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Thanos writes “Occupation of the site goes back the the 6th millennium. The city of Harran by all accounts was established in the 3rd millennium. Clear archaeological remains of the city to my knowledge were not found dating to before the mid 3rd millennium and Harran appears to be part of a wave of rapid urbanization that appeared across Mesopotamia at this time. "Late 3rd millennium" is better replaced with just "3rd millennium" or "mid 3rd millennium".

It was your statement about Harran being founded in the late 3rd millennium that needed substantiating – which I notice you have now backpedalled on. I assume that you know Harran was deliberately erased and that there’s nothing of any great age, making the lack of archaeological remains a poor argument for dating.


“I assume you are getting this line of thinking from Magicians of the Gods.”

What a strange assumption to make, Thanos, and it sounds vaguely contemptuous. This is what I wrote: The Syrian Ebla tablets gave Harran as ‘a crossroads for trade in the Middle East’ at around 2300 BC. It would have been active well before that if it was already known far and wide as a crossroads. In fact, its very position along with this description would no doubt mean that Harran was in full contact with Egypt in the 3rd millennia, if not before. The above is the result of logic, not parroting. The subject of the Sabians of Harran and their wisdom schools is not new and, since translating the Sumerian symbols and visiting the region, I find it all the more fascinating.

“Regardless, why does this mean it would have been in contact with Egypt? Harran: (shows helpful map of the Middle East.)”

Perhaps because people travelled and traded, and Harran was a crossroads, a well-known trade route…. oh, I already said that, didn’t I? I could add that I have reason to believe they made some damn good beer, that the homeland beer of the ŠA-BI was renowned even!

“Regardless, this all quite a stretch and more of a means to an end to make the Sabians somehow relevant to a more ancient time which otherwise they are not.”

It seems to me that your desire for an impenetrable border between the two regions from 3000 BC until 700 BC is by far the greatest stretch - to what end? I don't know. As for the Sabians, once again and as you must have read, it was the result of my own translating that leads me to believe they were indeed around as early as 2600 BC. Never mind.

Madeleine



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The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 3801 MDaines 22-Feb-19 09:52
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 664 Thanos5150 22-Feb-19 16:15
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 511 MDaines 23-Feb-19 18:01
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 508 Thanos5150 24-Feb-19 03:06
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 476 Eddie Larry 22-Feb-19 18:39
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 513 cladking 22-Feb-19 20:12
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 489 MDaines 23-Feb-19 07:40
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 432 cladking 23-Feb-19 14:28
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 451 MDaines 23-Feb-19 15:23
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 383 cladking 02-Mar-19 16:31
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 422 Eddie Larry 23-Feb-19 16:24
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 424 Spiros 25-Feb-19 00:41
On the subject of Zechariah Sitchin 490 MDaines 25-Feb-19 14:49
Re: On the subject of Zechariah Sitchin 393 Spiros 04-Mar-19 01:11
The Exalted Sumero-Greek EN 403 MDaines 04-Mar-19 18:24
A Big Ask 480 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Feb-19 01:27
Re: A Big Ask 392 MDaines 26-Feb-19 14:25
Re: A Big Ask 490 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Feb-19 17:14
Re: A Big Ask 379 MDaines 26-Feb-19 19:30
Re: A Big Ask 381 Barbelo 26-Feb-19 20:23
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Re: A Big Ask 344 MDaines 28-Feb-19 14:05
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Re: A Big Ask 410 Thanos5150 01-Mar-19 00:46
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Re: A Weird Ask 441 Thanos5150 02-Mar-19 05:12
Re: A Weird Ask 478 Barbelo 02-Mar-19 07:06
Re: A Big Ask 369 MDaines 01-Mar-19 18:35
Re: A Big Ask 365 Barbelo 01-Mar-19 21:42
Re: A Big Ask 395 Thanos5150 28-Feb-19 03:33
Re: A Big Ask 373 Thanos5150 28-Feb-19 17:11
Re: A Big Ask 371 MDaines 28-Feb-19 18:08
Heliopolis 442 Barbelo 28-Feb-19 20:18
Midpoint Sunrise-Sunset 460 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Mar-19 23:56
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Re: Midpoint Sunrise-Sunset 393 Dr. Troglodyte 12-Mar-19 00:17
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Re: Midpoint Sunrise-Sunset 452 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Mar-19 16:41
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 420 molder 26-Feb-19 21:23
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 413 MDaines 27-Feb-19 12:06
Three Wise Men 399 MDaines 02-Mar-19 15:31
Re: Three Wise Men 380 Thanos5150 02-Mar-19 17:05
Harran and the Sabians 468 MDaines 03-Mar-19 08:33
Re: Harran and the Sabians 515 Thanos5150 03-Mar-19 16:40
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Re: Harran and the Sabians 373 Thanos5150 06-Mar-19 01:50
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Re: Harran and the Sabians 345 Thanos5150 07-Mar-19 02:09
Re: Harran and the Sabians 374 MDaines 07-Mar-19 08:20
On the subject of Ebla and the Feather of Truth 369 MDaines 08-Mar-19 08:57
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 426 Broker 14-Mar-19 03:25
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 346 MDaines 17-Mar-19 09:11
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 363 SandyJesse 18-Apr-19 04:33
Celestial navigation and the ship 344 MDaines 23-Apr-19 07:21
Re: Celestial navigation and the ship 347 SandyJesse 25-Apr-19 01:50
Re: Celestial navigation and the ship 346 SandyJesse 30-Apr-19 05:16
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 321 seasmith 03-May-19 22:24
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 303 MDaines 04-May-19 08:28
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 361 seasmith 05-May-19 01:39
BEFORE BABEL The Crystal Tongue 377 MDaines 09-May-19 09:46
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Re: BEFORE BABEL The Crystal Tongue 306 SandyJesse 16-May-19 03:19
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 275 drew 15-May-19 01:21
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 260 Barbelo 15-May-19 10:48
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 308 drew 15-May-19 23:59
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Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 244 drew 18-Jun-19 02:15
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 239 Barbelo 18-Jun-19 02:43
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 293 hendrik dirker 18-Jun-19 06:59
movement of Sun along horizon 245 hendrik dirker 19-Jun-19 16:23
Solstice & the epoch1250 BC 474 hendrik dirker 20-Jun-19 07:02
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 265 MDaines 15-May-19 11:00
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 309 Horatech 15-May-19 12:10
To Easter Island? 280 MDaines 15-May-19 18:10
Re: To Easter Island? 287 Horatech 16-May-19 06:56
Re: To Easter Island? 291 Horatech 16-May-19 23:48
Re: To Easter Island? 332 Horatech 17-May-19 06:25
Re: To Easter Island? 262 Barbelo 17-May-19 10:53
Re: To Easter Island? 287 MDaines 17-May-19 11:41
What A Shame 279 Barbelo 17-May-19 21:14
Re: What A Shame 291 MDaines 18-May-19 07:57
Great Circles and Small Circles 528 Dr. Troglodyte 18-May-19 17:34
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 314 MDaines 18-May-19 19:09
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 277 Dr. Troglodyte 19-May-19 17:07
Going Round in Circles and then to Easter Island? 319 MDaines 19-May-19 18:10
Re: Going Round in Circles and then to Easter Island? 322 Horatech 25-May-19 10:53
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 303 Horatech 20-May-19 07:33
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 282 Horatech 21-May-19 09:52
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 339 Dr. Troglodyte 21-May-19 18:30
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 328 MDaines 23-May-19 07:51
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 311 Horatech 23-May-19 10:48
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 287 MDaines 23-May-19 17:07
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 316 Horatech 24-May-19 08:12
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 318 Dr. Troglodyte 23-May-19 16:05
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 307 MDaines 23-May-19 17:05
Re: Great Circles, Small Circles, Easter Island 331 Dr. Troglodyte 23-May-19 17:31
Re: Great Circles and Small Circles and Easter Island 359 Horatech 27-May-19 10:30
Re: What A Shame 275 Barbelo 19-May-19 20:48
Re: To Easter Island? 292 Horatech 18-May-19 09:28
Re: To Easter Island? 252 Eddie Larry 17-May-19 15:11
Re: To Easter Island? 282 Horatech 18-May-19 14:58
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 289 drew 15-May-19 23:57
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 290 MDaines 16-May-19 06:14
Re: The Three Stone Ships from the East - of the Giza Plateau 284 drew 16-May-19 06:42
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Re: ps 306 Thanos5150 16-May-19 16:06
Re: ps 297 Barbelo 16-May-19 21:00
Sometimes I go the long way round… 318 drew 17-May-19 00:59


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