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Hi Ray.

drrayeye Wrote:
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> Hi Lee,
>
> I became an academic person long ago with a
> special interest in light. Not light, as energy,
> but light as information, and the neuro and
> cognitive processing of that information. Along
> the way, I was thoroughly schooled in how confused
> and messed up things were in science, best
> explained by Thomas Kuhn:
>
> [projektintegracija.pravo.hr]
>
> I actually met Thomas about the time I was
> participating in a full scale Cognitive revolution
> in academia, and the experimental studies being
> carried out all around me were fascinating. A fun
> read from this era is Plans and the structure
> of behavior
:

You mention Kuhn often.

> [s-f-walker.org.uk]
>
> The source of much of my revolutionary thinking
> was, The senses considered as perceptual
> systems
:
>
> [safetyinstalzone.weebly.com]
> s-considered-as-perceptual-systems-gibson-pdf-file

I'm a stones and bones kind of guy.

> It was in Hawaii, working on a telemedicine
> project, that I stumbled upon "Fingerprints . . ."
> and devoured the contents. With such a radical
> scientific background--even within the academic
> world--I was not at all surprised to see Graham
> similarly tackle established dogma in fields that
> I knew nothing about. What surprised me a little,
> was that we academics were thought of as locked
> into dogma--to be exposed and enlightened by free
> thinking free lancers like Graham. But, the
> writing was compelling, and the discoveries seemed
> real--sounded like fun. Besides,I had always been
> a fan of blue sky thinking.

Its interesting how many people were first exposed to this subject, at least in a more in depth way, by FoG. Graham's impact on this genre, and public awareness of the subject at large, cannot be understated.

> The big difference I see, after following
> developments for 20 years or so is that so many of
> the contributors are really lacking in appropriate
> training in basic science and philosophy.

This is not a prerequisite and when needed they can/should easily defer to others.

> So they
> do it wrong--but don't understand why their
> contribution has not been widely accepted.

Can you give specific examples?

> The
> deeper issue is that many of Graham's flashy
> fantasies of lost civilizations can't be tested in
> sufficient detail to be truly supported--even if
> the "know-how" and resources were available.

History can be like that though, part of the reason why it is so open to interpretation and speculation.

> I've admired what you've contributed in Mysteries
> for a long time, and hope some of it turns into a
> book. I think it represents some of the best
> efforts to add some of the detail sorely lacking
> in Graham's books.

Thanks Ray. Very kind of you.

> Efforts to get more "sciency" in speculations
> about human cognitive processes, consciousness,
> and the universe seem to be new areas--especially
> when they involve some sort of computer
> simulation. It may be an area of exploration for
> the future, but so far I've found examples at GHMB
> far too sensationalistic.

Almost unanimously gobbledygook.

> So far, ones I've
> explored lack detail much as in Graham's early
> "Fingerprints.
>
> I never forget that there are two kinds of bad
> theories: ones that explain too little; and ones
> that explain too much. At GHMB, the theories
> never explain too little.

I think the problem is what they are thing to explain is nonsense in the first place.

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Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 1904 Thanos5150 05-Jul-19 02:13
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 366 cladking 05-Jul-19 03:29
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 265 Susan Doris 05-Jul-19 17:24
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 236 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:23
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 243 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 249 Aine 06-Jul-19 20:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 235 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:06
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 260 cladking 07-Jul-19 00:58
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 219 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 204 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:05
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 252 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 09:52
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 249 Thanos5150 06-Jul-19 15:46
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 220 Aine 06-Jul-19 16:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 224 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:05
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 232 Susan Doris 06-Jul-19 17:25
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 225 cladking 06-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 218 Eddie Larry 06-Jul-19 20:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 229 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 15:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 223 Susan Doris 07-Jul-19 16:30
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 218 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 229 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 229 Susan Doris 08-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 205 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 229 drrayeye 06-Jul-19 18:50
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 242 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 16:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 233 cladking 07-Jul-19 16:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 221 Aine 07-Jul-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 241 Thanos5150 07-Jul-19 23:42
The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 228 drrayeye 08-Jul-19 22:26
Re: The advantage of scholarly "tricks" in formulating opinions 244 Eddie Larry 09-Jul-19 00:55
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 212 cladking 07-Jul-19 17:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 239 Thanos5150 08-Jul-19 01:35
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 251 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-19 21:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 225 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 15:56
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 223 Susan Doris 09-Jul-19 16:45
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 258 eyeofhorus33 09-Jul-19 20:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 208 Thanos5150 09-Jul-19 23:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 224 engbren 10-Jul-19 08:24
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 216 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:14
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 217 engbren 02-Aug-19 09:27
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 229 Thanos5150 02-Aug-19 14:36
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Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 255 Thanos5150 03-Aug-19 14:22
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 199 Aine 09-Jul-19 22:07
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 313 Jgeeta 08-Jul-19 02:43
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 235 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:28
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 246 KsFisher 08-Jul-19 19:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 225 cladking 09-Jul-19 13:08
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 227 KsFisher 09-Jul-19 19:49
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 198 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:06
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 199 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:12
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 253 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 04:16
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 283 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 05:15
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 217 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 06:21
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 271 Susan Doris 10-Jul-19 10:21
Gossip 232 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:46
Troll 247 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 18:54
Re: Troll 230 Sirfiroth 10-Jul-19 19:03
Re: Troll 261 eyeofhorus33 10-Jul-19 19:08
An explanation in "Cowboy" 247 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:42
Other times, I poke the dog with a stick. 213 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 23:15
Not at all, Ray 263 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 07:19
Matt's rules 219 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 07:52
Ray gets schooled 280 eyeofhorus33 11-Jul-19 11:31
Ho Ho Ho 230 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 14:12
Re: Ray gets schooled 226 Martin Stower 11-Jul-19 21:10
Fighting "trolls" in Texas 218 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:09
Re: Gossip 205 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:15
The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 217 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 07:07
Don't worry, Pancho 226 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 08:04
Grovel. Grovel. 212 Barbelo 11-Jul-19 10:54
Re: The Grand Poo-Bah of Pomposity 210 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 11:35
Getting an "innocent" to take the bait 236 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 20:42
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 224 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:09
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 210 Susan Doris 11-Jul-19 05:19
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 234 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 213 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 07:04
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 199 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 15:37
Unfortunately 219 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 17:52
Re: Unfortunately 211 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 00:09
Level 3 217 drrayeye 12-Jul-19 00:48
Re: Unfortunately 196 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 15:06
Re: Unfortunately 231 cladking 12-Jul-19 17:10
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 236 kborissov 12-Jul-19 02:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 229 Corpuscles 12-Jul-19 02:59
Australian jargon 230 drrayeye 10-Jul-19 17:39
Re: Australian jargon 250 Martin Stower 10-Jul-19 18:16
Re: Australian jargon 212 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:20
Re: Australian jargon 223 Corpuscles 10-Jul-19 23:58
Thanks 232 drrayeye 11-Jul-19 00:12
Re: Australian jargon 208 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:00
Re: Australian jargon 243 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 01:47
Re: Australian jargon 253 cladking 11-Jul-19 02:44
Re: Australian jargon 227 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 03:58
Re: Australian jargon 237 Thanos5150 11-Jul-19 04:02
Re: Australian jargon 212 cladking 11-Jul-19 04:22
Re: Australian jargon 230 Corpuscles 11-Jul-19 04:50
Re: Australian jargon 211 cladking 11-Jul-19 14:31
Re: Australian jargon 226 Warwick 11-Jul-19 15:31
Re: Australian jargon 210 cladking 11-Jul-19 15:57
um 214 Warwick 11-Jul-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 237 cladking 11-Jul-19 01:11
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 228 cloister 11-Jul-19 13:32
Re: Mainstream and Alternative Ideas 211 Thanos5150 12-Jul-19 14:50
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