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1. There is an enormous period of time in deep history that lead up to the Dynastic period where these people developed their abilities to produce all that work, but all evidence of that period of necessary 'stages of developement' has been wiped from the record somehow from some other unknown cataclysm.

I have no reason to dispute number 1; in fact, it seems there is some evidence and growing mainstream academic support for the Younger Dryas impact cataclysm.

However, with respect to scenario number 3 where you hypothesise:

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3. Egyptians just woke up one day totally imbued with advanced abilities to fabricate megalithic work and someone made a lucky guess about precession.

I must disagree. There is clear evidence of evolution in dynastic tomb building.

There are in the First Dynasty some tombs at Saqqara with a small hill or pyramid shaped structure over the burial chambers. These hill shaped structures are built in all cases inside a mastaba.

The mastaba evolves into the step pyramid, such as Djoser's. The third dynasty step pyramids are of kings whose reigns are deemed to have been very short and is perhaps why none was completed.

There are 'dummy' pyramids such as the pyramid of Ombos which contain no burial chamber; their purpose remains unknown dated to the end of the third or beginning of the fourth dynasty.

These step pyramids evolve into true pyramids, such as Snefru's at Meidum which I understand to have been first built as a step pyramid and then re-designed and extended, which is perhaps a reason for its collapse - though there are others here at the forum, like Thanos, Martin, Warwick and Avry, who are far more knowledgeable on the subject than me and can better explain this to you.

The Nabta Playa calendar circle suggests a pre-dynastic civilisation with an astronomical knowledge and interest, stretching back to at least the fifth millennium BCE though the region had been populated for millennia by then, so no, the dynastic Egyptians didn't suddenly develop an interest in precession out of nowhere but perhaps inherited a body of knowledge that arguably stretched back millennia by then.

Edited to add: Astrophysicist Thomas G. Brophy suggests the hypothesis that the southerly line of three stones inside the Calendar Circle represented the three stars of Orion’s Belt and the other three stones inside the calendar circle represented the shoulders and head stars of Orion as they appeared in the sky. These correspondences were for two dates – circa 4800 BCE and at precessional opposition – representing how the sky "moves" long term. Brophy proposes that the circle was constructed and used circa the later date, and the dual date representation was a conceptual representation of the motion of the sky over a precession cycle.

Matt

Edited to correct typos. It's late and I should be in bed!



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Egyptology debate 1330 ptutaki@gmail.com 01-Apr-19 20:14
Re: Egyptology debate 383 cladking 01-Apr-19 22:02
Re: Egyptology debate 371 Martin Stower 01-Apr-19 22:30
Re: Egyptology debate 285 Brian Patterson 01-Apr-19 23:30
Re: Egyptology debate 292 cladking 02-Apr-19 00:12
Re: Egyptology debate 271 Open mind 02-Apr-19 01:50
Re: Egyptology debate 240 cladking 02-Apr-19 02:25
Re: Egyptology debate 258 Open mind 02-Apr-19 03:30
Re: Egyptology debate 292 cladking 02-Apr-19 03:43
Don't you ever 243 eyeofhorus33 02-Apr-19 17:04
Re: Don't you ever 206 cladking 02-Apr-19 19:39
Re: Don't you ever 295 Martin Stower 02-Apr-19 20:23
Re: Don't you ever 220 Corpuscles 02-Apr-19 20:38
Re: Don't you ever 202 eyeofhorus33 03-Apr-19 17:27
Re: Don't you ever 189 cladking 03-Apr-19 17:46
Re: Don't you ever 212 cladking 02-Apr-19 19:45
Re: Don't you ever 202 Thanos5150 02-Apr-19 23:31
Re: Don't you ever 174 Corpuscles 03-Apr-19 01:04
Re: Don't you ever 194 cladking 03-Apr-19 01:46
Re: Don't you ever 189 Warwick 04-Apr-19 15:56
Re: Don't you ever 162 cladking 04-Apr-19 16:58
Re: Don't you ever 163 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:07
Re: Don't you ever 186 cladking 04-Apr-19 17:29
Re: Don't you ever 180 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:45
Re: Don't you ever 201 Merrell 07-Apr-19 08:45
Re: Don't you ever 197 cladking 07-Apr-19 12:59
Re: Don't you ever 167 Martin Stower 07-Apr-19 16:37
Re: Don't you ever 179 cladking 03-Apr-19 01:25
Re: Egyptology debate 197 Corpuscles 02-Apr-19 21:06
Egyptology Owns the Low Road. 203 cladking 02-Apr-19 21:20
Re: Egyptology debate 259 Martin Stower 02-Apr-19 22:43
Re: Egyptology debate 230 Open mind 03-Apr-19 02:59
Re: Egyptology debate 232 Martin Stower 03-Apr-19 23:27
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Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 188 cladking 04-Apr-19 03:06
Two quick questions: 206 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 07:41
Re: Two quick questions: 181 cladking 04-Apr-19 13:36
So, there was spiritual belief 220 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 19:44
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Re: So, there was spiritual belief 207 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 20:24
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The Telephone?? 192 Warwick 05-Apr-19 07:21
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 185 Corpuscles 04-Apr-19 21:57
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 178 cladking 04-Apr-19 21:00
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You are completely mad! 204 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 21:09
Re: You are completely mad! 225 cladking 05-Apr-19 02:11
Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 171 eyeofhorus33 05-Apr-19 06:18
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 220 cladking 05-Apr-19 13:48
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 166 Warwick 05-Apr-19 15:59
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Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 151 Warwick 05-Apr-19 17:02
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 166 cladking 05-Apr-19 17:21
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 268 jamesglory 04-Apr-19 08:16
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 162 cladking 04-Apr-19 13:29
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 179 Warwick 04-Apr-19 15:34
Re: Egyptology debate 219 Open mind 05-Apr-19 01:40
Re: Egyptology debate 184 cladking 05-Apr-19 02:22
Re: Egyptology debate 187 Warwick 05-Apr-19 07:33
Re: Egyptology debate 195 Open mind 06-Apr-19 00:48
Re: Egyptology debate 190 Corpuscles 06-Apr-19 03:43
Re: Egyptology debate 188 Open mind 06-Apr-19 22:27
Re: Egyptology debate 181 Corpuscles 07-Apr-19 07:49
Re: Egyptology debate 170 Open mind 07-Apr-19 17:29
Re: Egyptology debate 173 Open mind 07-Apr-19 17:34
Re: Egyptology debate 186 Corpuscles 08-Apr-19 06:49
Re: Egyptology debate 192 eyeofhorus33 06-Apr-19 22:14
Re: Egyptology debate 187 Thanos5150 07-Apr-19 16:37
Re: Egyptology debate 189 eyeofhorus33 08-Apr-19 06:54
Re: Egyptology debate 176 Thanos5150 08-Apr-19 16:08
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IOW's 172 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:42
Re: IOW's 162 cladking 04-Apr-19 18:54
Re: IOW's 206 Martin Stower 04-Apr-19 19:26
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Reality? 160 Warwick 08-Apr-19 17:50
Here's Another Shilling 189 Barbelo 08-Apr-19 21:08
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Re: Talking out of both sides of your mouth again! 186 cladking 09-Apr-19 21:21
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