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I asked you: 'What might have prompted a people to cremate the dead body of their king atop the pyramid?'

You responded by writing:

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It was ritual. No more, no less.

Specifically it was the part of the rituals by which the king ascended to heaven to become a star and a memory and acquired its name. It's how the pyramid became the king himself (Khufu's Horizon).

The Pyramid Texts is quite clear on all of this.

So, let's unpick your understanding and interpretation:

You accept that cremation is a ritual. Good, I agree also that cremation is a ritual.

Your choice of word to define the function of the cremation is fascinating to me, for the precise meaning of this word is as follows: "a religious or solemn ceremony consisting of a series of actions performed according to a prescribed order."

But let's not get hung up on the idea of religious belief because, as we all know from your endless diatribes, there is no word for belief, irrespective of your own acknowledgement here of the physical manifestation of belief in this solemn cultural practice and ceremony.

Let us not get hung up on this trifling either though, for your made another comment which is also worthy of reflection:

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the king ascended to heaven to become a star

Now you are indisputably entangled in an articulation of spiritual belief because this is metaphor, poetry, a fantastical way to express the ascension of the life force, energy, matter or soul of the deceased king who is physically burning and turning to smoke. I say indisputable because smoke is not solid matter, it is not static and it does not shine. These highly intelligent builders knew this from their scientific observations of everyday fires: smoke dissipates in the air, it is gaseous in nature and it does not shine at night as a star does. The pyramid builders sat around fires often enough every night, keeping warm, to observe these scientific 'truths'.

So, the AE culture was steeped in the very solemn beliefs which you constantly claim are not a part of their language. The king 'ascended' into 'heaven' and became a 'star'. Listen to yourself!

Of course it was part of their language: it was enacted physically, expressed metaphorically and as your final comment on the matter I asked of your opinion, even you state:

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The Pyramid Texts is quite clear on all this.

I agree. See above.

Thank you.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04-Apr-19 19:53 by eyeofhorus33.

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Egyptology debate 1317 ptutaki@gmail.com 01-Apr-19 20:14
Re: Egyptology debate 376 cladking 01-Apr-19 22:02
Re: Egyptology debate 363 Martin Stower 01-Apr-19 22:30
Re: Egyptology debate 276 Brian Patterson 01-Apr-19 23:30
Re: Egyptology debate 286 cladking 02-Apr-19 00:12
Re: Egyptology debate 265 Open mind 02-Apr-19 01:50
Re: Egyptology debate 233 cladking 02-Apr-19 02:25
Re: Egyptology debate 251 Open mind 02-Apr-19 03:30
Re: Egyptology debate 285 cladking 02-Apr-19 03:43
Don't you ever 238 eyeofhorus33 02-Apr-19 17:04
Re: Don't you ever 198 cladking 02-Apr-19 19:39
Re: Don't you ever 287 Martin Stower 02-Apr-19 20:23
Re: Don't you ever 214 Corpuscles 02-Apr-19 20:38
Re: Don't you ever 196 eyeofhorus33 03-Apr-19 17:27
Re: Don't you ever 182 cladking 03-Apr-19 17:46
Re: Don't you ever 207 cladking 02-Apr-19 19:45
Re: Don't you ever 197 Thanos5150 02-Apr-19 23:31
Re: Don't you ever 168 Corpuscles 03-Apr-19 01:04
Re: Don't you ever 187 cladking 03-Apr-19 01:46
Re: Don't you ever 181 Warwick 04-Apr-19 15:56
Re: Don't you ever 155 cladking 04-Apr-19 16:58
Re: Don't you ever 157 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:07
Re: Don't you ever 179 cladking 04-Apr-19 17:29
Re: Don't you ever 171 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:45
Re: Don't you ever 194 Merrell 07-Apr-19 08:45
Re: Don't you ever 174 cladking 07-Apr-19 12:59
Re: Don't you ever 161 Martin Stower 07-Apr-19 16:37
Re: Don't you ever 173 cladking 03-Apr-19 01:25
Re: Egyptology debate 189 Corpuscles 02-Apr-19 21:06
Egyptology Owns the Low Road. 196 cladking 02-Apr-19 21:20
Re: Egyptology debate 254 Martin Stower 02-Apr-19 22:43
Re: Egyptology debate 224 Open mind 03-Apr-19 02:59
Re: Egyptology debate 225 Martin Stower 03-Apr-19 23:27
Re: Egyptology debate 211 Open mind 03-Apr-19 02:40
Re: Egyptology debate 184 Corpuscles 03-Apr-19 21:09
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Re: Egyptology debate 234 cladking 04-Apr-19 00:23
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Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 181 cladking 04-Apr-19 03:06
Two quick questions: 200 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 07:41
Re: Two quick questions: 174 cladking 04-Apr-19 13:36
So, there was spiritual belief 211 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 19:44
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 196 Corpuscles 04-Apr-19 20:01
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 201 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 20:24
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Some Might Pay A Shilling 185 Barbelo 06-Apr-19 06:17
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The Telephone?? 184 Warwick 05-Apr-19 07:21
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 178 Corpuscles 04-Apr-19 21:57
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 173 cladking 04-Apr-19 21:00
Re: So, there was spiritual belief 157 cladking 04-Apr-19 20:54
You are completely mad! 199 eyeofhorus33 04-Apr-19 21:09
Re: You are completely mad! 215 cladking 05-Apr-19 02:11
Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 162 eyeofhorus33 05-Apr-19 06:18
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 212 cladking 05-Apr-19 13:48
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 161 Warwick 05-Apr-19 15:59
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 150 cladking 05-Apr-19 16:29
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 145 Warwick 05-Apr-19 17:02
Re: Cladking provides more evidence of spiritual belief! 159 cladking 05-Apr-19 17:21
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 254 jamesglory 04-Apr-19 08:16
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 156 cladking 04-Apr-19 13:29
Re: Egyptology debate..Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt 171 Warwick 04-Apr-19 15:34
Re: Egyptology debate 213 Open mind 05-Apr-19 01:40
Re: Egyptology debate 177 cladking 05-Apr-19 02:22
Re: Egyptology debate 176 Warwick 05-Apr-19 07:33
Re: Egyptology debate 188 Open mind 06-Apr-19 00:48
Re: Egyptology debate 183 Corpuscles 06-Apr-19 03:43
Re: Egyptology debate 181 Open mind 06-Apr-19 22:27
Re: Egyptology debate 175 Corpuscles 07-Apr-19 07:49
Re: Egyptology debate 163 Open mind 07-Apr-19 17:29
Re: Egyptology debate 167 Open mind 07-Apr-19 17:34
Re: Egyptology debate 171 Corpuscles 08-Apr-19 06:49
Re: Egyptology debate 186 eyeofhorus33 06-Apr-19 22:14
Re: Egyptology debate 178 Thanos5150 07-Apr-19 16:37
Re: Egyptology debate 182 eyeofhorus33 08-Apr-19 06:54
Re: Egyptology debate 169 Thanos5150 08-Apr-19 16:08
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Re: Having now caught up on the thread entire... 157 cladking 04-Apr-19 17:39
IOW's 165 Warwick 04-Apr-19 17:42
Re: IOW's 155 cladking 04-Apr-19 18:54
Re: IOW's 197 Martin Stower 04-Apr-19 19:26
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Reality? 154 Warwick 08-Apr-19 17:50
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Talking out of both sides of your mouth again! 164 eyeofhorus33 09-Apr-19 20:41
Re: Talking out of both sides of your mouth again! 179 cladking 09-Apr-19 21:21
Re: Talking out of both sides of your mouth again! 150 cladking 09-Apr-19 21:38
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Re: April Fools! 161 cladking 09-Apr-19 21:56
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