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Scott Creighton Wrote:
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> SC: All I ask is that we see somewhere
> outside the Vyse Chambers an ordinal 'n' on its
> side (that is clearly NOT a date) and which is
> contemporary with the early Old Kingdom period.
> There must be an abundance of such examples - I
> looked but couldn't find any. Finding just one
> clear, unambiguous example (that is NOT a day of
> the month) can't be too much to ask for, now can
> it?
>
> Clearly it IS too much to ask. Which means that
> the ONLY place where examples of these allegedly
> sideways numbers actually exist is in the Vyse
> Chambers. It's almost like the Vyse Chambers are
> some strange quantum vortex of time and space
> where normal rules for things are bent or simply
> do not apply.
>
> I do not accept your argument. As I said to you
> previously, in my view there's a much simpler
> means to explain these anomalous numbers. But
> thanks for your time.

Clearly it’s too much to ask where Vyse is supposed to have seen dates written in old hieratic. You’ve merely dodged that question (in the post to which you’ve replied). Was it in that convenient secret cache? Fine. There’s an “abundance” of the examples you keep asking for. They’re in a secret cache also. This to remind you of your barefaced double-standard. You make up inscriptions when you need them.

Not playing your game, Creighton. I’m not allowing you to frame the discussion with your arbitrary stipulations.

It’s perfectly clear from such an example as this:



—that a literate ancient Egyptian would have no trouble at all in reading as the character for the number 10 and a fortiori would have no trouble reading these:



It’s also perfectly clear from examples in Abusir II: Baugraffiti der Ptahschepses Mastaba (and they are examples of dates) that there is nothing wrong with the position of the tens relative to the units.

As far as the units are concerned, the question is entirely settled and uncontroversial. We have such things as this (which you tried to get round with flummery handwaving):



—and this:



All you’re left with is your bonkers insistence that outside the context of a date requires “some strange quantum vortex of time and space where normal rules for things are bent or simply do not apply” to accommodate it. I concede that the quoted phrase may be a fair description of your inner life.

Back to my question. Here is a carved, hieroglyphic calendar:



We see that the numerals (days of the month) are in their more usual (vertical) orientation. Clearly Vyse could not have got the idea from here. So where?

M.

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Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 664 Scott Creighton 13-Feb-18 21:22
Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 635 Martin Stower 13-Feb-18 22:37
Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 674 R Avry Wilson 13-Feb-18 23:44
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Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 618 R Avry Wilson 14-Feb-18 17:52
Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 606 Martin Stower 18-Jul-18 14:26
Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 619 R Avry Wilson 13-Feb-18 21:23
Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 643 M. J. Thomas 14-Feb-18 01:53
Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 579 sfbey 14-Feb-18 02:52
Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 626 R Avry Wilson 14-Feb-18 03:12
Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 608 Martin Stower 14-Feb-18 10:39
Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 632 M. J. Thomas 14-Feb-18 11:16
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Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 617 M. J. Thomas 13-Feb-18 17:57
Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 656 Martin Stower 13-Feb-18 18:20
Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 667 Scott Creighton 13-Feb-18 19:45
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Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 694 Martin Stower 13-Feb-18 22:24
Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 628 Scott Creighton 14-Feb-18 12:28
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Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 600 cladking 14-Feb-18 15:31
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Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 594 Martin Stower 14-Feb-18 17:29
Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 697 Scott Creighton 14-Feb-18 17:38
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Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 690 Scott Creighton 14-Feb-18 18:41
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Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 578 Scott Creighton 14-Feb-18 17:33
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Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 661 Scott Creighton 07-Apr-18 15:32
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Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 570 Scott Creighton 15-Feb-18 19:15
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Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 606 R Avry Wilson 15-Feb-18 20:38
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Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 647 Morten 16-Feb-18 06:47
Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 595 Scott Creighton 16-Feb-18 11:05
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Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 542 Scott Creighton 15-Feb-18 21:47
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Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 560 Martin Stower 15-Feb-18 21:17
Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 518 Scott Creighton 15-Feb-18 21:24
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Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 533 Scott Creighton 15-Feb-18 21:45
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Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 604 Scott Creighton 27-Feb-18 15:26
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Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 579 Scott Creighton 27-Feb-18 16:12
Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 566 Martin Stower 27-Feb-18 16:25
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Re: Rotated (or horizontal) numerals in Campbell’s Chamber 559 Corpuscles 15-Feb-18 21:47
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