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Hello Thanos5150; thank you for the reference.

Above you wrote: ”Of the many workmen's graffiti marks found on the underside of the blocks that cover Khufu's southern Khufu boat pits, one notes the 11th cattle count which given only Djedfre's name is found, not Khufu, implies this was the 11th cattle count under Djedefre's reign. There is some debate whether the cattle count occurred every year or every other year, but this would mean that Djedefre was making these boat pits some 11 or 22yrs after Khufu's death/end of reign. As noted in the picture above, there is also a secondary temenos wall running over the top of the boat pit meaning this too would have been made sometime after the boat pits were made.

As I have noted before regarding boat pits in general, this practice was seemingly abandoned after the 2nd Dynasty in which for reasons unknown, if they are even related, Djedefre revived the practice

The evidence strongly suggests Djedefre was responsible for the southern boat pits


From 2001, Miroslav Verner’s account addressed the ambiguity of the interpretations among the scholars of the time regarding the then known markings discovered on the roofing blocks of the pit for Khufu I.

Ten years later, in 2011, the Director of the Waseda University Mission Team in Egypt, Sakuji Yoshimura, reported regarding Khufu II that [“i]…while the fillings around the sides of the covering stone were being cleaned, the team uncovered the cartouche of the Fourth-Dynasty king Khufu inscribed on one of these blocks, and beside it the name of the crown prince Djedefre. This, he argued, meant that this boat was constructed during the reign of King Khufu and not, like the first boat now on display at a special museum on the plateau, during the reign of his son and successor Djedefre.

The generalization does not hold; Khufu was still King during the marking of the blocks roofing the boat pit for Khufu II.



Dr. Troglodyte


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G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 1999 Thanos5150 01-Nov-18 02:52
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 294 Dr. Troglodyte 01-Nov-18 16:15
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 267 Thanos5150 02-Nov-18 01:27
Khufu II vs Khufu I 318 Dr. Troglodyte 06-Nov-18 00:50
Re: Khufu II vs Khufu I 403 Thanos5150 06-Nov-18 06:57
Re: Khufu II vs Khufu I 280 Martin Stower 06-Nov-18 19:21
Re: Khufu II vs Khufu I 239 Spiros 06-Nov-18 21:14
Re: Khufu II vs Khufu I 260 Martin Stower 06-Nov-18 23:05
Re: Khufu II vs Khufu I 252 Thanos5150 06-Nov-18 23:34
Re: Khufu II vs Khufu I 295 Martin Stower 06-Nov-18 23:55
Re: Khufu II vs Khufu I 239 Thanos5150 07-Nov-18 01:55
Off topic 256 Hanslune 07-Nov-18 03:32
Misnomers [?] 267 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Nov-18 18:31
Re: Misnomers [?] 251 Martin Stower 07-Nov-18 18:38
Re: Misnomers [?] 250 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Nov-18 18:59
Re: Misnomers [?] 239 Martin Stower 07-Nov-18 19:16
Re: Misnomers [?] 277 Manu 07-Nov-18 21:28
Re: Misnomers [?] 242 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Nov-18 22:39
Re: Misnomers [?] 270 Martin Stower 07-Nov-18 23:33
Re: Misnomers [?] 235 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Nov-18 23:45
Re: Misnomers [?] 260 Manu 07-Nov-18 23:58
Re: Misnomers [?] 283 Martin Stower 08-Nov-18 12:30
Re: Misnomers [?] 227 Thanos5150 09-Nov-18 18:30
Re: Misnomers [?] 238 Thanos5150 07-Nov-18 23:54
Re: Khufu II vs Khufu I 277 Morten 11-Nov-18 00:55
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 245 Spiros 01-Nov-18 18:51
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 272 Thanos5150 02-Nov-18 01:44
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 294 Morten 02-Nov-18 02:42
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 301 Thanos5150 02-Nov-18 04:57
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 286 Morten 02-Nov-18 10:46
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 255 Thanos5150 02-Nov-18 20:48
Anyone who cites Rigano can't be too far wrong n/t 253 cladking 02-Nov-18 21:04
Re: Anyone who cites Rigano can't be too far wrong n/t 284 Martin Stower 06-Nov-18 19:37
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 354 Graham Chase 02-Nov-18 21:24
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 326 Thanos5150 06-Nov-18 03:25
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 247 Eddie Larry 06-Nov-18 04:28
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 243 Thanos5150 07-Nov-18 02:30
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 245 Eddie Larry 07-Nov-18 02:40
Maybe stating the obvious but.... 288 Warwick 13-Nov-18 17:25
Re: Maybe stating the obvious but.... 280 Martin Stower 13-Nov-18 18:17
Re: Giza Map 323 Thanos5150 15-Nov-18 00:27
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 278 Thanos5150 28-Dec-18 05:14
Re: G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre 315 Thanos5150 28-Dec-18 06:29


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