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> It is the Church's position to ALWAYS move slowly
> on matters of alleged supernatural intervention,
> in my opinion because the Church doesn't need to.

It takes no time for the episcopate to acknowledge that the Sun blinked in and out many times during that day. No judgement need be cast about it being a "miracle", only a statement of what was observed, and yet none have made such a statement. In fact, they haven't described any details at all of what they saw.


> ...If you look further you will find some report that
> they were somehow able to look to the Sun. Not
> that that would matter in your case. You would
> just say that it is all part of the hoax. Anybody
> can come up with a conspiracy theory. Sounds like
> you really believe that here, which as I said is
> your prerogative. However, you also
> systematically exclude a lot of corroborating
> evidence online, of others reporting this event.

First of all, where has anyone claimed to have looked straight into the Sun with the naked eye and actually see a sharp solar disk, regardless of how badly their retina was scarred by doing so? And why would anyone of sound mind look directly at the Sun for any length of time in the first place?

Secondly, who said anything about a conspiracy? The only contention I'm making is about the half a handful of YouTube videos showing a blinking Sun claiming this is what all those people saw even though I've found no one else describing such a blinking Sun. It sounds like you are the one trying to turn it into a conspiracy theory when none actually exists.



> This, however, is a very separate issue in my
> mind. Let us all be VERY CLEAR, Origyptian. You
> did NOT mimic the video and you have NOT come
> close to meeting my direct challenge.

I have indeed. You simply seem to be deliberately avoiding trying the same thing yourself to verify it's true.


> 1. Reach for your cellphone
> 2. Go outside
> 3. Point to the Sun
> 4. Make the Sun appear to blink while the clouds
> or background field remains constant
> 5. Load the Video to youtube and introduce
> yourself.
> 6. Post the video here.

You must have missed the part where I said it might have been a camera with a separate light sensor, or (more likely) the few videos out there were post-processed to alternate the "exposure" setting, just as I did which verified the effect royally.


> Origyptian, you should know that I have very
> little interest in debating with people who make
> direct assertions about effects that they should
> be easily be able to reproduce AS THEY
> CLAIM, especially when I have called upon them to
> 'walk their talk' and they not only don't, but
> then persist with secondary arguments based on
> soft-area assumptions like group behavior.

Yes, it was very easy to mimic the effect within a few seconds. You seem to be in total denial about this and I'm wondering why, unless you're simply one of the faithful who wants it to be true. You haven't addressed my point about the subdued crowd when the Sun blinking started, or the lack of any detailed description of what was meant by "dancing Sun", e.g., rather than "winking Sun" or some other descriptor that more accurately portrays what you believe happened. The fact is, the "Dancing" descriptor far more accurately refers to the morphing shape of the Sun's glare as the clouds pass by and not to any blinking of the Sun.


> Here's one from 2010, apparently. Another for you
> to produce evidence to compare to. To point
> 4 above, please also include a crowd that is all
> facing the sun, with an object and audio, as we
> see here in this video entitled "Medjugorje -
> Miracle of the Sun - May 2010": (1)
>
> [www.youtube.com]

It is totally unfathomable to me that you are suggesting that all those people are there witnessing such a blinking Sun with zero reaction from the crowd whatsoever. You're suggesting that a field full of people suddenly experienced en masse what is arguably the most amazing miracle in modern times, and they just stand there silently replying to the clergy's prayers?

Is that really what you think is going on?

Zero reaction from astrophysicists around the world. No statement by any state official, no detailed description from any of the faithful who directly observed this event. Nothing other than the "personal video" posted by "TheGospaMessages" user on YouTube.

Do you not agree that the artifact in this video and also this one (both by TheGospaMessages) is from an oversaturated photo chip?


> Some of your points are warranted, I would agree.
> Leaving aside the facts that many are, one might
> think that everybody would be looking at the Sun.
> However, this was not my own direct experience ...

What follows is an entirely different phenomenon which contains no evidence at all other than personal descriptions of perceptions and interpretation. I was only commenting on the blinking Sun effect in those posted videos.

Do you want to continue the discussion about your Sai Baba experience?


> In 1995...
> ... [a lengthy description of a different experience not relevant to blinking Sun has been omitted in this reply]
>...


> My answer to your concern is that this sort of
> reaction may be rather normal in certain settings,
> as it appeared to have been in the case of Sai
> Baba as many, many, many people associated with
> him have reported various kinds of 'supernatural'
> experiences. That would account for the
> variability of response in the Sun miracles, which
> was exactly what I noted when I looked about the
> crowd to see how other people were reacting:
> variable responses. My guess would be that the
> solar anomalies had been occurring for sometime
> prior to the footage presented. People had had
> time to adapt.

Well, still no details are given to what was seen other than "shooting stars" in your Sai Baba event.

And a "guess" is not evidence that can serve to authenticate such a report.

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Medjugorje - May 2010 241 PB Bytes 06-Jan-18 19:25
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Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 277 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 19:21
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 253 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:58
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Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 229 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 18:49
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 229 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 251 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 253 Eddie Larry 07-Jan-18 20:59
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 246 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 21:18
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 309 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 21:42
See ya, Phil 299 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 22:31
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 276 Eddie Larry 08-Jan-18 06:20
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 245 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 266 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 232 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 241 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 246 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 262 PB Bytes 08-Jan-18 03:46
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 320 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 265 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:57
Proselytizing: Not 299 PB Bytes 09-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Proselytizing: Not 312 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Proselytizing: Not 324 PB Bytes 09-Jan-18 05:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 293 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 14:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 327 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 247 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 252 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 218 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 331 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 292 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 245 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 263 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 275 PB Bytes 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 292 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 258 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 281 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 300 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 301 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 299 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 301 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 323 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 303 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 326 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 303 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 343 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 302 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 281 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 294 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 331 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 256 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 357 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 348 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 299 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 311 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 323 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 329 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 353 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 281 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 337 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 311 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 221 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 314 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 316 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 255 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 294 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 297 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 317 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 273 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 348 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 318 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 272 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 249 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 278 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 310 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 276 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 260 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 292 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 307 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 317 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 311 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 311 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 300 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 283 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 262 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 271 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 296 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 264 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 261 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 287 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 250 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 260 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 297 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 293 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 307 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 328 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 354 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 288 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 260 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 294 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 252 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 272 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 215 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 300 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 253 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 262 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 229 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 273 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 198 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 284 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 320 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 302 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 330 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 315 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 271 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 276 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 293 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 334 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 253 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 292 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 286 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 314 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 305 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 392 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 271 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 317 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 295 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 255 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 262 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 270 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 270 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 276 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 256 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 253 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 274 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 252 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 243 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 251 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 247 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 320 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 242 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 255 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 240 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 272 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 278 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 338 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 264 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 276 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 318 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 262 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 283 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 377 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 192 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 321 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 232 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 262 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 237 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 281 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 258 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 297 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 341 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 318 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 318 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 301 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 305 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 261 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 245 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 311 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 237 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 270 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 268 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 292 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 323 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 240 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 263 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 257 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 350 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 276 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 323 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 326 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 319 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 311 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 326 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 274 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 311 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 389 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 260 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 353 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 281 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 296 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 233 PB Bytes 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 371 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 289 PB Bytes 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 401 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 245 PB Bytes 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 288 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 283 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 333 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 244 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 330 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 321 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 341 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 239 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 316 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 258 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 357 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 279 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 342 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 286 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 296 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 305 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 218 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 245 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 294 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 266 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 302 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 345 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 261 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 297 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 288 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 280 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 260 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 388 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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