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Warwick Wrote:
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> Is that a Yes or a no? Because it appears to me
> that you think they are all idiots, if you think
> them incapable of constructive free association.

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Everybody has their own beliefs. These beliefs are rarely shaken because we each see the world in terms of those beliefs so we rarely question the belief. We're far more likely to question our senses and experimental results, eg-"old wood".

The point of debate is much more to consider other perspectives and to learn other's premises. The point should be to add your knowledge to those with whom you converse. Two minds are better than one on the rare occassion people work together. The purpose of debate is so other people can see the various perspectives. So long as Lehner studies the pyramids with his back to them we have a very clear perspective that he believes that pyraimids are simply irrelevant to their builders and to modern science.

As is typical you addressed none of my points. This is the same thing Egyptologists must do in a debate; fail to address arguments. They can't address arguments because their beliefs do not conform to any hypothesis that fails to accept the simple facts that Egyptians were stinky footed bumpkins who dragged tombs up ramps.

I specifically said people see their own beliefs and are rarely influenced much by others. If I must spell it out for you there is very little chance Hancock, Bauval, and Lehner can reach any sort of "consensus" except on the more trivial issues. Even if it could happen it would have no effect on anyone other than a few of the people who follow them. Bauval and Hancock would sell more books and become more popular and Lehner might be excommunicated from Egyptology.

To simplify this further, you asked a bad question. There will be no "consensus" until actual science is methodically employed to study the pyramids. Lehner can study them by parsing the PT and nobody has a problem with this but let him agree with an alt about anything or do actual science and he'll be packing.

"Consensus" has failed because it was never a part of the scientific method to start with! It is irrelevant even if we could all agree and break into kumbaya. It can't happen because we operate on belief and only some beliefs are being drilled into people. One of these is that humans used to be sun addled bumpkins but we're all better now.

I would love to see this debate but I doubt any Egyptologist would be willing.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11-Apr-19 15:12 by cladking.

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Egyptology debate 1327 ptutaki@gmail.com 01-Apr-19 20:14
Re: Egyptology debate 381 cladking 01-Apr-19 22:02
Re: Egyptology debate 369 Martin Stower 01-Apr-19 22:30
Re: Egyptology debate 281 Brian Patterson 01-Apr-19 23:30
Re: Egyptology debate 291 cladking 02-Apr-19 00:12
Re: Egyptology debate 269 Open mind 02-Apr-19 01:50
Re: Egyptology debate 239 cladking 02-Apr-19 02:25
Re: Egyptology debate 256 Open mind 02-Apr-19 03:30
Re: Egyptology debate 289 cladking 02-Apr-19 03:43
Don't you ever 241 eyeofhorus33 02-Apr-19 17:04
Re: Don't you ever 202 cladking 02-Apr-19 19:39
Re: Don't you ever 292 Martin Stower 02-Apr-19 20:23
Re: Don't you ever 219 Corpuscles 02-Apr-19 20:38
Re: Don't you ever 200 eyeofhorus33 03-Apr-19 17:27
Re: Don't you ever 187 cladking 03-Apr-19 17:46
Re: Don't you ever 210 cladking 02-Apr-19 19:45
Re: Don't you ever 200 Thanos5150 02-Apr-19 23:31
Re: Don't you ever 173 Corpuscles 03-Apr-19 01:04
Re: Don't you ever 191 cladking 03-Apr-19 01:46
Re: Don't you ever 187 Warwick 04-Apr-19 15:56
Re: Don't you ever 158 cladking 04-Apr-19 16:58
Re: Don't you ever 161 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:07
Re: Don't you ever 184 cladking 04-Apr-19 17:29
Re: Don't you ever 176 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:45
Re: Don't you ever 199 Merrell 07-Apr-19 08:45
Re: Don't you ever 189 cladking 07-Apr-19 12:59
Re: Don't you ever 164 Martin Stower 07-Apr-19 16:37
Re: Don't you ever 178 cladking 03-Apr-19 01:25
Re: Egyptology debate 195 Corpuscles 02-Apr-19 21:06
Egyptology Owns the Low Road. 200 cladking 02-Apr-19 21:20
Re: Egyptology debate 257 Martin Stower 02-Apr-19 22:43
Re: Egyptology debate 228 Open mind 03-Apr-19 02:59
Re: Egyptology debate 229 Martin Stower 03-Apr-19 23:27
Re: Egyptology debate 215 Open mind 03-Apr-19 02:40
Re: Egyptology debate 189 Corpuscles 03-Apr-19 21:09
Re: Egyptology debate 166 cladking 03-Apr-19 22:00
Re: Egyptology debate 182 Corpuscles 03-Apr-19 22:40
Re: Egyptology debate 240 cladking 04-Apr-19 00:23
Re: Egyptology debate 195 Corpuscles 04-Apr-19 01:03
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 261 jamesglory 04-Apr-19 02:14
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 187 cladking 04-Apr-19 03:06
Two quick questions: 204 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 07:41
Re: Two quick questions: 178 cladking 04-Apr-19 13:36
So, there was spiritual belief 218 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 19:44
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 201 Corpuscles 04-Apr-19 20:01
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 205 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 20:24
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 198 cladking 04-Apr-19 21:07
Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 218 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 21:11
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 191 cladking 05-Apr-19 01:44
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 221 Corpuscles 05-Apr-19 02:22
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 204 cladking 05-Apr-19 02:44
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 182 Corpuscles 05-Apr-19 08:05
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 178 cladking 05-Apr-19 19:29
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 179 Corpuscles 05-Apr-19 22:44
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 168 cladking 06-Apr-19 00:44
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 163 Corpuscles 06-Apr-19 06:06
Some Might Pay A Shilling 189 Barbelo 06-Apr-19 06:17
Re: Some Might Pay A Shilling 192 Corpuscles 06-Apr-19 09:00
The Telephone?? 189 Warwick 05-Apr-19 07:21
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 183 Corpuscles 04-Apr-19 21:57
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 177 cladking 04-Apr-19 21:00
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 161 cladking 04-Apr-19 20:54
You are completely mad! 203 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 21:09
Re: You are completely mad! 221 cladking 05-Apr-19 02:11
Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 169 eyeofhorus33 05-Apr-19 06:18
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 218 cladking 05-Apr-19 13:48
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 165 Warwick 05-Apr-19 15:59
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 155 cladking 05-Apr-19 16:29
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 150 Warwick 05-Apr-19 17:02
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 165 cladking 05-Apr-19 17:21
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 263 jamesglory 04-Apr-19 08:16
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 160 cladking 04-Apr-19 13:29
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 176 Warwick 04-Apr-19 15:34
Re: Egyptology debate 217 Open mind 05-Apr-19 01:40
Re: Egyptology debate 181 cladking 05-Apr-19 02:22
Re: Egyptology debate 184 Warwick 05-Apr-19 07:33
Re: Egyptology debate 194 Open mind 06-Apr-19 00:48
Re: Egyptology debate 189 Corpuscles 06-Apr-19 03:43
Re: Egyptology debate 186 Open mind 06-Apr-19 22:27
Re: Egyptology debate 179 Corpuscles 07-Apr-19 07:49
Re: Egyptology debate 166 Open mind 07-Apr-19 17:29
Re: Egyptology debate 171 Open mind 07-Apr-19 17:34
Re: Egyptology debate 184 Corpuscles 08-Apr-19 06:49
Re: Egyptology debate 191 eyeofhorus33 06-Apr-19 22:14
Re: Egyptology debate 185 Thanos5150 07-Apr-19 16:37
Re: Egyptology debate 187 eyeofhorus33 08-Apr-19 06:54
Re: Egyptology debate 174 Thanos5150 08-Apr-19 16:08
Having now caught up on the thread entire... 188 Warwick 04-Apr-19 15:50
Re: Having now caught up on the thread entire... 152 cladking 04-Apr-19 17:06
Re: Having now caught up on the thread entire... 166 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:10
Re: Having now caught up on the thread entire... 162 cladking 04-Apr-19 17:39
IOW's 171 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:42
Re: IOW's 161 cladking 04-Apr-19 18:54
Re: IOW's 202 Martin Stower 04-Apr-19 19:26
April Fools! 179 cladking 04-Apr-19 18:58
Re: April Fools! 199 Warwick 04-Apr-19 19:35
Re: April Fools! 206 Martin Stower 04-Apr-19 19:49
Re: April Fools! 201 cladking 04-Apr-19 20:31
Re: April Fools! 186 Martin Stower 08-Apr-19 11:18
Re: April Fools! 164 cladking 08-Apr-19 13:18
Re: April Fools! 257 Martin Stower 08-Apr-19 22:06
Re: April Fools! 189 Warwick 09-Apr-19 17:04
Re: April Fools! 190 cladking 09-Apr-19 19:55
Re: April Fools! 227 cladking 08-Apr-19 13:34
Reality? 159 Warwick 08-Apr-19 17:50
Here's Another Shilling 187 Barbelo 08-Apr-19 21:08
Talking out of both sides of your mouth again! 167 eyeofhorus33 09-Apr-19 20:41
Re: Talking out of both sides of your mouth again! 183 cladking 09-Apr-19 21:21
Re: Talking out of both sides of your mouth again! 155 cladking 09-Apr-19 21:38
In summation... 153 Warwick 10-Apr-19 17:11
Re: In summation... 154 cladking 10-Apr-19 17:33
Re: In summation... 186 Warwick 10-Apr-19 17:44
Re: In summation... 177 cladking 10-Apr-19 18:55
Re: In summation... 267 Warwick 11-Apr-19 18:30
Re: In summation... 159 Hanslune 11-Apr-19 14:37
Re: April Fools! 165 cladking 09-Apr-19 21:56
Re: Having now caught up on the thread entire... 183 cladking 11-Apr-19 15:09


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