Mysteries :  The Official GrahamHancock.com forums
For serious discussion of the controversies, approaches and enigmas surrounding the origins and development of the human species and of human civilization. (NB: for more ‘out there’ posts we point you in the direction of the ‘Paranormal & Supernatural’ Message Board). 
Welcome! Log InRegister
Quote
Scott
As you know, in approx 12,960 years the Belt stars will precess from maximum culmination to minimum culmination and then a further 12,960 years (approx) to return from min culmination back to max culmination. And on and on it goes, like a pendulum, swinging between max and min culmination.

I realise your interpreration infers the traditional axial 'wobble' associated with precession, whereby the phenomenon is perceived in terms of the horizon-level undergoing a see-saw-effect against the background sky. The only actual pendulum action however, is Earth's perturbed axis incurring variable obliquity in the course of true Polar wander, thereby slanting 14° & 58° -- diametrically (Virgo-Pisces) opposed -- w.r.t. the pole of the ecliptic, hence min.& max. inclination. Inversely, the product thereof is min.& max. culmination of celestial objects at meridian transit - observed in context of the vertical plane, the apparent perpendicular 'height' of celestial objects respective the horizon, vary over long periods of time. Given their rising & setting locations change and the subsequent arc across the sky is accordingly greater or lesser, therby effectively 'sliding' higher or lower. All the aforementioned is the consequence of a singular motion: Earth's retrograde rotation*, in combination with the polar axis incurring obliquity variance - the latter also a product thereof.

Significantly capturing the midway turn-around of the cycle (two instances - 13 millennia apart), the azimuth targetting of the equator by G3 Causeway -- alternately and concurrent with 180° equinox reversal -- respectively align with the Zodiac constellations Gemini & Sagittarius. Thereby, remarkably, providing both stellar and Solar references in commemoration of two events: max.obliquity / min.culmination in the era 14.210 BC and 13 millennia hence, min.obliquity \ max.culmination, in 1.250 BC.

* The direction of precessional motion is unswayed, not 'to & fro' but continually clockwise respective the North Pole - Earth rotating rearward, W.S.West, therefore the progression of the sky is continuous, E.N.East. In context of elementary reference-framework concerning the Belt star asterism, its slant essentially varies, thereby moving out of kilter respective the correlating diagonal comprising the Giza pyramid-group. The 'fix in time', provided by the founders, is when those two components achieve 'lock-on' (that ought to occupy you for some time to come :-D) Perplexity and chaotic speculation oozes from this post...

Quote
SC
...to establish a specific date we need to know four things:

1) The date of max culmination of Orion's Belt.
2) The date of min culmination of Orion's Belt.
3) The correct intersection point on the Lehner-Goedicke Line (Precession Timeline).
4) The direction of the precessional motion at the time the Gizamids were planned/built. This is absolutely crucial.

If I can just elaborate on point 4 above for a moment. We need to know if the precessional motion of the Belt stars was moving from Max to Min culmination (G1 Queens to G3 Queens) OR from Min to Max culmination (G3 Queens to G1 Queens). Knowing this will then allow us to determine the dates of the two culminations. This is to say that if the precessional motion of the Belt stars was (at the time the pyramids were planned/built) moving from max to min culmination then that means the G1 Queens (max culmination markers) cannot be 2,500 AD because the Belt stars will not precess in this direction (max to min) until after 2,500 AD when the pendulum swing changes direction.

This is to say that the current precessional motion of the Orion Belt stars is moving from min to max culmination (G3 Queens to G1 Queens)...
We can ONLY answer this question by knowing the direction the Belt stars were precessing when the Gizamids were planned/built...


Unconventional, your clock-face method of aproach is cause for much consternation regarding the direction the quirky clock is meant to be ticking... (how on Earth pre-flight capable people are supposed to tell the time thereby, only Heaven knows :o) Short of providing you with a construction date, the fundamentals designated here, I trust, will otherwise help to ward off some bewildering speculations. The underlying function of the complex is not to inform us when it was constructed - the design of Giza, uniquevocally captures 1.250 BC (obtained from my crystal ball of course ;-) Whether chronology of Egyptian history compiled by authorities is also in confusion, I cannot say, however, for technologically smart 'designer-builders' construction, pre-flood or c.2500 BC - regardless, such need not at all be contemporous with the time it depicts...


Quote
Scott Creighton
But LOOK - there's a FOURTH point also right on that circle and it is the NE corner of G1.
Now it is entirely speculation on my part here but this may be the marker we need...

It may well be our lucky day then... NE corner of GP -- Obelisk in Heliopolis

Astronomical alignments of Giza & the original intended tangent points to the true Giza circle elucidates the underlying function of the pyramids. The invaluable derivative obtainable from the device and which our specie ignore at great peril, is the pending... max.obliquity / min.culmination in 11710 AD -i.e. the peak... needless to say, save for our friend's confusion, we are headed toward it - undeniably substantiated by nature: glacial retreat = rising sea level.

profusely edited for succinct clarity :-)



Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 14-Jul-19 10:02 by hendrik dirker.

Options: ReplyQuote


Subject Views Written By Posted
O C T allegation. . . clarification? 2820 PB Bytes 11-Jan-19 00:21
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 656 Scott Creighton 11-Jan-19 09:41
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 466 PB Bytes 11-Jan-19 14:45
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 472 cladking 11-Jan-19 14:57
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 534 gjb 11-Jan-19 16:45
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 548 Scott Creighton 11-Jan-19 17:12
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 523 PB Bytes 11-Jan-19 17:22
clarification of the OCT 374 hendrik dirker 26-Jun-19 11:17
Re: clarification of the OCT 261 rulebook54 29-Jun-19 11:46
what story? 230 hendrik dirker 02-Jul-19 14:00
Re: clarification of the OCT 222 Spiros 29-Jun-19 15:17
stars = mountains = pyramids 247 hendrik dirker 30-Jun-19 06:53
Re: stars = mountains = pyramids 240 hendrik dirker 02-Jul-19 10:13
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 478 Lee McGiffen 15-Jan-19 11:53
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 587 Scott Creighton 15-Jan-19 14:12
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 412 Spiros 18-Jan-19 18:01
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 427 PB Bytes 18-Jan-19 21:04
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 463 Scott Creighton 18-Jan-19 22:20
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 509 Martin Stower 18-Jan-19 23:30
Different dates 458 Morten 19-Jan-19 11:23
Re: Different dates 467 Scott Creighton 19-Jan-19 11:42
Re: Different dates 452 Morten 19-Jan-19 13:43
Re: Different dates 446 Martin Stower 19-Jan-19 17:50
Re: Different dates 376 Morten 19-Jan-19 19:12
Re: Different dates 371 Scott Creighton 19-Jan-19 22:39
Re: Different dates 416 Morten 19-Jan-19 23:08
Re: Different dates 415 Scott Creighton 20-Jan-19 11:22
Re: Different dates 472 Morten 20-Jan-19 11:48
Re: Different dates 455 Scott Creighton 20-Jan-19 12:14
Re: Different dates 371 Morten 20-Jan-19 14:09
Re: Different dates 402 Martin Stower 20-Jan-19 14:32
an evolving theory... 333 hendrik dirker 09-Jun-19 08:12
evolving... 295 hendrik dirker 22-Jun-19 10:42
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 410 Spiros 19-Jan-19 02:05
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 486 R Avry Wilson 16-Jan-19 19:20
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 392 engbren 16-Jan-19 22:47
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 434 PB Bytes 18-Jan-19 01:58
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 428 R Avry Wilson 19-Jan-19 19:06
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 395 PB Bytes 19-Jan-19 19:24
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 384 PB Bytes 19-Jan-19 20:06
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 384 R Avry Wilson 19-Jan-19 23:17
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 374 PB Bytes 20-Jan-19 00:45
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 431 Scott Creighton 20-Jan-19 14:04
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 389 Martin Stower 20-Jan-19 14:40
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 340 PB Bytes 20-Jan-19 17:23
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 491 Scott Creighton 20-Jan-19 17:42
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 332 Warwick 20-Jan-19 18:41
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 341 PB Bytes 20-Jan-19 19:04
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 385 Scott Creighton 20-Jan-19 19:32
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 359 PB Bytes 20-Jan-19 23:55
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 412 R Avry Wilson 20-Jan-19 19:19
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 349 Scott Creighton 20-Jan-19 19:27
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 361 R Avry Wilson 20-Jan-19 20:28
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 396 Scott Creighton 20-Jan-19 20:45
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 369 R Avry Wilson 21-Jan-19 07:15
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 386 DUNE 21-Jan-19 10:29
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 350 Scott Creighton 21-Jan-19 11:23
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 446 Spiros 21-Jan-19 13:28
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 351 DUNE 21-Jan-19 15:57
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 402 R Avry Wilson 22-Jan-19 05:13
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 355 Scott Creighton 22-Jan-19 10:29
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 398 R Avry Wilson 23-Jan-19 05:29
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 396 Scott Creighton 23-Jan-19 08:45
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 434 Thanos5150 23-Jan-19 16:35
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 386 Scott Creighton 21-Jan-19 10:45
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 405 Morten 21-Jan-19 11:31
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 392 Scott Creighton 21-Jan-19 11:49
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 441 Morten 21-Jan-19 12:24
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 435 Scott Creighton 21-Jan-19 12:56
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 413 Morten 22-Jan-19 02:17
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 377 Scott Creighton 22-Jan-19 10:53
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 427 Martin Stower 22-Jan-19 14:06
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 382 Morten 23-Jan-19 11:44
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 397 Scott Creighton 23-Jan-19 22:18
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 390 Morten 24-Jan-19 01:57
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 342 Scott Creighton 24-Jan-19 08:51
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 366 Morten 24-Jan-19 09:03
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 324 DUNE 24-Jan-19 09:54
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 349 Scott Creighton 24-Jan-19 12:17
unbridalled speculation 383 hendrik dirker 11-Jul-19 20:56
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 371 Gary Osborn 24-Jan-19 01:02
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 340 Spiros 24-Jan-19 01:06
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 393 Gary Osborn 23-Jan-19 22:57
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 364 Scott Creighton 23-Jan-19 23:22
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 336 Gary Osborn 23-Jan-19 23:31
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 362 DUNE 24-Jan-19 11:15
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 400 Gary Osborn 24-Jan-19 12:46
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 384 DUNE 24-Jan-19 13:20
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 469 Scott Creighton 24-Jan-19 14:03
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 379 DUNE 24-Jan-19 14:52
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 410 Scott Creighton 24-Jan-19 15:34
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 470 Scott Creighton 24-Jan-19 15:47
Centre (+ addendum) 391 hendrik dirker 11-Jun-19 03:32
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 365 molder 24-Jan-19 22:40
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 377 DUNE 21-Jan-19 13:03
Thanks Dennis N/T 338 Scott Creighton 21-Jan-19 13:05
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 330 DUNE 21-Jan-19 11:52
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 338 Scott Creighton 21-Jan-19 11:57
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 340 Scott Creighton 21-Jan-19 12:04
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 394 Martin Stower 23-Jan-19 17:58
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 365 Thanos5150 21-Jan-19 17:16
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 385 Warwick 21-Jan-19 17:21
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 370 Martin Stower 21-Jan-19 21:52
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 463 Warwick 21-Jan-19 22:08
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 426 Thanos5150 21-Jan-19 22:57
Why are we here? 228 Warwick 24-Jun-19 18:36
Re: Why are we here? 219 cladking 24-Jun-19 18:40
Re: Why are we here? 244 Warwick 24-Jun-19 19:38
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 367 Spiros 26-Jan-19 16:48
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 398 Scott Creighton 26-Jan-19 17:29
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 385 Spiros 26-Jan-19 20:35
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 368 xRay 26-Jan-19 23:49
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 351 Scott Creighton 27-Jan-19 12:12
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 356 xRay 27-Jan-19 13:08
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 372 Scott Creighton 27-Jan-19 13:15
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 341 Spiros 27-Jan-19 15:50
what if.. 331 Spiros 26-Jan-19 19:11
Re: what if.. 313 Spiros 26-Jan-19 20:54
Re: what if.. 425 Sirfiroth 27-Jan-19 21:28
From I to IV dynasty 414 Spiros 26-Jan-19 22:06
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 228 Spiros 30-Jun-19 18:31
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 220 Spiros 30-Jun-19 20:18
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 212 Sirfiroth 01-Jul-19 04:03
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 219 Spiros 01-Jul-19 12:26
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 208 Sirfiroth 01-Jul-19 15:56
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 211 Spiros 01-Jul-19 16:08
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 202 Warwick 01-Jul-19 16:42
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 201 Sirfiroth 02-Jul-19 12:53
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 217 Spiros 02-Jul-19 13:05
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 227 Sirfiroth 02-Jul-19 23:23
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 206 Spiros 01-Jul-19 17:38
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 226 Warwick 01-Jul-19 17:45
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 236 Spiros 06-Jul-19 20:11
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 74 Spiros 23-Nov-20 02:40
Re: O C T allegation. . . clarification? 212 Spiros 02-Jul-19 12:45


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.