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Thanos writes “Revising my earlier comment by a few centuries in light of more accurate information is hardly the stuff of "backpeddling", and regardless has no bearing on the point being made. Information I found of my own volition and offered voluntarily mind you. References that apparently do not rely on the Ebla tablets place the foundation of Harran at the end of the 3rd millennium and curiously newer sources still, like Graham, for some reason, ignore the Ebla tablets and cite the first mention of Harran in ancient texts being c. 2000BC as well. My interest is low regardless and no matter as the period offered by the archaeology for the founding of Harran at 2600-2400BC is just as well and accommodates the Ebla tablets.”

Thanos, you are the one who began the quibbling here, also the one who backpedalled on your very blunt statement of fact – yes, that is the term for it. I see that you are continuing. By the way, I did not oblige you to respond to this thread in any shape or form and off-the-cuff ‘offerings' are generally ill-advised. I also note that you use Graham Hancock in the references that you mention here – do you have the page number? Curious that you should quote him when I did not. By the way, it was a difference between the end of the 3rd millennium and the middle, making 500 years or even, according to my Sumerian reference, the beginning of that millennium which brings us to 1,000 years. Quite a lot of exchange can happen in that time. “a few centuries”? How about ten? But it seems that this now has no importance - which is fine.

“My interest is low regardless”
Which, in my experience, makes for sloppy work and begs the question of why you responded in the first place.

“But to the Egyptians...? Why and if so surely there must be some contemporary evidence to support this being true? Yes, it was a "crossroads", but at this time in particular for the Mediterranean and the Levant to Mesopotamia and Anatolia. Whatever connection between Egypt and the Harran area during the pyramid age (or earlier) would more than likely be indirect through Byblos by sea and southern Palestine by land- both proxies for a further connection with Northern Syria, which would include Ebla mind you.”

Well, I could just reply “Why not? Why would there not have been people visiting and trading throughout those lands, visiting first one place, then another?” Unless there is a misunderstanding between us and you think I’m suggesting that they always and only moved in a straight line... that was the Great Pyramid ship, if you can cast your mind back to the original subject, and the orientation of it would constitute a more sophisticated message! I’m beginning to understand that something in the narrative here cannot stand for too much fluidity. I don’t doubt that you have studied your particular subject of the Levant with great assiduity, but given the information from Arabian sources, might there not have long been some particular reason to travel between Harran and Egypt, some particular intangible asset that one or the other or both had in their possession – knowledge of astrology, alchemy, sacred geometry for example? Yes, it is difficult and perhaps impossible to prove beyond quoting those sources, but so is the theory that there was no communication between the two places in the 3rd millennium. No-one is asking you to believe it.

“Unless I missed something, what you said is that you believe you have found evidence of Harran, not the "Sabians", dating to this time:”

I give up on contesting what you seem to want to make me say. I rarely use the term “I believe” unless accompanied by my reasoning. As you are not really interested (yawn, yawn), I don’t invite you to re-read what I wrote. The evidence concerning Harran is in Sumerian dictionaries. The evidence concerning the Sabians (if they are indeed the pagan ŠA-BI of Mesopotamia) is in my own translation with their -possibly later - existence also noted throughout a variety of secondary, thus precarious, sources. Your obviously contemptuous quote about me taking my facts from Magicians of the Gods says it all. As it happens, I’m surprised that Graham would have missed the Ebla information. His work is very carefully and abundantly referenced.

Madeleine



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The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 3840 MDaines 22-Feb-19 09:52
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Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 534 MDaines 23-Feb-19 18:01
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Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 494 Eddie Larry 22-Feb-19 18:39
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Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 509 MDaines 23-Feb-19 07:40
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 449 cladking 23-Feb-19 14:28
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 475 MDaines 23-Feb-19 15:23
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 399 cladking 02-Mar-19 16:31
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 441 Eddie Larry 23-Feb-19 16:24
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 443 Spiros 25-Feb-19 00:41
On the subject of Zechariah Sitchin 523 MDaines 25-Feb-19 14:49
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The Exalted Sumero-Greek EN 423 MDaines 04-Mar-19 18:24
A Big Ask 496 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Feb-19 01:27
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Re: A Big Ask 416 Thanos5150 28-Feb-19 03:33
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Re: A Big Ask 391 MDaines 28-Feb-19 18:08
Heliopolis 541 Barbelo 28-Feb-19 20:18
Midpoint Sunrise-Sunset 479 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Mar-19 23:56
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Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 431 MDaines 27-Feb-19 12:06
Three Wise Men 429 MDaines 02-Mar-19 15:31
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Harran and the Sabians 496 MDaines 03-Mar-19 08:33
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Re: Harran and the Sabians 395 Thanos5150 06-Mar-19 01:50
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Re: Harran and the Sabians 363 Thanos5150 07-Mar-19 02:09
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On the subject of Ebla and the Feather of Truth 388 MDaines 08-Mar-19 08:57
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 454 Broker 14-Mar-19 03:25
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 370 MDaines 17-Mar-19 09:11
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 379 SandyJesse 18-Apr-19 04:33
Celestial navigation and the ship 363 MDaines 23-Apr-19 07:21
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Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 352 seasmith 03-May-19 22:24
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Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 311 hendrik dirker 18-Jun-19 06:59
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Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 282 MDaines 15-May-19 11:00
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 339 Horatech 15-May-19 12:10
To Easter Island? 299 MDaines 15-May-19 18:10
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Re: To Easter Island? 307 MDaines 17-May-19 11:41
What A Shame 299 Barbelo 17-May-19 21:14
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Great Circles and Small Circles 605 Dr. Troglodyte 18-May-19 17:34
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 330 MDaines 18-May-19 19:09
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 295 Dr. Troglodyte 19-May-19 17:07
Going Round in Circles and then to Easter Island? 337 MDaines 19-May-19 18:10
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Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 330 Horatech 20-May-19 07:33
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Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 344 MDaines 23-May-19 07:51
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 339 Horatech 23-May-19 10:48
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 306 MDaines 23-May-19 17:07
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 345 Horatech 24-May-19 08:12
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 335 Dr. Troglodyte 23-May-19 16:05
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 328 MDaines 23-May-19 17:05
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 350 Dr. Troglodyte 23-May-19 17:31
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 386 Horatech 27-May-19 10:30
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Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 311 MDaines 16-May-19 06:14
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Sometimes I go the long way round… 335 drew 17-May-19 00:59


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