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eyeofhorus33 Wrote:
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> Your choice of word to define the function of the
> cremation is fascinating to me, for the precise
> meaning of this word is as follows: "a
> religious or solemn ceremony consisting of
> a series of actions performed according to a
> prescribed order."

Yes! A religious OR solemn ceremony.

I might point out that both of these words have several definitions and each of these definitions are composed of words with many definitions.

> But let's not get hung up on the idea of religious
> belief because, as we all know from your
> endless diatribes, there is no word for belief,
> irrespective of your own acknowledgement
> here
of the physical manifestation of
> belief in this solemn cultural practice and
> ceremony.

Good! We're on the exact same page.

>
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the king ascended to heaven to become a star

> Now you are indisputably entangled in an
> articulation of spiritual belief because
> this is metaphor, poetry, a fantastical way to
> express the ascension of the life force, energy,
> matter or soul of the deceased king who is
> physically burning and turning to smoke.

Absolutely not!

They meant EVERYTHING literally. Heaven was at '81' 3" and the king ascended to become the pyramid and the star. These were mnemonics. He literally became a star in heaven (3b3w). He was no longer a corporeal being as you or I but was the pyramid by day and the star by night.

We can't see this from our perspective which is why I used the word "mnemonic" which is the closest concept we have to a king literally becoming a pyramid. Obviously they didn't think the king was alive but he still "lived" on in peoples' memory.

We can't think like they did. They thought in three dimensions in a metaphysical language so they didn't talk like us either.

> These highly
> intelligent builders knew this from their
> scientific observations of everyday fires: smoke
> dissipates in the air, it is gaseous in nature and
> it does not shine at night as a star does.

I'm sorry but this is nonsense.

There is no science outside of metaphysics. They had no known metaphysics therefore it's IMPOSSIBLE they had any known science. It';s not real. This belief is not in agreement with any reality.

> The pyramid builders sat around fires often enough
> every night, keeping warm, to observe these
> scientific 'truths'.

No. Not "scientific" outside metaphysics.

> So, the AE culture was steeped in the very solemn
> beliefs which you constantly claim are
> not a part of their language. The king
> 'ascended' into 'heaven' and became
> a 'star'. Listen to yourself!

This is semantics. "Solemn" wasn't a good word for "ritual" to begin with and then you merely appended "belief" to it. They had no words that translate as "belief" or "thought". Not even Allen translates words that mean this. It follows they didn't "think" and had no beliefs. They didn't experience "thought" because they didn't compare sensory input to their models. In their own words; "the second moment after he saw N., the second moment after he perceived...".

> Of course it was part of their language: it was
> enacted physically, expressed metaphorically and
> as your final comment on the matter I asked of
> your opinion, even you state:

No metaphor either. They didn't even have words for taxonomies. They obviously didn't think like us and needed no such words because they had no definitions. They didn't organize their knowledge as we do. They were a different species for all practical purposes which is why the language breaks Zipf's Law. We refuse to see this which is why Egyptology won't address the linguistic issues.

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The Pyramid Texts is quite clear on all this.
>
> I agree. See above.

Well... ...the literal meaning explains everything.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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Egyptology debate 1327 ptutaki@gmail.com 01-Apr-19 20:14
Re: Egyptology debate 380 cladking 01-Apr-19 22:02
Re: Egyptology debate 369 Martin Stower 01-Apr-19 22:30
Re: Egyptology debate 280 Brian Patterson 01-Apr-19 23:30
Re: Egyptology debate 290 cladking 02-Apr-19 00:12
Re: Egyptology debate 269 Open mind 02-Apr-19 01:50
Re: Egyptology debate 238 cladking 02-Apr-19 02:25
Re: Egyptology debate 256 Open mind 02-Apr-19 03:30
Re: Egyptology debate 289 cladking 02-Apr-19 03:43
Don't you ever 241 eyeofhorus33 02-Apr-19 17:04
Re: Don't you ever 201 cladking 02-Apr-19 19:39
Re: Don't you ever 292 Martin Stower 02-Apr-19 20:23
Re: Don't you ever 218 Corpuscles 02-Apr-19 20:38
Re: Don't you ever 200 eyeofhorus33 03-Apr-19 17:27
Re: Don't you ever 186 cladking 03-Apr-19 17:46
Re: Don't you ever 210 cladking 02-Apr-19 19:45
Re: Don't you ever 200 Thanos5150 02-Apr-19 23:31
Re: Don't you ever 171 Corpuscles 03-Apr-19 01:04
Re: Don't you ever 190 cladking 03-Apr-19 01:46
Re: Don't you ever 187 Warwick 04-Apr-19 15:56
Re: Don't you ever 158 cladking 04-Apr-19 16:58
Re: Don't you ever 161 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:07
Re: Don't you ever 184 cladking 04-Apr-19 17:29
Re: Don't you ever 176 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:45
Re: Don't you ever 198 Merrell 07-Apr-19 08:45
Re: Don't you ever 189 cladking 07-Apr-19 12:59
Re: Don't you ever 164 Martin Stower 07-Apr-19 16:37
Re: Don't you ever 177 cladking 03-Apr-19 01:25
Re: Egyptology debate 195 Corpuscles 02-Apr-19 21:06
Egyptology Owns the Low Road. 200 cladking 02-Apr-19 21:20
Re: Egyptology debate 257 Martin Stower 02-Apr-19 22:43
Re: Egyptology debate 228 Open mind 03-Apr-19 02:59
Re: Egyptology debate 229 Martin Stower 03-Apr-19 23:27
Re: Egyptology debate 215 Open mind 03-Apr-19 02:40
Re: Egyptology debate 188 Corpuscles 03-Apr-19 21:09
Re: Egyptology debate 166 cladking 03-Apr-19 22:00
Re: Egyptology debate 182 Corpuscles 03-Apr-19 22:40
Re: Egyptology debate 240 cladking 04-Apr-19 00:23
Re: Egyptology debate 194 Corpuscles 04-Apr-19 01:03
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 260 jamesglory 04-Apr-19 02:14
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 186 cladking 04-Apr-19 03:06
Two quick questions: 204 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 07:41
Re: Two quick questions: 178 cladking 04-Apr-19 13:36
So, there was spiritual belief 218 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 19:44
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 200 Corpuscles 04-Apr-19 20:01
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 205 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 20:24
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 198 cladking 04-Apr-19 21:07
Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 218 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 21:11
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 191 cladking 05-Apr-19 01:44
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 221 Corpuscles 05-Apr-19 02:22
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 203 cladking 05-Apr-19 02:44
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 182 Corpuscles 05-Apr-19 08:05
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 178 cladking 05-Apr-19 19:29
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 178 Corpuscles 05-Apr-19 22:44
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 168 cladking 06-Apr-19 00:44
Re: Bat$#!t crazy (n/t) 162 Corpuscles 06-Apr-19 06:06
Some Might Pay A Shilling 188 Barbelo 06-Apr-19 06:17
Re: Some Might Pay A Shilling 192 Corpuscles 06-Apr-19 09:00
The Telephone?? 189 Warwick 05-Apr-19 07:21
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 182 Corpuscles 04-Apr-19 21:57
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 177 cladking 04-Apr-19 21:00
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 160 cladking 04-Apr-19 20:54
You are completely mad! 203 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 21:09
Re: You are completely mad! 221 cladking 05-Apr-19 02:11
Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 169 eyeofhorus33 05-Apr-19 06:18
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 217 cladking 05-Apr-19 13:48
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 164 Warwick 05-Apr-19 15:59
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 154 cladking 05-Apr-19 16:29
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 149 Warwick 05-Apr-19 17:02
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 164 cladking 05-Apr-19 17:21
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 263 jamesglory 04-Apr-19 08:16
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 160 cladking 04-Apr-19 13:29
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 176 Warwick 04-Apr-19 15:34
Re: Egyptology debate 216 Open mind 05-Apr-19 01:40
Re: Egyptology debate 181 cladking 05-Apr-19 02:22
Re: Egyptology debate 184 Warwick 05-Apr-19 07:33
Re: Egyptology debate 193 Open mind 06-Apr-19 00:48
Re: Egyptology debate 189 Corpuscles 06-Apr-19 03:43
Re: Egyptology debate 186 Open mind 06-Apr-19 22:27
Re: Egyptology debate 179 Corpuscles 07-Apr-19 07:49
Re: Egyptology debate 166 Open mind 07-Apr-19 17:29
Re: Egyptology debate 171 Open mind 07-Apr-19 17:34
Re: Egyptology debate 183 Corpuscles 08-Apr-19 06:49
Re: Egyptology debate 191 eyeofhorus33 06-Apr-19 22:14
Re: Egyptology debate 184 Thanos5150 07-Apr-19 16:37
Re: Egyptology debate 187 eyeofhorus33 08-Apr-19 06:54
Re: Egyptology debate 173 Thanos5150 08-Apr-19 16:08
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Re: Having now caught up on the thread entire... 152 cladking 04-Apr-19 17:06
Re: Having now caught up on the thread entire... 165 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:10
Re: Having now caught up on the thread entire... 162 cladking 04-Apr-19 17:39
IOW's 170 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:42
Re: IOW's 160 cladking 04-Apr-19 18:54
Re: IOW's 201 Martin Stower 04-Apr-19 19:26
April Fools! 178 cladking 04-Apr-19 18:58
Re: April Fools! 199 Warwick 04-Apr-19 19:35
Re: April Fools! 206 Martin Stower 04-Apr-19 19:49
Re: April Fools! 200 cladking 04-Apr-19 20:31
Re: April Fools! 186 Martin Stower 08-Apr-19 11:18
Re: April Fools! 164 cladking 08-Apr-19 13:18
Re: April Fools! 256 Martin Stower 08-Apr-19 22:06
Re: April Fools! 188 Warwick 09-Apr-19 17:04
Re: April Fools! 190 cladking 09-Apr-19 19:55
Re: April Fools! 227 cladking 08-Apr-19 13:34
Reality? 158 Warwick 08-Apr-19 17:50
Here's Another Shilling 186 Barbelo 08-Apr-19 21:08
Talking out of both sides of your mouth again! 167 eyeofhorus33 09-Apr-19 20:41
Re: Talking out of both sides of your mouth again! 182 cladking 09-Apr-19 21:21
Re: Talking out of both sides of your mouth again! 155 cladking 09-Apr-19 21:38
In summation... 153 Warwick 10-Apr-19 17:11
Re: In summation... 154 cladking 10-Apr-19 17:33
Re: In summation... 186 Warwick 10-Apr-19 17:44
Re: In summation... 177 cladking 10-Apr-19 18:55
Re: In summation... 266 Warwick 11-Apr-19 18:30
Re: In summation... 158 Hanslune 11-Apr-19 14:37
Re: April Fools! 165 cladking 09-Apr-19 21:56
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