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Thanos writes “Occupation of the site goes back the the 6th millennium. The city of Harran by all accounts was established in the 3rd millennium. Clear archaeological remains of the city to my knowledge were not found dating to before the mid 3rd millennium and Harran appears to be part of a wave of rapid urbanization that appeared across Mesopotamia at this time. "Late 3rd millennium" is better replaced with just "3rd millennium" or "mid 3rd millennium".

It was your statement about Harran being founded in the late 3rd millennium that needed substantiating – which I notice you have now backpedalled on. I assume that you know Harran was deliberately erased and that there’s nothing of any great age, making the lack of archaeological remains a poor argument for dating.


“I assume you are getting this line of thinking from Magicians of the Gods.”

What a strange assumption to make, Thanos, and it sounds vaguely contemptuous. This is what I wrote: The Syrian Ebla tablets gave Harran as ‘a crossroads for trade in the Middle East’ at around 2300 BC. It would have been active well before that if it was already known far and wide as a crossroads. In fact, its very position along with this description would no doubt mean that Harran was in full contact with Egypt in the 3rd millennia, if not before. The above is the result of logic, not parroting. The subject of the Sabians of Harran and their wisdom schools is not new and, since translating the Sumerian symbols and visiting the region, I find it all the more fascinating.

“Regardless, why does this mean it would have been in contact with Egypt? Harran: (shows helpful map of the Middle East.)”

Perhaps because people travelled and traded, and Harran was a crossroads, a well-known trade route…. oh, I already said that, didn’t I? I could add that I have reason to believe they made some damn good beer, that the homeland beer of the ŠA-BI was renowned even!

“Regardless, this all quite a stretch and more of a means to an end to make the Sabians somehow relevant to a more ancient time which otherwise they are not.”

It seems to me that your desire for an impenetrable border between the two regions from 3000 BC until 700 BC is by far the greatest stretch - to what end? I don't know. As for the Sabians, once again and as you must have read, it was the result of my own translating that leads me to believe they were indeed around as early as 2600 BC. Never mind.

Madeleine



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Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 576 Thanos5150 22-Feb-19 16:15
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 437 MDaines 23-Feb-19 18:01
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 431 Thanos5150 24-Feb-19 03:06
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 403 Eddie Larry 22-Feb-19 18:39
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 402 cladking 22-Feb-19 20:12
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 409 MDaines 23-Feb-19 07:40
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 356 cladking 23-Feb-19 14:28
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 365 MDaines 23-Feb-19 15:23
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 306 cladking 02-Mar-19 16:31
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 348 Eddie Larry 23-Feb-19 16:24
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 352 Spiros 25-Feb-19 00:41
On the subject of Zechariah Sitchin 410 MDaines 25-Feb-19 14:49
Re: On the subject of Zechariah Sitchin 323 Spiros 04-Mar-19 01:11
The Exalted Sumero-Greek EN 332 MDaines 04-Mar-19 18:24
A Big Ask 398 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Feb-19 01:27
Re: A Big Ask 320 MDaines 26-Feb-19 14:25
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Re: A Big Ask 288 MDaines 01-Mar-19 18:35
Re: A Big Ask 288 Barbelo 01-Mar-19 21:42
Re: A Big Ask 318 Thanos5150 28-Feb-19 03:33
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Re: A Big Ask 290 MDaines 28-Feb-19 18:08
Heliopolis 307 Barbelo 28-Feb-19 20:18
Midpoint Sunrise-Sunset 382 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Mar-19 23:56
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Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 330 MDaines 27-Feb-19 12:06
Three Wise Men 285 MDaines 02-Mar-19 15:31
Re: Three Wise Men 282 Thanos5150 02-Mar-19 17:05
Harran and the Sabians 347 MDaines 03-Mar-19 08:33
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Re: Harran and the Sabians 261 Thanos5150 07-Mar-19 02:09
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Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 342 Broker 14-Mar-19 03:25
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 280 MDaines 17-Mar-19 09:11
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 296 SandyJesse 18-Apr-19 04:33
Celestial navigation and the ship 267 MDaines 23-Apr-19 07:21
Re: Celestial navigation and the ship 269 SandyJesse 25-Apr-19 01:50
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Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 240 seasmith 03-May-19 22:24
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Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 218 hendrik dirker 18-Jun-19 06:59
movement of Sun along horizon 180 hendrik dirker 19-Jun-19 16:23
Solstice & the epoch1250 BC 345 hendrik dirker 20-Jun-19 07:02
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 202 MDaines 15-May-19 11:00
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 219 Horatech 15-May-19 12:10
To Easter Island? 216 MDaines 15-May-19 18:10
Re: To Easter Island? 211 Horatech 16-May-19 06:56
Re: To Easter Island? 203 Horatech 16-May-19 23:48
Re: To Easter Island? 240 Horatech 17-May-19 06:25
Re: To Easter Island? 186 Barbelo 17-May-19 10:53
Re: To Easter Island? 222 MDaines 17-May-19 11:41
What A Shame 205 Barbelo 17-May-19 21:14
Re: What A Shame 223 MDaines 18-May-19 07:57
Great Circles and Small Circles 229 Dr. Troglodyte 18-May-19 17:34
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 234 MDaines 18-May-19 19:09
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 205 Dr. Troglodyte 19-May-19 17:07
Going Round in Circles and then to Easter Island? 250 MDaines 19-May-19 18:10
Re: Going Round in Circles and then to Easter Island? 229 Horatech 25-May-19 10:53
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 222 Horatech 20-May-19 07:33
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 201 Horatech 21-May-19 09:52
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 254 Dr. Troglodyte 21-May-19 18:30
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 263 MDaines 23-May-19 07:51
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 229 Horatech 23-May-19 10:48
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 219 MDaines 23-May-19 17:07
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 230 Horatech 24-May-19 08:12
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 251 Dr. Troglodyte 23-May-19 16:05
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 233 MDaines 23-May-19 17:05
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 260 Dr. Troglodyte 23-May-19 17:31
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 275 Horatech 27-May-19 10:30
Re: What A Shame 207 Barbelo 19-May-19 20:48
Re: To Easter Island? 199 Horatech 18-May-19 09:28
Re: To Easter Island? 188 Eddie Larry 17-May-19 15:11
Re: To Easter Island? 194 Horatech 18-May-19 14:58
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 218 drew 15-May-19 23:57
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 217 MDaines 16-May-19 06:14
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 203 drew 16-May-19 06:42
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Re: ps 233 Thanos5150 16-May-19 16:06
Re: ps 228 Barbelo 16-May-19 21:00
Sometimes I go the long way round… 248 drew 17-May-19 00:59


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