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1. There is an enormous period of time in deep history that lead up to the Dynastic period where these people developed their abilities to produce all that work, but all evidence of that period of necessary 'stages of developement' has been wiped from the record somehow from some other unknown cataclysm.

I have no reason to dispute number 1; in fact, it seems there is some evidence and growing mainstream academic support for the Younger Dryas impact cataclysm.

However, with respect to scenario number 3 where you hypothesise:

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3. Egyptians just woke up one day totally imbued with advanced abilities to fabricate megalithic work and someone made a lucky guess about precession.

I must disagree. There is clear evidence of evolution in dynastic tomb building.

There are in the First Dynasty some tombs at Saqqara with a small hill or pyramid shaped structure over the burial chambers. These hill shaped structures are built in all cases inside a mastaba.

The mastaba evolves into the step pyramid, such as Djoser's. The third dynasty step pyramids are of kings whose reigns are deemed to have been very short and is perhaps why none was completed.

There are 'dummy' pyramids such as the pyramid of Ombos which contain no burial chamber; their purpose remains unknown dated to the end of the third or beginning of the fourth dynasty.

These step pyramids evolve into true pyramids, such as Snefru's at Meidum which I understand to have been first built as a step pyramid and then re-designed and extended, which is perhaps a reason for its collapse - though there are others here at the forum, like Thanos, Martin, Warwick and Avry, who are far more knowledgeable on the subject than me and can better explain this to you.

The Nabta Playa calendar circle suggests a pre-dynastic civilisation with an astronomical knowledge and interest, stretching back to at least the fifth millennium BCE though the region had been populated for millennia by then, so no, the dynastic Egyptians didn't suddenly develop an interest in precession out of nowhere but perhaps inherited a body of knowledge that arguably stretched back millennia by then.

Edited to add: Astrophysicist Thomas G. Brophy suggests the hypothesis that the southerly line of three stones inside the Calendar Circle represented the three stars of Orion’s Belt and the other three stones inside the calendar circle represented the shoulders and head stars of Orion as they appeared in the sky. These correspondences were for two dates – circa 4800 BCE and at precessional opposition – representing how the sky "moves" long term. Brophy proposes that the circle was constructed and used circa the later date, and the dual date representation was a conceptual representation of the motion of the sky over a precession cycle.

Matt

Edited to correct typos. It's late and I should be in bed!



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Egyptology debate 1317 ptutaki@gmail.com 01-Apr-19 20:14
Re: Egyptology debate 376 cladking 01-Apr-19 22:02
Re: Egyptology debate 363 Martin Stower 01-Apr-19 22:30
Re: Egyptology debate 276 Brian Patterson 01-Apr-19 23:30
Re: Egyptology debate 286 cladking 02-Apr-19 00:12
Re: Egyptology debate 265 Open mind 02-Apr-19 01:50
Re: Egyptology debate 233 cladking 02-Apr-19 02:25
Re: Egyptology debate 251 Open mind 02-Apr-19 03:30
Re: Egyptology debate 285 cladking 02-Apr-19 03:43
Don't you ever 238 eyeofhorus33 02-Apr-19 17:04
Re: Don't you ever 198 cladking 02-Apr-19 19:39
Re: Don't you ever 287 Martin Stower 02-Apr-19 20:23
Re: Don't you ever 214 Corpuscles 02-Apr-19 20:38
Re: Don't you ever 196 eyeofhorus33 03-Apr-19 17:27
Re: Don't you ever 182 cladking 03-Apr-19 17:46
Re: Don't you ever 207 cladking 02-Apr-19 19:45
Re: Don't you ever 197 Thanos5150 02-Apr-19 23:31
Re: Don't you ever 168 Corpuscles 03-Apr-19 01:04
Re: Don't you ever 187 cladking 03-Apr-19 01:46
Re: Don't you ever 181 Warwick 04-Apr-19 15:56
Re: Don't you ever 155 cladking 04-Apr-19 16:58
Re: Don't you ever 157 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:07
Re: Don't you ever 179 cladking 04-Apr-19 17:29
Re: Don't you ever 171 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:45
Re: Don't you ever 194 Merrell 07-Apr-19 08:45
Re: Don't you ever 174 cladking 07-Apr-19 12:59
Re: Don't you ever 161 Martin Stower 07-Apr-19 16:37
Re: Don't you ever 173 cladking 03-Apr-19 01:25
Re: Egyptology debate 189 Corpuscles 02-Apr-19 21:06
Egyptology Owns the Low Road. 196 cladking 02-Apr-19 21:20
Re: Egyptology debate 254 Martin Stower 02-Apr-19 22:43
Re: Egyptology debate 224 Open mind 03-Apr-19 02:59
Re: Egyptology debate 225 Martin Stower 03-Apr-19 23:27
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Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 181 cladking 04-Apr-19 03:06
Two quick questions: 200 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 07:41
Re: Two quick questions: 174 cladking 04-Apr-19 13:36
So, there was spiritual belief 212 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 19:44
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Re: So, there was spiritual belief 201 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 20:24
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The Telephone?? 184 Warwick 05-Apr-19 07:21
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 178 Corpuscles 04-Apr-19 21:57
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 173 cladking 04-Apr-19 21:00
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 157 cladking 04-Apr-19 20:54
You are completely mad! 199 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 21:09
Re: You are completely mad! 215 cladking 05-Apr-19 02:11
Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 162 eyeofhorus33 05-Apr-19 06:18
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Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 161 Warwick 05-Apr-19 15:59
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Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 145 Warwick 05-Apr-19 17:02
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 159 cladking 05-Apr-19 17:21
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 254 jamesglory 04-Apr-19 08:16
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 156 cladking 04-Apr-19 13:29
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 171 Warwick 04-Apr-19 15:34
Re: Egyptology debate 213 Open mind 05-Apr-19 01:40
Re: Egyptology debate 177 cladking 05-Apr-19 02:22
Re: Egyptology debate 176 Warwick 05-Apr-19 07:33
Re: Egyptology debate 188 Open mind 06-Apr-19 00:48
Re: Egyptology debate 183 Corpuscles 06-Apr-19 03:43
Re: Egyptology debate 181 Open mind 06-Apr-19 22:27
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Re: Egyptology debate 163 Open mind 07-Apr-19 17:29
Re: Egyptology debate 167 Open mind 07-Apr-19 17:34
Re: Egyptology debate 171 Corpuscles 08-Apr-19 06:49
Re: Egyptology debate 186 eyeofhorus33 06-Apr-19 22:14
Re: Egyptology debate 178 Thanos5150 07-Apr-19 16:37
Re: Egyptology debate 182 eyeofhorus33 08-Apr-19 06:54
Re: Egyptology debate 169 Thanos5150 08-Apr-19 16:08
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IOW's 165 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:42
Re: IOW's 155 cladking 04-Apr-19 18:54
Re: IOW's 197 Martin Stower 04-Apr-19 19:26
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