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Very well put, Jacob. The difficult thing is as you say...being able to prove it.

True, it doesn't matter that we have certain things that indicate some supernal math abilities by the ancients, it only matters if we can replicate them. I can certainly look at the height of the pyramid against its base and see pi, but how to replicate it?

I can look at the dimensions of the upper and middle chamber and see indications of 360deg and parts of a circle both less than and greater than 360deg, not just as degrees but also inch measures, but how to replicate them?

I can look at the entrance glyph and see simple formulas associated with a circle and a square and indicating pi, but how to replicate it?

I investigate and research and analyze and put together a theory about the pyramid and a couple of its plans and can replicate that over and over again where the pyramid references the cosmos and Earth and circles and pi and phi, but I can't at all say how they did it.

In all these, something is always missing, and it is the book of how they did it all...you may be right...it doesn't matter that we have the thing right before us that says 'yes'; it only matters if there is more than the thing...if there is a book saying how they did it...hmm...quite true...never believe your own eyes as they don't know what they are describing when the eyes can assess something down to its parts. If there are no instructions, the thing does not exist.

I wonder how the ancient Greeks felt that they could not see the parts of an atom let alone the atom, and yet it took over 2,000 years before they were proved right. NOt a fair comparison at all, I admit, but they didn't even have an atom to see to describe...we at least have the pyramid itself.

You say there is a problem with fractions being used to define small parts of numbers, and I do like 628/200 + 1/628 as a good fraction for pi...probably a better formula just as simple to use does exist. That is an easy fraction that can be broken down into a string of fractions ala Egypt style. That fraction doesn't exist though as it isn't recorded in the very few papyri that we refer to as the compendium of ancient Egypt math and astronomy skills. A culture lasting several thousand years only has a few papyri left to show how advanced they weren't. Hmm...does there seem to be a slight problem with not accepting a high culture based upon a lack of written records despite the large edifices they built?

I guess I'll wait to see if anyone does enter the void found by a muon scan technique and wonder how it equates to my analysis identifying where the winter solstice sun is at noon...where the same sun is one hour before dawn in the intersection of descending and ascending passages...why Sirius and Canopus equate to the middle chamber and its niche and the half height of the pyramid...and why the height references the summer solstice sun at dawn. I'll wait because the book might be in that void, and it might show how they did it when we can already see it.

Well, I'll back off now. I don't have a papyrus to point at and say 'See'. All I have is the pyramid to point at.

Cheers and all the best with not-pi

Does a caterpillar know it will turn into a butterfly?

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Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 3230 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 03:26
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 568 drew 06-Feb-18 04:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 531 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 17:37
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 434 drew 06-Feb-18 23:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ???????????????? 494 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Feb-18 14:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 421 molder 08-Feb-18 05:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 417 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 06:43
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 421 DavidK 08-Feb-18 10:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 422 molder 08-Feb-18 11:56
linking egyptian Pi to imperial Pi 357 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 358 DavidK 08-Feb-18 13:58
cubit of 20.25? 327 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:12
where does Fibonacci Pi come from? 361 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:49
Re: cubit of 20.25? 415 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 15:08
Re: cubit of 20.25? 379 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:15
Re: cubit of 20.25? 377 molder 09-Feb-18 03:58
Mod Note > Off-Topic Posts 394 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Feb-18 16:38
Re: cubit of 20.25? 581 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 21:02
Oh...what a shame... 408 drew 09-Feb-18 00:33
Re: Oh...what a shame... 407 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 04:47
Re: Oh...what a shame... 426 drew 09-Feb-18 06:02
Re: Oh...what a shame... 511 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 13:28
Re: Oh...what a shame... 414 DavidK 22-Jun-18 05:58
Re: Oh...what a shame... 351 drew 22-Jun-18 09:54
Re: Oh...what a shame... 431 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 13:32
Re: Oh...what a shame... 508 drew 22-Jun-18 22:27
Re: Oh...what a shame... 381 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 01:48
Re: well put 350 drew 23-Jun-18 08:08
To put it bluntly! 392 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 12:40
Re: well put 372 Manu 23-Jun-18 18:33
Re: extensions of numbers 326 drew 24-Jun-18 00:40
Re: extensions of numbers 386 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 04:50
Re: extensions of numbers 337 drew 24-Jun-18 08:36
Re: extensions of numbers 328 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:22
Re: extensions of numbers 332 drew 24-Jun-18 20:53
Re: extensions of numbers 333 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:06
Re: extensions of numbers 308 DavidK 25-Jun-18 16:13
Re: extensions of numbers 316 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:46
the primitive calculator 313 drew 25-Jun-18 23:23
Re: the primitive calculator 368 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 02:24
Re: the primitive calculator 300 drew 26-Jun-18 07:06
Mod Note > Duplicate Post Removed 444 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Jun-18 12:45
Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 368 rodz111 26-Jun-18 13:55
Re: Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 270 drew 27-Jun-18 05:18
Re: the primitive calculator 357 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:00
Re: the primitive calculator 334 drew 27-Jun-18 00:01
Re: the primitive calculator 332 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 00:18
Re: the primitive calculator 304 drew 27-Jun-18 01:56
Re: well put 291 cloister 24-Jun-18 09:43
Re: well put 333 Manu 24-Jun-18 12:59
Re: well put 320 cloister 24-Jun-18 18:14
Re: well put 410 cloister 29-Jun-18 08:48
Re: well put 308 drew 27-Jun-18 05:11
Re: Oh...what a shame... 372 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 12:21
Re: Oh...what a shame... 401 molder 23-Jun-18 00:24
Re: Oh...what a shame... 383 DavidK 23-Jun-18 21:06
Re: Oh...what a shame... 342 DavidK 24-Jun-18 07:41
Understanding the differences! 385 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:50
No pie for jacob 380 DavidK 24-Jun-18 08:54
Re: No pie for jacob 317 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:44
Re: No pie for jacob 342 DavidK 25-Jun-18 20:21
Re: No pie for jacob 351 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 23:19
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 304 molder 26-Jun-18 00:51
Re: what value for pi? 306 drew 26-Jun-18 14:11
Re: what value for pi? 355 molder 26-Jun-18 21:30
Re: what value for pi? 308 drew 26-Jun-18 23:42
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 294 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 14:55
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 349 molder 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 344 DavidK 26-Jun-18 10:34
Re: No pie for jacob 304 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 15:02
Re: No pie for jacob 303 DavidK 26-Jun-18 16:46
Re: No pie for jacob 318 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:12
Re: No pie for jacob 339 DavidK 26-Jun-18 18:58
Re: No pie for jacob 348 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 22:59
Re: No pie for jacob 297 DUNE 26-Jun-18 19:52
Re: No pie for jacob 303 DavidK 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 306 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 23:10
Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 314 DavidK 27-Jun-18 05:37
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 371 drew 27-Jun-18 06:16
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 314 DavidK 27-Jun-18 10:25
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 330 drew 27-Jun-18 21:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 374 rodz111 25-Jun-18 17:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 346 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 19:54
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 315 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 337 molder 26-Jun-18 03:19
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 333 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:30
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 329 molder 26-Jun-18 21:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 378 rodz111 28-Jun-18 07:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 325 drew 28-Jun-18 09:56
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 355 rodz111 28-Jun-18 11:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 398 drew 28-Jun-18 17:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 360 DavidK 28-Jun-18 20:00
Tripping over museum rods 354 drew 28-Jun-18 23:52
Museum rods 321 drew 29-Jun-18 00:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 345 rodz111 29-Jun-18 00:37
You're as much as a complainer as anyone but you're not... 335 drew 29-Jun-18 01:24
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 409 rodz111 30-Jun-18 01:21
You down and dirty so-n-so 342 drew 27-Jun-18 05:29
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 287 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 08:17
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 282 drew 27-Jun-18 09:49
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 422 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 17:12
The math or the pyramid? 358 drew 27-Jun-18 20:46
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 277 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:04
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 300 Sirfiroth 17-Jul-18 23:16
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 293 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 401 spaceyhippie 19-Jul-18 10:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 320 molder 19-Jul-18 11:21
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 364 Sirfiroth 19-Jul-18 12:05
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 490 spaceyhippie 19-Jul-18 23:57
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 342 DavidK 20-Jul-18 08:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 396 spaceyhippie 20-Jul-18 21:58
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 277 DavidK 22-Jul-18 09:41
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 382 spaceyhippie 23-Jul-18 02:15
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 317 DavidK 23-Jul-18 08:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 338 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 13:49
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 312 DavidK 23-Jul-18 22:23
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 676 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 23:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 331 DavidK 24-Jul-18 09:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 280 Sirfiroth 24-Jul-18 13:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 268 DavidK 27-Jul-18 06:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 304 Sirfiroth 27-Jul-18 15:45
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 367 spaceyhippie 24-Jul-18 02:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 376 DavidK 24-Jul-18 17:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 426 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 00:51
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 337 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 14:36
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 457 spaceyhippie 29-Jul-18 11:01
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 340 DavidK 06-Aug-18 19:15
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 313 DavidK 07-Aug-18 05:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 316 spaceyhippie 08-Aug-18 09:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 323 DavidK 08-Aug-18 09:39
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 352 spaceyhippie 09-Aug-18 02:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 380 DavidK 09-Aug-18 08:00
ROTFLMAO! 273 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 13:22
Re: ROTFLMAO! 280 DavidK 09-Aug-18 14:12
Re: ROTFLMAO! 415 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 14:28
Re: ROTFLMAO! 266 DavidK 09-Aug-18 14:49
Re: ROTFLMAO! 273 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 15:03
Re: ROTFLMAO! 287 DavidK 09-Aug-18 21:39
Re: ROTFLMAO! 312 Sirfiroth 10-Aug-18 02:06
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 324 spaceyhippie 09-Aug-18 20:40
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 379 DavidK 10-Aug-18 07:59
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 384 Steve Clayton 12-Aug-18 18:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 170 DavidK 27-Dec-19 23:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 155 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 03:46
Pi. All Pi. All The Time. 171 thinkitover 28-Dec-19 04:59
Re: Pi. All Pi. All The Time. 145 molder 28-Dec-19 10:35
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 143 DavidK 28-Dec-19 10:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 153 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 15:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 172 Thanos5150 28-Dec-19 16:30
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 161 thinkitover 28-Dec-19 21:49
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 158 Thanos5150 29-Dec-19 04:35
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 150 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 02:17
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 154 molder 29-Dec-19 04:14
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 146 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 12:51
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 146 molder 29-Dec-19 22:31
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 138 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-19 14:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 187 magisterchessmutt 30-Dec-19 15:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 145 Sirfiroth 31-Dec-19 03:33
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 191 magisterchessmutt 31-Dec-19 04:33
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 162 Sirfiroth 31-Dec-19 15:04
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 171 spaceyhippie 31-Dec-19 23:37
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 165 Thanos5150 29-Dec-19 04:29
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 150 DavidK 29-Dec-19 09:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 158 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 14:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 155 spaceyhippie 01-Jan-20 23:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 170 Sirfiroth 02-Jan-20 01:33
Pi vs Pudding 159 thinkitover 02-Jan-20 21:45
Re: Pi vs Pudding 150 spaceyhippie 03-Jan-20 00:06
Re: Pi vs Pudding 168 seasmith 03-Jan-20 00:24
Re: Pi vs Pudding 150 spaceyhippie 07-Jan-20 23:06
Re: Pi vs Pudding 195 seasmith 08-Jan-20 02:54
Re: Pi vs Pudding 157 Sirfiroth 03-Jan-20 03:36
Re: Pi vs Pudding 158 molder 03-Jan-20 06:56
Re: Pi vs Pudding 159 Sirfiroth 03-Jan-20 18:25
Re: Pi vs Pudding 154 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 00:02
LOL, now that was hilarious ! 153 Sirfiroth 04-Jan-20 05:51
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 198 hendrik dirker 04-Jan-20 09:32
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 142 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 23:37
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 152 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 23:39
Re: Pi vs Pudding 170 molder 04-Jan-20 11:03
Re: Pi vs Pudding 160 Sirfiroth 05-Jan-20 20:11
Re: Pi vs Pudding 151 molder 06-Jan-20 02:55
Re: Pi vs Pudding 180 magisterchessmutt 06-Jan-20 02:58
Re: Pi vs Pudding 146 molder 06-Jan-20 05:26
Re: Pi vs Pudding 148 spaceyhippie 07-Jan-20 01:32
Re: Pi vs Pudding 137 DavidK 07-Jan-20 02:02
Re: Pi vs Pudding 151 thinkitover 06-Jan-20 06:13
Re: Pi vs Pudding 166 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 02:18
Re: Pi vs Pudding 135 DavidK 07-Jan-20 14:25
Re: Pi vs Pudding 147 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 15:16
Re: Pi vs Pudding 146 DavidK 07-Jan-20 19:03
Re: Pi vs Pudding 141 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 20:08
Re: Pi vs Pudding 140 DavidK 07-Jan-20 20:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 167 DavidK 28-Dec-19 11:21
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 161 engbren 28-Dec-19 12:34
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 162 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 15:55
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 150 engbren 29-Dec-19 01:14
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 151 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-19 16:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 151 engbren 30-Dec-19 22:23
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 211 magisterchessmutt 30-Dec-19 23:24
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 176 engbren 31-Dec-19 11:31
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 158 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 00:42


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