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Phil,

First of all, as I said, in your latest rush to judgment you didn't even bother to check if the person I quoted was even the Ram Das you speak of here. You were very clearly stating that Ram Das 'might' have been experiencing an acid flashback if not real-time effects when he reported the vision of the dancing stars.

However, because you are commenting on an event that was public, and analogous in that regard to the one that I directly experienced at another time, at a time when I saw hundreds of people witness the same thing, the only way that your interpretation can make sense is if everybody experienced a collective hallucination, or were tripping, or were experiencing simultaneous flashbacks.

Otherwise, you have left out all of the other witnesses, in choosing the wrong Ram Das, and trying to explain how he ALONE, to the exclusion of everyone else, 'might' have seen the dancing stars at the time in question. Your explanation, in other words, is woefully inadequate and when you consider the public nature of these incidentS, to such an extent that it is ridiculous.

Now, here's your big chance, Phil. If you meant something else with your point here about the wrong RD, lay it out in clear detail. Tell us why you would only bring up one individual when it comes to at least two public events. How would that suffice, even supposing that you actually had the right Ram Das?

Origyptian: Ram Dass (Richard Alpert) knows of "no other phenomena" that could explain his vision of thousands of shooting stars moving in "curves and culicues"? Might his personal experience using LSD and psilocybin with Timothy Leary as they explored the "medicinal value" of hallucinogens through their Harvard Psilocybin Project possibly have had a recurring influence on his visual perceptions? He co-authored "The Psychedelic Experience" and also "LSD", two books about his experience; he was kicked out of Harvard in 1963"

You have the floor...

Finally, once again you accuse me of proselytizing, accusing me of being on an evangelical crusade, when in fact have only replied to you because I won't let innane remarks like this pass without comment on matters I find to be a serious interest.

So, let's take it from the top, Phil...

In your first post to me, on this subthread, you wrote this: [grahamhancock.com]

"Honestly, I'm not sure what's being referred to as the miracle here.
How can we be sure it's not an artifact of the camera's light sensor?"

In my follow-up to you I took care to affirm your position, which I agree with. It was the first thing I wrote.

Not saying that it isn't a camera issue. However, the eye-witness testimony speaks to a very different outcome AND, in the time that I've begun looking into this, I am yet to have anyone show that the non-Fatima videos are based on camera-related issues. It seems to me that it would be very easy for doubters to replicate the results with their own cameras or cellphones, if that is what is really going on...


Then, after that one, you wrote this

"While I saw a lot of people looking at the Sun, I didnt' see many of them cheering at it, and what would that mean? They could be Sun worshippers glad to see the Sun rise. Maybe it was a blimp advertising something popular that the people were responding to. I saw 3 different videos and I saw nothing that clearly showed the Sun behaving abnormally. Sorry."

[grahamhancock.com]

In the follow up, I didn't even mention that the crowd was anything but 'sun worshipers', although I might have if I was "proselytizing." Instead, I wrote this, and here I cite my entire post:

Date: January 03, 2018 11:25PM
No need to apologize, of course!

[grahamhancock.com]

My reply, in other words, was entirely civil, polite, and above all reasonable in that I showed respect to your point of view.

[grahamhancock.com]

From there you got increasingly pissy, Phil.

Origyptian "Pulsing can simply be a finger passing over the light sensor on the camera."

"What is it about any of those videos that seem even remotely authentic to you?"

PB - That pulsing would be one of them. I'm not saying that it cant be done, only that it hasn't to my knowledge and should have been by now.

Cleary, Phil, once again, I stated that I was not insisting I was looking at a miracle, and you became increasingly careless. You clearly knew nothing about Fatima or Church policy, you brought up Guadeloupe, which is irrelevant to these events which are public. Your summary judgement of the salient issues was glib and superficial. Then, you got increasingly annoyed that I was calling you out on your replies. Finally, I tried to work with you. Sent you a PM. Rather than reply, you took a run at me on the board.

Now you try to prosecute me on CoC issues when all I did was send you a copy of what I sent you.

Bad day at the office, Phil. As I said, I didn't bother reading that super long post because, by then, your replies had demonstrated to me that you are too emotionally invested in your assumptions and frankly, your treatment of what I consider to be a serious subject is beneath any serious attention. I've only written this much here in order to make clear why I can't be bothered this exchange. Your treatment of the Ram Das issue was the last straw, and indicative of your approach in general.

So, to summarize, maybe in the end all of these solar anomalies, miracles or scams will be exposed to the satisfaction of all - as solar anomalies, miracles or scams.

As I said at the outset, Phil, I'm open to all possibilities. Try reading that a few times, it might actually sink in.

On that note I'll close by returning to the point I made prior to this exchange.

Examples like this are of keen interest to me because they raise the possibility - the possibility, everyone! -that supernatural events are occurring in modern times. That tends to legitimize the possibility that they happened in ancient times. It is all so very easy to apply denialist thinking to the arcane past. Much harder, imo, when the potential evidence is happening in the here and now.

We have strayed from the main purpose of Michael's opening post. On with the discussion about ID and evolution.



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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 308 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 22:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 355 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 23:35
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 434 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 05:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 297 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:44
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 368 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:04
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 317 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 18:46
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 429 Thunderbird 30-Dec-17 04:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 369 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 13:16
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 339 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 256 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 444 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:25
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 331 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 15:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 295 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 334 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 235 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 298 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 01:59
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 342 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:11
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 287 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 07:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 315 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:32
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 352 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 05:15
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 407 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:09
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 325 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 15:05
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 312 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:45
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 240 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 271 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 03:03
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 320 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:19
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 255 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:00
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 269 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 330 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 311 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 292 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 261 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 332 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 03:14
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 271 Audrey 02-Jan-18 06:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 272 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 398 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 13:05
Re: Directed Panspermia 313 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:11
Re: Directed Panspermia 269 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:27
Re: Directed Panspermia 270 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 19:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 381 cladking 31-Dec-17 15:19
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 259 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:10
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 250 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 282 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 291 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 358 Aine 01-Jan-18 03:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 262 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 264 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 09:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 290 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 291 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:28
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 265 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 17:41
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 262 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 246 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 17:57
It's impossible 240 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:58
Re: It's impossible 255 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:22
Re: It's impossible 292 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:40
Re: It's impossible 248 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:32
Re: It's impossible 270 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:42
Re: It's impossible 297 Eddie Larry 01-Jan-18 23:02
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Re: It's impossible 273 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 00:15
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Re: anthropic principle 325 brett z 02-Jan-18 12:16
What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 395 Vanya 02-Jan-18 16:19
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 258 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 299 Vanya 02-Jan-18 17:14
Re: It's impossible 268 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:46
Re: It's impossible 281 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 15:40
Re: It's impossible 313 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:47
Re: It's impossible 263 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: It's impossible 278 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:50
Re: It's impossible 251 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:04
Re: It's impossible 273 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:07
Re: It's impossible 254 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:20
Re: It's impossible 230 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:23
Re: It's impossible 221 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:05
Re: It's impossible 253 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:30
Re: It's impossible 269 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:25
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Re: It's impossible 269 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:36
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Re: It's impossible 231 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:39
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 301 Audrey 01-Jan-18 21:00
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 349 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:40
Laugh or cry? 320 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 13:00
Re: Laugh or cry? 344 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 14:21
About time for you to learn about atheism 277 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:20
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 266 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:03
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But I lack the pictures! n/t 337 cladking 31-Dec-17 21:25
My interpretation 300 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:35
Re: My interpretation 338 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:46
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Medjugorje - May 2010 246 PB Bytes 06-Jan-18 19:25
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Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 285 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 19:21
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 259 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:58
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 208 PB Bytes 08-Jan-18 04:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 233 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 18:49
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 235 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 257 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 258 Eddie Larry 07-Jan-18 20:59
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 253 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 21:18
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 313 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 21:42
See ya, Phil 304 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 22:31
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 282 Eddie Larry 08-Jan-18 06:20
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 249 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 270 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 237 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 247 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 251 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 267 PB Bytes 08-Jan-18 03:46
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 324 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 270 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:57
Proselytizing: Not 303 PB Bytes 09-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Proselytizing: Not 318 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Proselytizing: Not 329 PB Bytes 09-Jan-18 05:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 296 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 14:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 333 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 252 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 257 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 223 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 337 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 295 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 251 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 267 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 278 PB Bytes 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 299 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 262 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 286 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 304 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 306 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 303 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 309 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 328 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 309 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 331 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 307 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 348 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 306 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 287 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 300 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 335 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 260 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 363 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 352 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 305 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 316 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 330 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 332 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 359 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 285 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 342 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 319 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 225 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 318 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 322 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 261 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 299 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 303 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 321 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 278 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 352 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 323 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 277 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 254 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 285 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 315 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 282 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 264 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 296 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 312 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 323 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 316 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 316 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 306 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 288 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 269 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 276 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 300 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 268 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 266 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 292 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 254 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 266 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 300 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 298 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 311 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 333 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 359 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 293 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 265 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 298 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 256 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 276 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 221 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 304 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 257 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 267 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 234 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 278 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 204 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 289 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 326 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 310 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 336 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 320 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 276 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 283 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 302 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 338 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 260 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 296 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 289 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 321 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 309 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 398 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 277 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 321 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 299 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 261 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 266 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 274 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 275 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 282 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 261 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 256 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 278 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 258 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 247 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 255 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 253 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 326 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 247 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 260 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 248 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 277 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 284 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 344 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 269 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 283 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 322 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 266 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 289 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 381 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 196 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 327 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 237 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 267 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 242 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 285 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 263 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 304 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 345 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 322 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 323 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 307 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 309 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 265 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 249 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 315 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 241 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 276 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 274 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 297 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 329 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 244 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 269 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 263 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 356 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 281 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 327 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 329 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 325 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 317 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 330 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 280 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 316 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 395 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 264 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 358 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 285 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 303 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 238 PB Bytes 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 375 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 296 PB Bytes 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 406 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 249 PB Bytes 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 292 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 287 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 337 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 251 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 335 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 326 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 347 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 243 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 322 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 264 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 361 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 284 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 348 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 289 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 302 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 311 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 223 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 252 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 300 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 270 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 308 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 349 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 265 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 302 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 295 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 286 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 266 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 392 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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