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Phil,

First of all, as I said, in your latest rush to judgment you didn't even bother to check if the person I quoted was even the Ram Das you speak of here. You were very clearly stating that Ram Das 'might' have been experiencing an acid flashback if not real-time effects when he reported the vision of the dancing stars.

However, because you are commenting on an event that was public, and analogous in that regard to the one that I directly experienced at another time, at a time when I saw hundreds of people witness the same thing, the only way that your interpretation can make sense is if everybody experienced a collective hallucination, or were tripping, or were experiencing simultaneous flashbacks.

Otherwise, you have left out all of the other witnesses, in choosing the wrong Ram Das, and trying to explain how he ALONE, to the exclusion of everyone else, 'might' have seen the dancing stars at the time in question. Your explanation, in other words, is woefully inadequate and when you consider the public nature of these incidentS, to such an extent that it is ridiculous.

Now, here's your big chance, Phil. If you meant something else with your point here about the wrong RD, lay it out in clear detail. Tell us why you would only bring up one individual when it comes to at least two public events. How would that suffice, even supposing that you actually had the right Ram Das?

Origyptian: Ram Dass (Richard Alpert) knows of "no other phenomena" that could explain his vision of thousands of shooting stars moving in "curves and culicues"? Might his personal experience using LSD and psilocybin with Timothy Leary as they explored the "medicinal value" of hallucinogens through their Harvard Psilocybin Project possibly have had a recurring influence on his visual perceptions? He co-authored "The Psychedelic Experience" and also "LSD", two books about his experience; he was kicked out of Harvard in 1963"

You have the floor...

Finally, once again you accuse me of proselytizing, accusing me of being on an evangelical crusade, when in fact have only replied to you because I won't let innane remarks like this pass without comment on matters I find to be a serious interest.

So, let's take it from the top, Phil...

In your first post to me, on this subthread, you wrote this: [grahamhancock.com]

"Honestly, I'm not sure what's being referred to as the miracle here.
How can we be sure it's not an artifact of the camera's light sensor?"

In my follow-up to you I took care to affirm your position, which I agree with. It was the first thing I wrote.

Not saying that it isn't a camera issue. However, the eye-witness testimony speaks to a very different outcome AND, in the time that I've begun looking into this, I am yet to have anyone show that the non-Fatima videos are based on camera-related issues. It seems to me that it would be very easy for doubters to replicate the results with their own cameras or cellphones, if that is what is really going on...


Then, after that one, you wrote this

"While I saw a lot of people looking at the Sun, I didnt' see many of them cheering at it, and what would that mean? They could be Sun worshippers glad to see the Sun rise. Maybe it was a blimp advertising something popular that the people were responding to. I saw 3 different videos and I saw nothing that clearly showed the Sun behaving abnormally. Sorry."

[grahamhancock.com]

In the follow up, I didn't even mention that the crowd was anything but 'sun worshipers', although I might have if I was "proselytizing." Instead, I wrote this, and here I cite my entire post:

Date: January 03, 2018 11:25PM
No need to apologize, of course!

[grahamhancock.com]

My reply, in other words, was entirely civil, polite, and above all reasonable in that I showed respect to your point of view.

[grahamhancock.com]

From there you got increasingly pissy, Phil.

Origyptian "Pulsing can simply be a finger passing over the light sensor on the camera."

"What is it about any of those videos that seem even remotely authentic to you?"

PB - That pulsing would be one of them. I'm not saying that it cant be done, only that it hasn't to my knowledge and should have been by now.

Cleary, Phil, once again, I stated that I was not insisting I was looking at a miracle, and you became increasingly careless. You clearly knew nothing about Fatima or Church policy, you brought up Guadeloupe, which is irrelevant to these events which are public. Your summary judgement of the salient issues was glib and superficial. Then, you got increasingly annoyed that I was calling you out on your replies. Finally, I tried to work with you. Sent you a PM. Rather than reply, you took a run at me on the board.

Now you try to prosecute me on CoC issues when all I did was send you a copy of what I sent you.

Bad day at the office, Phil. As I said, I didn't bother reading that super long post because, by then, your replies had demonstrated to me that you are too emotionally invested in your assumptions and frankly, your treatment of what I consider to be a serious subject is beneath any serious attention. I've only written this much here in order to make clear why I can't be bothered this exchange. Your treatment of the Ram Das issue was the last straw, and indicative of your approach in general.

So, to summarize, maybe in the end all of these solar anomalies, miracles or scams will be exposed to the satisfaction of all - as solar anomalies, miracles or scams.

As I said at the outset, Phil, I'm open to all possibilities. Try reading that a few times, it might actually sink in.

On that note I'll close by returning to the point I made prior to this exchange.

Examples like this are of keen interest to me because they raise the possibility - the possibility, everyone! -that supernatural events are occurring in modern times. That tends to legitimize the possibility that they happened in ancient times. It is all so very easy to apply denialist thinking to the arcane past. Much harder, imo, when the potential evidence is happening in the here and now.

We have strayed from the main purpose of Michael's opening post. On with the discussion about ID and evolution.



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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 363 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:04
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 309 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 18:46
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 362 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 13:16
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 335 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:06
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 325 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 15:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 291 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 329 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:06
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 347 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 05:15
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 320 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 15:05
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 263 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 325 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:59
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 286 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 256 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:18
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 265 Audrey 02-Jan-18 06:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 266 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 391 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 13:05
Re: Directed Panspermia 306 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:11
Re: Directed Panspermia 263 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:27
Re: Directed Panspermia 264 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 19:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 374 cladking 31-Dec-17 15:19
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 253 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:10
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 243 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 275 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 287 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 352 Aine 01-Jan-18 03:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 255 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 258 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 09:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 285 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 285 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:28
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 257 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 17:41
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 257 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 241 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 17:57
It's impossible 234 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:58
Re: It's impossible 249 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:22
Re: It's impossible 286 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:40
Re: It's impossible 237 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:32
Re: It's impossible 264 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:42
Re: It's impossible 291 Eddie Larry 01-Jan-18 23:02
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Re: It's impossible 268 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 00:15
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What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 389 Vanya 02-Jan-18 16:19
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 251 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 292 Vanya 02-Jan-18 17:14
Re: It's impossible 263 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:46
Re: It's impossible 276 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 15:40
Re: It's impossible 306 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:47
Re: It's impossible 258 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: It's impossible 272 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:50
Re: It's impossible 246 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:04
Re: It's impossible 267 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:07
Re: It's impossible 249 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:20
Re: It's impossible 224 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:23
Re: It's impossible 214 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:05
Re: It's impossible 248 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:30
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Re: It's impossible 226 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:39
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 295 Audrey 01-Jan-18 21:00
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 342 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:40
Laugh or cry? 315 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 13:00
Re: Laugh or cry? 338 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 14:21
About time for you to learn about atheism 270 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:20
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 261 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:03
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But I lack the pictures! n/t 332 cladking 31-Dec-17 21:25
My interpretation 292 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:35
Re: My interpretation 331 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:46
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Medjugorje - May 2010 241 PB Bytes 06-Jan-18 19:25
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Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 277 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 19:21
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 252 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:58
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 203 PB Bytes 08-Jan-18 04:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 229 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 18:49
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 229 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 251 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 253 Eddie Larry 07-Jan-18 20:59
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 246 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 21:18
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 309 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 21:42
See ya, Phil 299 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 22:31
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 276 Eddie Larry 08-Jan-18 06:20
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 245 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 266 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 232 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 241 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 246 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 262 PB Bytes 08-Jan-18 03:46
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 320 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 265 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:57
Proselytizing: Not 298 PB Bytes 09-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Proselytizing: Not 312 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Proselytizing: Not 324 PB Bytes 09-Jan-18 05:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 293 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 14:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 327 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 247 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 252 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 218 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 331 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 292 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 245 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 263 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 275 PB Bytes 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 292 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 258 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 281 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 300 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 301 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 299 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 301 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 323 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 303 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 326 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 303 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 343 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 302 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 281 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 294 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 331 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 256 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 357 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 348 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 299 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 311 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 323 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 329 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 353 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 281 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 337 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 311 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 221 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 314 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 316 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 255 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 294 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 297 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 317 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 273 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 348 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 318 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 272 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 249 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 278 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 310 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 276 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 260 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 292 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 307 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 317 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 311 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 311 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 300 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 283 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 262 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 271 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 296 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 264 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 261 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 287 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 250 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 260 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 297 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 293 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 307 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 328 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 354 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 288 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 260 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 294 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 252 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 272 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 215 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 300 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 253 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 262 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 229 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 273 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 198 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 284 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 320 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 302 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 330 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 315 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 271 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 276 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 293 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 334 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 253 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 292 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 286 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 314 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 305 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 392 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 271 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 317 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 295 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 255 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 262 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 270 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 270 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 276 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 256 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 253 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 274 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 252 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 243 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 251 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 247 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 320 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 242 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 255 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 240 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 272 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 278 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 338 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 264 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 276 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 318 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 262 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 283 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 377 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 192 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 321 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 232 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 262 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 237 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 280 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 258 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 297 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 341 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 318 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 318 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 301 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 305 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 261 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 245 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 311 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 237 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 270 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 268 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 292 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 323 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 240 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 263 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 257 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 350 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 276 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 323 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 326 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 319 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 311 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 326 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 274 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 311 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 389 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 260 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 353 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 281 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 296 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 233 PB Bytes 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 371 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 289 PB Bytes 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 401 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 245 PB Bytes 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 288 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 283 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 333 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 244 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 330 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 321 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 341 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 239 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 316 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 258 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 357 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 279 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 342 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 286 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 296 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 305 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 218 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 245 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 294 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 266 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 302 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 345 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 261 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 297 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 288 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 280 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 260 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 388 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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