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Thanos writes “Occupation of the site goes back the the 6th millennium. The city of Harran by all accounts was established in the 3rd millennium. Clear archaeological remains of the city to my knowledge were not found dating to before the mid 3rd millennium and Harran appears to be part of a wave of rapid urbanization that appeared across Mesopotamia at this time. "Late 3rd millennium" is better replaced with just "3rd millennium" or "mid 3rd millennium".

It was your statement about Harran being founded in the late 3rd millennium that needed substantiating – which I notice you have now backpedalled on. I assume that you know Harran was deliberately erased and that there’s nothing of any great age, making the lack of archaeological remains a poor argument for dating.


“I assume you are getting this line of thinking from Magicians of the Gods.”

What a strange assumption to make, Thanos, and it sounds vaguely contemptuous. This is what I wrote: The Syrian Ebla tablets gave Harran as ‘a crossroads for trade in the Middle East’ at around 2300 BC. It would have been active well before that if it was already known far and wide as a crossroads. In fact, its very position along with this description would no doubt mean that Harran was in full contact with Egypt in the 3rd millennia, if not before. The above is the result of logic, not parroting. The subject of the Sabians of Harran and their wisdom schools is not new and, since translating the Sumerian symbols and visiting the region, I find it all the more fascinating.

“Regardless, why does this mean it would have been in contact with Egypt? Harran: (shows helpful map of the Middle East.)”

Perhaps because people travelled and traded, and Harran was a crossroads, a well-known trade route…. oh, I already said that, didn’t I? I could add that I have reason to believe they made some damn good beer, that the homeland beer of the ŠA-BI was renowned even!

“Regardless, this all quite a stretch and more of a means to an end to make the Sabians somehow relevant to a more ancient time which otherwise they are not.”

It seems to me that your desire for an impenetrable border between the two regions from 3000 BC until 700 BC is by far the greatest stretch - to what end? I don't know. As for the Sabians, once again and as you must have read, it was the result of my own translating that leads me to believe they were indeed around as early as 2600 BC. Never mind.

Madeleine



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The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 3828 MDaines 22-Feb-19 09:52
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 681 Thanos5150 22-Feb-19 16:15
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 523 MDaines 23-Feb-19 18:01
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 517 Thanos5150 24-Feb-19 03:06
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 487 Eddie Larry 22-Feb-19 18:39
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 523 cladking 22-Feb-19 20:12
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 501 MDaines 23-Feb-19 07:40
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 443 cladking 23-Feb-19 14:28
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 465 MDaines 23-Feb-19 15:23
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 393 cladking 02-Mar-19 16:31
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 434 Eddie Larry 23-Feb-19 16:24
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 435 Spiros 25-Feb-19 00:41
On the subject of Zechariah Sitchin 513 MDaines 25-Feb-19 14:49
Re: On the subject of Zechariah Sitchin 404 Spiros 04-Mar-19 01:11
The Exalted Sumero-Greek EN 416 MDaines 04-Mar-19 18:24
A Big Ask 490 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Feb-19 01:27
Re: A Big Ask 403 MDaines 26-Feb-19 14:25
Re: A Big Ask 503 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Feb-19 17:14
Re: A Big Ask 388 MDaines 26-Feb-19 19:30
Re: A Big Ask 395 Barbelo 26-Feb-19 20:23
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Re: A Big Ask 388 MDaines 01-Mar-19 18:35
Re: A Big Ask 374 Barbelo 01-Mar-19 21:42
Re: A Big Ask 408 Thanos5150 28-Feb-19 03:33
Re: A Big Ask 384 Thanos5150 28-Feb-19 17:11
Re: A Big Ask 383 MDaines 28-Feb-19 18:08
Heliopolis 501 Barbelo 28-Feb-19 20:18
Midpoint Sunrise-Sunset 473 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Mar-19 23:56
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Re: Midpoint Sunrise-Sunset 463 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Mar-19 16:41
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 469 molder 26-Feb-19 21:23
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 424 MDaines 27-Feb-19 12:06
Three Wise Men 421 MDaines 02-Mar-19 15:31
Re: Three Wise Men 390 Thanos5150 02-Mar-19 17:05
Harran and the Sabians 488 MDaines 03-Mar-19 08:33
Re: Harran and the Sabians 541 Thanos5150 03-Mar-19 16:40
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Re: Harran and the Sabians 383 Thanos5150 06-Mar-19 01:50
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Re: Harran and the Sabians 357 Thanos5150 07-Mar-19 02:09
Re: Harran and the Sabians 386 MDaines 07-Mar-19 08:20
On the subject of Ebla and the Feather of Truth 381 MDaines 08-Mar-19 08:57
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 443 Broker 14-Mar-19 03:25
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 356 MDaines 17-Mar-19 09:11
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 372 SandyJesse 18-Apr-19 04:33
Celestial navigation and the ship 356 MDaines 23-Apr-19 07:21
Re: Celestial navigation and the ship 362 SandyJesse 25-Apr-19 01:50
Re: Celestial navigation and the ship 389 SandyJesse 30-Apr-19 05:16
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 344 seasmith 03-May-19 22:24
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 316 MDaines 04-May-19 08:28
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 398 seasmith 05-May-19 01:39
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Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 253 Barbelo 18-Jun-19 02:43
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 303 hendrik dirker 18-Jun-19 06:59
movement of Sun along horizon 255 hendrik dirker 19-Jun-19 16:23
Solstice & the epoch1250 BC 488 hendrik dirker 20-Jun-19 07:02
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 276 MDaines 15-May-19 11:00
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 328 Horatech 15-May-19 12:10
To Easter Island? 292 MDaines 15-May-19 18:10
Re: To Easter Island? 309 Horatech 16-May-19 06:56
Re: To Easter Island? 309 Horatech 16-May-19 23:48
Re: To Easter Island? 352 Horatech 17-May-19 06:25
Re: To Easter Island? 272 Barbelo 17-May-19 10:53
Re: To Easter Island? 298 MDaines 17-May-19 11:41
What A Shame 291 Barbelo 17-May-19 21:14
Re: What A Shame 302 MDaines 18-May-19 07:57
Great Circles and Small Circles 590 Dr. Troglodyte 18-May-19 17:34
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 324 MDaines 18-May-19 19:09
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 289 Dr. Troglodyte 19-May-19 17:07
Going Round in Circles and then to Easter Island? 331 MDaines 19-May-19 18:10
Re: Going Round in Circles and then to Easter Island? 342 Horatech 25-May-19 10:53
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 322 Horatech 20-May-19 07:33
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 304 Horatech 21-May-19 09:52
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 354 Dr. Troglodyte 21-May-19 18:30
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 338 MDaines 23-May-19 07:51
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 331 Horatech 23-May-19 10:48
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 299 MDaines 23-May-19 17:07
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 337 Horatech 24-May-19 08:12
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 328 Dr. Troglodyte 23-May-19 16:05
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 319 MDaines 23-May-19 17:05
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 342 Dr. Troglodyte 23-May-19 17:31
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 377 Horatech 27-May-19 10:30
Re: What A Shame 288 Barbelo 19-May-19 20:48
Re: To Easter Island? 310 Horatech 18-May-19 09:28
Re: To Easter Island? 265 Eddie Larry 17-May-19 15:11
Re: To Easter Island? 302 Horatech 18-May-19 14:58
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 300 drew 15-May-19 23:57
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 300 MDaines 16-May-19 06:14
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 295 drew 16-May-19 06:42
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Re: ps 317 Thanos5150 16-May-19 16:06
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Sometimes I go the long way round… 329 drew 17-May-19 00:59


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