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Very well put, Jacob. The difficult thing is as you say...being able to prove it.

True, it doesn't matter that we have certain things that indicate some supernal math abilities by the ancients, it only matters if we can replicate them. I can certainly look at the height of the pyramid against its base and see pi, but how to replicate it?

I can look at the dimensions of the upper and middle chamber and see indications of 360deg and parts of a circle both less than and greater than 360deg, not just as degrees but also inch measures, but how to replicate them?

I can look at the entrance glyph and see simple formulas associated with a circle and a square and indicating pi, but how to replicate it?

I investigate and research and analyze and put together a theory about the pyramid and a couple of its plans and can replicate that over and over again where the pyramid references the cosmos and Earth and circles and pi and phi, but I can't at all say how they did it.

In all these, something is always missing, and it is the book of how they did it all...you may be right...it doesn't matter that we have the thing right before us that says 'yes'; it only matters if there is more than the thing...if there is a book saying how they did it...hmm...quite true...never believe your own eyes as they don't know what they are describing when the eyes can assess something down to its parts. If there are no instructions, the thing does not exist.

I wonder how the ancient Greeks felt that they could not see the parts of an atom let alone the atom, and yet it took over 2,000 years before they were proved right. NOt a fair comparison at all, I admit, but they didn't even have an atom to see to describe...we at least have the pyramid itself.

You say there is a problem with fractions being used to define small parts of numbers, and I do like 628/200 + 1/628 as a good fraction for pi...probably a better formula just as simple to use does exist. That is an easy fraction that can be broken down into a string of fractions ala Egypt style. That fraction doesn't exist though as it isn't recorded in the very few papyri that we refer to as the compendium of ancient Egypt math and astronomy skills. A culture lasting several thousand years only has a few papyri left to show how advanced they weren't. Hmm...does there seem to be a slight problem with not accepting a high culture based upon a lack of written records despite the large edifices they built?

I guess I'll wait to see if anyone does enter the void found by a muon scan technique and wonder how it equates to my analysis identifying where the winter solstice sun is at noon...where the same sun is one hour before dawn in the intersection of descending and ascending passages...why Sirius and Canopus equate to the middle chamber and its niche and the half height of the pyramid...and why the height references the summer solstice sun at dawn. I'll wait because the book might be in that void, and it might show how they did it when we can already see it.

Well, I'll back off now. I don't have a papyrus to point at and say 'See'. All I have is the pyramid to point at.

Cheers and all the best with not-pi

I once thought 'fools gold' had gold in it...and it actually does have gold in it...silly me?...

Subject Views Written By Posted
Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 3212 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 03:26
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 559 drew 06-Feb-18 04:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 521 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 17:37
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 424 drew 06-Feb-18 23:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ???????????????? 484 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Feb-18 14:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 410 molder 08-Feb-18 05:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 408 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 06:43
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 411 DavidK 08-Feb-18 10:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 410 molder 08-Feb-18 11:56
linking egyptian Pi to imperial Pi 346 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 347 DavidK 08-Feb-18 13:58
cubit of 20.25? 315 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:12
where does Fibonacci Pi come from? 351 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:49
Re: cubit of 20.25? 405 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 15:08
Re: cubit of 20.25? 368 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:15
Re: cubit of 20.25? 366 molder 09-Feb-18 03:58
Mod Note > Off-Topic Posts 384 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Feb-18 16:38
Re: cubit of 20.25? 531 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 21:02
Oh...what a shame... 399 drew 09-Feb-18 00:33
Re: Oh...what a shame... 396 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 04:47
Re: Oh...what a shame... 417 drew 09-Feb-18 06:02
Re: Oh...what a shame... 447 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 13:28
Re: Oh...what a shame... 404 DavidK 22-Jun-18 05:58
Re: Oh...what a shame... 341 drew 22-Jun-18 09:54
Re: Oh...what a shame... 421 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 13:32
Re: Oh...what a shame... 498 drew 22-Jun-18 22:27
Re: Oh...what a shame... 370 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 01:48
Re: well put 341 drew 23-Jun-18 08:08
To put it bluntly! 383 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 12:40
Re: well put 362 Manu 23-Jun-18 18:33
Re: extensions of numbers 315 drew 24-Jun-18 00:40
Re: extensions of numbers 375 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 04:50
Re: extensions of numbers 328 drew 24-Jun-18 08:36
Re: extensions of numbers 319 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:22
Re: extensions of numbers 323 drew 24-Jun-18 20:53
Re: extensions of numbers 322 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:06
Re: extensions of numbers 298 DavidK 25-Jun-18 16:13
Re: extensions of numbers 305 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:46
the primitive calculator 304 drew 25-Jun-18 23:23
Re: the primitive calculator 359 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 02:24
Re: the primitive calculator 290 drew 26-Jun-18 07:06
Mod Note > Duplicate Post Removed 392 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Jun-18 12:45
Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 357 rodz111 26-Jun-18 13:55
Re: Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 259 drew 27-Jun-18 05:18
Re: the primitive calculator 333 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:00
Re: the primitive calculator 324 drew 27-Jun-18 00:01
Re: the primitive calculator 322 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 00:18
Re: the primitive calculator 293 drew 27-Jun-18 01:56
Re: well put 280 cloister 24-Jun-18 09:43
Re: well put 323 Manu 24-Jun-18 12:59
Re: well put 310 cloister 24-Jun-18 18:14
Re: well put 367 cloister 29-Jun-18 08:48
Re: well put 299 drew 27-Jun-18 05:11
Re: Oh...what a shame... 361 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 12:21
Re: Oh...what a shame... 391 molder 23-Jun-18 00:24
Re: Oh...what a shame... 371 DavidK 23-Jun-18 21:06
Re: Oh...what a shame... 331 DavidK 24-Jun-18 07:41
Understanding the differences! 329 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:50
No pie for jacob 369 DavidK 24-Jun-18 08:54
Re: No pie for jacob 306 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:44
Re: No pie for jacob 332 DavidK 25-Jun-18 20:21
Re: No pie for jacob 336 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 23:19
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 295 molder 26-Jun-18 00:51
Re: what value for pi? 297 drew 26-Jun-18 14:11
Re: what value for pi? 343 molder 26-Jun-18 21:30
Re: what value for pi? 299 drew 26-Jun-18 23:42
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 284 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 14:55
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 338 molder 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 335 DavidK 26-Jun-18 10:34
Re: No pie for jacob 295 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 15:02
Re: No pie for jacob 293 DavidK 26-Jun-18 16:46
Re: No pie for jacob 302 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:12
Re: No pie for jacob 329 DavidK 26-Jun-18 18:58
Re: No pie for jacob 339 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 22:59
Re: No pie for jacob 288 DUNE 26-Jun-18 19:52
Re: No pie for jacob 294 DavidK 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 297 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 23:10
Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 305 DavidK 27-Jun-18 05:37
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 334 drew 27-Jun-18 06:16
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 305 DavidK 27-Jun-18 10:25
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 317 drew 27-Jun-18 21:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 363 rodz111 25-Jun-18 17:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 337 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 19:54
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 306 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 326 molder 26-Jun-18 03:19
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 324 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:30
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 319 molder 26-Jun-18 21:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 368 rodz111 28-Jun-18 07:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 315 drew 28-Jun-18 09:56
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 345 rodz111 28-Jun-18 11:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 335 drew 28-Jun-18 17:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 350 DavidK 28-Jun-18 20:00
Tripping over museum rods 345 drew 28-Jun-18 23:52
Museum rods 311 drew 29-Jun-18 00:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 335 rodz111 29-Jun-18 00:37
You're as much as a complainer as anyone but you're not... 326 drew 29-Jun-18 01:24
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 398 rodz111 30-Jun-18 01:21
You down and dirty so-n-so 332 drew 27-Jun-18 05:29
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 277 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 08:17
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 273 drew 27-Jun-18 09:49
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 411 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 17:12
The math or the pyramid? 348 drew 27-Jun-18 20:46
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 266 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:04
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 289 Sirfiroth 17-Jul-18 23:16
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 282 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 391 spaceyhippie 19-Jul-18 10:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 309 molder 19-Jul-18 11:21
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 353 Sirfiroth 19-Jul-18 12:05
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 478 spaceyhippie 19-Jul-18 23:57
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 332 DavidK 20-Jul-18 08:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 387 spaceyhippie 20-Jul-18 21:58
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 268 DavidK 22-Jul-18 09:41
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 373 spaceyhippie 23-Jul-18 02:15
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 306 DavidK 23-Jul-18 08:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 328 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 13:49
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 302 DavidK 23-Jul-18 22:23
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 536 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 23:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 320 DavidK 24-Jul-18 09:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 267 Sirfiroth 24-Jul-18 13:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 257 DavidK 27-Jul-18 06:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 294 Sirfiroth 27-Jul-18 15:45
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 357 spaceyhippie 24-Jul-18 02:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 366 DavidK 24-Jul-18 17:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 416 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 00:51
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 327 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 14:36
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 447 spaceyhippie 29-Jul-18 11:01
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 329 DavidK 06-Aug-18 19:15
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 302 DavidK 07-Aug-18 05:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 306 spaceyhippie 08-Aug-18 09:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 314 DavidK 08-Aug-18 09:39
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 343 spaceyhippie 09-Aug-18 02:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 370 DavidK 09-Aug-18 08:00
ROTFLMAO! 263 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 13:22
Re: ROTFLMAO! 270 DavidK 09-Aug-18 14:12
Re: ROTFLMAO! 355 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 14:28
Re: ROTFLMAO! 255 DavidK 09-Aug-18 14:49
Re: ROTFLMAO! 263 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 15:03
Re: ROTFLMAO! 278 DavidK 09-Aug-18 21:39
Re: ROTFLMAO! 303 Sirfiroth 10-Aug-18 02:06
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 314 spaceyhippie 09-Aug-18 20:40
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 371 DavidK 10-Aug-18 07:59
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 376 Steve Clayton 12-Aug-18 18:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 160 DavidK 27-Dec-19 23:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 147 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 03:46
Pi. All Pi. All The Time. 163 thinkitover 28-Dec-19 04:59
Re: Pi. All Pi. All The Time. 135 molder 28-Dec-19 10:35
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 134 DavidK 28-Dec-19 10:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 145 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 15:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 161 Thanos5150 28-Dec-19 16:30
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 152 thinkitover 28-Dec-19 21:49
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 150 Thanos5150 29-Dec-19 04:35
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 141 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 02:17
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 145 molder 29-Dec-19 04:14
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 138 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 12:51
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 137 molder 29-Dec-19 22:31
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 130 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-19 14:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 178 magisterchessmutt 30-Dec-19 15:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 136 Sirfiroth 31-Dec-19 03:33
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 180 magisterchessmutt 31-Dec-19 04:33
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 154 Sirfiroth 31-Dec-19 15:04
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 162 spaceyhippie 31-Dec-19 23:37
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 156 Thanos5150 29-Dec-19 04:29
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 142 DavidK 29-Dec-19 09:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 146 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 14:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 145 spaceyhippie 01-Jan-20 23:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 160 Sirfiroth 02-Jan-20 01:33
Pi vs Pudding 150 thinkitover 02-Jan-20 21:45
Re: Pi vs Pudding 141 spaceyhippie 03-Jan-20 00:06
Re: Pi vs Pudding 157 seasmith 03-Jan-20 00:24
Re: Pi vs Pudding 141 spaceyhippie 07-Jan-20 23:06
Re: Pi vs Pudding 183 seasmith 08-Jan-20 02:54
Re: Pi vs Pudding 149 Sirfiroth 03-Jan-20 03:36
Re: Pi vs Pudding 148 molder 03-Jan-20 06:56
Re: Pi vs Pudding 150 Sirfiroth 03-Jan-20 18:25
Re: Pi vs Pudding 144 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 00:02
LOL, now that was hilarious ! 143 Sirfiroth 04-Jan-20 05:51
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 187 hendrik dirker 04-Jan-20 09:32
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 132 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 23:37
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 141 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 23:39
Re: Pi vs Pudding 161 molder 04-Jan-20 11:03
Re: Pi vs Pudding 150 Sirfiroth 05-Jan-20 20:11
Re: Pi vs Pudding 141 molder 06-Jan-20 02:55
Re: Pi vs Pudding 171 magisterchessmutt 06-Jan-20 02:58
Re: Pi vs Pudding 138 molder 06-Jan-20 05:26
Re: Pi vs Pudding 138 spaceyhippie 07-Jan-20 01:32
Re: Pi vs Pudding 129 DavidK 07-Jan-20 02:02
Re: Pi vs Pudding 142 thinkitover 06-Jan-20 06:13
Re: Pi vs Pudding 157 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 02:18
Re: Pi vs Pudding 126 DavidK 07-Jan-20 14:25
Re: Pi vs Pudding 138 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 15:16
Re: Pi vs Pudding 137 DavidK 07-Jan-20 19:03
Re: Pi vs Pudding 131 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 20:08
Re: Pi vs Pudding 132 DavidK 07-Jan-20 20:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 158 DavidK 28-Dec-19 11:21
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 153 engbren 28-Dec-19 12:34
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 153 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 15:55
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 141 engbren 29-Dec-19 01:14
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 141 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-19 16:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 143 engbren 30-Dec-19 22:23
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 201 magisterchessmutt 30-Dec-19 23:24
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 167 engbren 31-Dec-19 11:31
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 148 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 00:42

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