jargon 197 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:20
Re: Australian jargon 205 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 23:58
Thanks 215 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:12
Re: Australian jargon 192 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:00
Re: Australian jargon 224 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 01:47
Re: Australian jargon 237 cladking 11-Jul-19 02:44
Re: Australian jargon 211 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 03:58
Re: Australian jargon 217 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 04:02
Re: Australian jargon 194 cladking 11-Jul-19 04:22
Re: Australian jargon 214 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 04:50
Re: Australian jargon 191 cladking 11-Jul-19 14:31
Re: Australian jargon 206 Warwick 11-Jul-19 15:31
Re: Australian jargon 196 cladking 11-Jul-19 15:57
um 198 Warwick 11-Jul-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 220 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 208 cloister 11-Jul-19 13:32
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 194 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 14:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 211 cloister 12-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 254 Thanos5150 13-Jul-19 01:33
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 228 AndyBlackard 11-Jul-19 19:40
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 188 Eddie Larry 11-Jul-19 19:47
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 212 Warwick 11-Jul-19 19:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 229 Dejus 12-Jul-19 11:20
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