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You know that the king couldn't turn into the pyramid and you know that once the king died he couldn't watch over his people any longer. You know that ancient people were superstitious and lacked any modern science and technology. You know stones can't grow wings and fly in formation. We know the pyramids are tombs and that the Pyramid Texts are written in language any trained Egyptologist can understand. We know the body of the king was critically important to the ancients so they'd never have endangered his everlastingness by burning it.

Ancient people believed that each time they thought of the dead king he could watch over them and help keep them from errors. They believed that by putting huge pyramids on the landscape that individuals would often be reminded of him. They believed that the "words of the gods" which they used to communicate contained power and meaning. They believed the past, present, and future were all important and their duty included preserving the memory of the king and their beliefs for future generations. They believed that their kings could ascend to heaven where they could live forever as a star.

Now all you need to do is swap "belief" and "knowledge". Everything you believe is held as a model composed of belief and everything they believed was a shared model of reality itself. It's irrelevant to my argument that much of their "knowledge" looks primitive or metaphoric to us because we don't think like they did. When they said "these stones that fly like the fledglings of swallows" each word had only a single meaning so the sentence couldn't be parsed. This is why we can't make heads or tails of the sentences. We know we must assign a meaning to each word as we hear it because this is what we were taught when we were about 1 1/2 years old. This is what we do. It's how we think and is the root of modern language. Everything they believed was rooted in natural science and expressed in metaphysical language. As such everything they believed was actually knowledge within the confines of their axioms and definitions.

Meanwhile you don't really know that a stone can't be induced to grow wings when you read just the proper incantation or maybe give it a shot of 10 CC's of "philosophers stone". Maybe if one flew around in a gizzard long enough it could pick up some tricks and learn them to others. The difference between knowledge and belief isn't so much night and day but apples and oranges. Belief can never be knowledge and knowledge can never be belief. They are distinct and they arise differently. They are expressed differently though this isn't apparent in our confused language.

I'm just running out of ways to say this. Yet this will be snipped and ignored like most of the other posts trying to communicate what is in essence a pretty simple concept; Ancient Language was formatted differently. It reflected a different way to think. It was based on accumulated knowledge rather than belief . It was meant literally and didn't need words for "belief", "thought", or taxonomies. They didn't think they believed and didn't believe they knew. We don't think we know, we know we know. And such it has been for every individual for recorded history.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 05-Apr-19 16:18 by cladking.

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Egyptology debate 1327 ptutaki@gmail.com 01-Apr-19 20:14
Re: Egyptology debate 380 cladking 01-Apr-19 22:02
Re: Egyptology debate 369 Martin Stower 01-Apr-19 22:30
Re: Egyptology debate 281 Brian Patterson 01-Apr-19 23:30
Re: Egyptology debate 291 cladking 02-Apr-19 00:12
Re: Egyptology debate 269 Open mind 02-Apr-19 01:50
Re: Egyptology debate 239 cladking 02-Apr-19 02:25
Re: Egyptology debate 256 Open mind 02-Apr-19 03:30
Re: Egyptology debate 289 cladking 02-Apr-19 03:43
Don't you ever 241 eyeofhorus33 02-Apr-19 17:04
Re: Don't you ever 201 cladking 02-Apr-19 19:39
Re: Don't you ever 292 Martin Stower 02-Apr-19 20:23
Re: Don't you ever 219 Corpuscles 02-Apr-19 20:38
Re: Don't you ever 200 eyeofhorus33 03-Apr-19 17:27
Re: Don't you ever 186 cladking 03-Apr-19 17:46
Re: Don't you ever 210 cladking 02-Apr-19 19:45
Re: Don't you ever 200 Thanos5150 02-Apr-19 23:31
Re: Don't you ever 173 Corpuscles 03-Apr-19 01:04
Re: Don't you ever 190 cladking 03-Apr-19 01:46
Re: Don't you ever 187 Warwick 04-Apr-19 15:56
Re: Don't you ever 158 cladking 04-Apr-19 16:58
Re: Don't you ever 161 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:07
Re: Don't you ever 184 cladking 04-Apr-19 17:29
Re: Don't you ever 176 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:45
Re: Don't you ever 199 Merrell 07-Apr-19 08:45
Re: Don't you ever 189 cladking 07-Apr-19 12:59
Re: Don't you ever 164 Martin Stower 07-Apr-19 16:37
Re: Don't you ever 178 cladking 03-Apr-19 01:25
Re: Egyptology debate 195 Corpuscles 02-Apr-19 21:06
Egyptology Owns the Low Road. 200 cladking 02-Apr-19 21:20
Re: Egyptology debate 257 Martin Stower 02-Apr-19 22:43
Re: Egyptology debate 228 Open mind 03-Apr-19 02:59
Re: Egyptology debate 229 Martin Stower 03-Apr-19 23:27
Re: Egyptology debate 215 Open mind 03-Apr-19 02:40
Re: Egyptology debate 188 Corpuscles 03-Apr-19 21:09
Re: Egyptology debate 166 cladking 03-Apr-19 22:00
Re: Egyptology debate 182 Corpuscles 03-Apr-19 22:40
Re: Egyptology debate 240 cladking 04-Apr-19 00:23
Re: Egyptology debate 195 Corpuscles 04-Apr-19 01:03
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 261 jamesglory 04-Apr-19 02:14
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 187 cladking 04-Apr-19 03:06
Two quick questions: 204 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 07:41
Re: Two quick questions: 178 cladking 04-Apr-19 13:36
So, there was spiritual belief 218 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 19:44
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 201 Corpuscles 04-Apr-19 20:01
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 205 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 20:24
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 198 cladking 04-Apr-19 21:07
Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 218 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 21:11
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 191 cladking 05-Apr-19 01:44
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 221 Corpuscles 05-Apr-19 02:22
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 203 cladking 05-Apr-19 02:44
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 182 Corpuscles 05-Apr-19 08:05
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 178 cladking 05-Apr-19 19:29
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 178 Corpuscles 05-Apr-19 22:44
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 168 cladking 06-Apr-19 00:44
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 163 Corpuscles 06-Apr-19 06:06
Some Might Pay A Shilling 189 Barbelo 06-Apr-19 06:17
Re: Some Might Pay A Shilling 192 Corpuscles 06-Apr-19 09:00
The Telephone?? 189 Warwick 05-Apr-19 07:21
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 182 Corpuscles 04-Apr-19 21:57
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 177 cladking 04-Apr-19 21:00
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 161 cladking 04-Apr-19 20:54
You are completely mad! 203 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 21:09
Re: You are completely mad! 221 cladking 05-Apr-19 02:11
Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 169 eyeofhorus33 05-Apr-19 06:18
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 217 cladking 05-Apr-19 13:48
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 165 Warwick 05-Apr-19 15:59
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 155 cladking 05-Apr-19 16:29
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 149 Warwick 05-Apr-19 17:02
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 164 cladking 05-Apr-19 17:21
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 263 jamesglory 04-Apr-19 08:16
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 160 cladking 04-Apr-19 13:29
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 176 Warwick 04-Apr-19 15:34
Re: Egyptology debate 217 Open mind 05-Apr-19 01:40
Re: Egyptology debate 181 cladking 05-Apr-19 02:22
Re: Egyptology debate 184 Warwick 05-Apr-19 07:33
Re: Egyptology debate 194 Open mind 06-Apr-19 00:48
Re: Egyptology debate 189 Corpuscles 06-Apr-19 03:43
Re: Egyptology debate 186 Open mind 06-Apr-19 22:27
Re: Egyptology debate 179 Corpuscles 07-Apr-19 07:49
Re: Egyptology debate 166 Open mind 07-Apr-19 17:29
Re: Egyptology debate 171 Open mind 07-Apr-19 17:34
Re: Egyptology debate 184 Corpuscles 08-Apr-19 06:49
Re: Egyptology debate 191 eyeofhorus33 06-Apr-19 22:14
Re: Egyptology debate 184 Thanos5150 07-Apr-19 16:37
Re: Egyptology debate 187 eyeofhorus33 08-Apr-19 06:54
Re: Egyptology debate 174 Thanos5150 08-Apr-19 16:08
Having now caught up on the thread entire... 188 Warwick 04-Apr-19 15:50
Re: Having now caught up on the thread entire... 152 cladking 04-Apr-19 17:06
Re: Having now caught up on the thread entire... 165 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:10
Re: Having now caught up on the thread entire... 162 cladking 04-Apr-19 17:39
IOW's 171 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:42
Re: IOW's 160 cladking 04-Apr-19 18:54
Re: IOW's 201 Martin Stower 04-Apr-19 19:26
April Fools! 178 cladking 04-Apr-19 18:58
Re: April Fools! 199 Warwick 04-Apr-19 19:35
Re: April Fools! 206 Martin Stower 04-Apr-19 19:49
Re: April Fools! 200 cladking 04-Apr-19 20:31
Re: April Fools! 186 Martin Stower 08-Apr-19 11:18
Re: April Fools! 164 cladking 08-Apr-19 13:18
Re: April Fools! 256 Martin Stower 08-Apr-19 22:06
Re: April Fools! 189 Warwick 09-Apr-19 17:04
Re: April Fools! 190 cladking 09-Apr-19 19:55
Re: April Fools! 227 cladking 08-Apr-19 13:34
Reality? 158 Warwick 08-Apr-19 17:50
Here's Another Shilling 187 Barbelo 08-Apr-19 21:08
Talking out of both sides of your mouth again! 167 eyeofhorus33 09-Apr-19 20:41
Re: Talking out of both sides of your mouth again! 183 cladking 09-Apr-19 21:21
Re: Talking out of both sides of your mouth again! 155 cladking 09-Apr-19 21:38
In summation... 153 Warwick 10-Apr-19 17:11
Re: In summation... 154 cladking 10-Apr-19 17:33
Re: In summation... 186 Warwick 10-Apr-19 17:44
Re: In summation... 177 cladking 10-Apr-19 18:55
Re: In summation... 266 Warwick 11-Apr-19 18:30
Re: In summation... 158 Hanslune 11-Apr-19 14:37
Re: April Fools! 165 cladking 09-Apr-19 21:56
Re: Having now caught up on the thread entire... 183 cladking 11-Apr-19 15:09


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