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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> With all due respect to Eli, the ability to quote
> scripture does not equate to "knowing". Far from
> it. Go to church on Sunday and despite the fact
> your minister can quote passages all day long I am
> certain they know little to nothing about history
> outside of the "history" told by the Bible and the
> interpretation of that "history" given to them by
> the church.
>


First off, no offense taken but I will point out that your assumption that I am ignorant of the relative history of the geo-political landscape is false. All you have done is base an argument on which culture wrote what first about shared experiences as opposed to which narrative of the event is most credible.

>
> If this were true there would be no Christians.
> Genesis 11:2:
> And it came to pass, as they [Noah's
> descendants after the Flood] journeyed from the
> east, that they found a plain in the land of
> Shinar; and they dwelt there.
>
> Shinar is the Hebrew word for Sumer, i.e. southern
> Mesopotamia. It is here writing was invented c.
> 3500BC in which the first books of the Bible [Old
> Testament] were written some 2700-3,000yrs later.
> Yahweh himself was not invented until c. 1400BC in
> which he was a conglomeration of other tribal gods
> and it was not until c. 900BC that Yahweh became a
> national god when the states of Israel and Judah
> were formed.
>
> If you read the Bible, you will see that Abraham,
> the patriarch of what would later become the
> Hebrews, lived in the city of Ur which tradition
> holds was sometime in the 19th century BC. Ur is
> an ancient Sumerian city which at that time was
> ruled by the Akkadians, also prolific writers, who
> ursupred Sumer c. 24th century BC under Sargon the
> Great. Abraham was Akkadian. Before him there was
> no such thing as a "Hebrew" and for long after for
> that matter. Nor was there any such thing as a
> Yahweh. There were however many other gods as well
> as a common
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,10
> 48435,page=1]Flood story[/url] which the Biblical
> tale is a much later revision. The Sumerians also
> had an "Adam", the first man created from clay by
> the gods. According to the Mesopotamian epic the
> Enuma Elish:
>

You appear to have attempted to provide a link to a forum discussion that is not working so I trust you'll understand if the following concerns were already addressed.

According to the available documents the title Yahweh is first used in Gen 2 but he does not reveal himself (setting aside his alleged role in the creation and flood stories) until after the time when humanity began to establish nations with national gods because he wanted to establish a nation to represent himself according to the narrative. Furthermore, the unique innovation to the region of the Yahwists was the development of a monotheistic principle which obviously was not the result of influence from a polytheistic society. So I don’t understand the value of this argument at all.


> [quote]When the gods like men
> Bore the work and suffered the toll
> The toil of the gods was great,
> The work was heavy, the distress was much.
>
> …
> In the clay, god and man
> Shall be bound,
> To a unity brought together;
> So that to the end of days
> The Flesh and the Soul
> Which in a god have ripened –
> That soul in a blood-kinship be bound.[/quote]
>

So, before Abraham existed there were no Hebrews who are descendants of Abraham?

Additionally, I would challenge the credulity of the argument that after 430 years of living under Egyptian rule the Hebrews wrote an account of creation that is influenced by the Sumerians just because Abraham was born there. Is it not a far more likely argument that the similarities of accounts of a flood are the result of various oral traditions about a shared historical event. The narrative of the bible simply makes the claim that it’s source of information is the revelation of a god rather than tradition.

As to other similarities. We all experience similar forces of nature, the same celestial events and have seen that the dead turn to dust. A distinct difference in these narratives is the belief that the gods created humanity to serve them as opposed to a god attempting to create other gods ("in his image he created man") by perfecting the character of humanity.


> No Yahweh, sorry. Never heard of him as he would
> not be invented for another 1,000yrs or more. The
> fact is, intellectually and historically speaking,
> when you look at actual history prior to the first
> books of the Bible being written, most having not
> existed yet being largely a response of Hebrew
> tradition being wiped out by the Babylonian
> conquest of Judah under Nebuchadnezzar II in
> 597BC, despite volume after volume of writing from
> numerous cultures-there is no evidence whatsoever
> to corroborate one word of the supernatural
> actions of the Hebrew god Yahweh in any way shape
> or form. No one cared, and again, keep in mind
> that there was over 2,000yrs of writing before
> Yahweh was even invented. So no one knew of him
> before and other than the Hebrews no one cared
> after.
>

I’m always surprised by this argument in that first of all it assumes that a loyal polytheist would go to the trouble (not so easy as putting pen to paper) of recording the beliefs, victories and failures of a small monotheistic society. Additionally, I find it astounding that the accuracy of the attributes of the Egyptian gods as told in the Biblical account of the war of the Gods (Exodus) has not been a greater focus at GHMB.

> Jesus is no better and the fact is the Old
> Testament and New Testament were never meant to be
> joined together. The Dead Sea Scrolls were written
> between 150BC and 70AD, otherwise directly before,
> during, and after Jesus lived and were written by
> the Essenes, one of the main Jewish sects of the
> period. And not one single word mentions "Jesus".
> Never heard of him. Don;t you think it strange
> that the most religious believers of the Old
> Testament, who lived during and after Jesus
> supposedly lived, never heard of him? Nor did the
> Romans of whose empire Jesus went around
> supposedly performing miracles in front of
> sometimes thousands of people? Yes no one thought
> to write any of this down in the most literate
> place on earth at the time? Hmmm.
>

Again, why would anyone assume that a foreign nation would write about the life and times of a perceived Jewish false Messiah that was crucified and died like so many other criminals of his day. Why would the Jewish scribes record that the Sanhedrin had him killed by providing false testimony regarding claims that he had not made due to their fear of Roman intervention in their national affairs.

No, I don’t think that this is at all strange. Is it strange to you that such an alleged insignificant figure would be worshiped by so many 2000 years later?


> Sorry, but to predicate one's beliefs in
> Christianity on a "purely intellectual and
> historical level" is to not know history.

Really?

Eli

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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 325 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:59
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 286 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 256 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:18
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 265 Audrey 02-Jan-18 06:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 266 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:21
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 374 cladking 31-Dec-17 15:19
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 253 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:10
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 243 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 275 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 286 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 352 Aine 01-Jan-18 03:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 255 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 258 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 09:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 285 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 284 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:28
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 257 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 17:41
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 257 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 240 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 17:57
It's impossible 234 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:58
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Re: It's impossible 286 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:40
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Re: It's impossible 263 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:46
Re: It's impossible 276 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 15:40
Re: It's impossible 306 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:47
Re: It's impossible 258 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 17:44
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Re: It's impossible 227 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 04:57
Re: It's impossible 226 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:39
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But I lack the pictures! n/t 332 cladking 31-Dec-17 21:25
My interpretation 292 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:35
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 370 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 237 eli stills 03-Jan-18 02:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 297 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 23:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 251 eli stills 04-Jan-18 02:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 221 Origyptian 04-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 264 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 06:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 315 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 312 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 19:17
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 299 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:22
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 265 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 23:25
Kerala 2016 293 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Kerala 2016 253 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:38
Re: Kerala 2016 276 PB Bytes 04-Jan-18 00:16
and Back to Nigeria 2017 243 PB Bytes 04-Jan-18 05:43
Re: and Back to Nigeria 2017 311 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 16:16
Medjugorje - May 2010 241 PB Bytes 06-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 279 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 277 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 19:21
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 252 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:58
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 203 PB Bytes 08-Jan-18 04:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 229 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 18:49
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 229 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 251 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 253 Eddie Larry 07-Jan-18 20:59
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 245 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 21:18
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 309 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 21:42
See ya, Phil 299 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 22:31
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 276 Eddie Larry 08-Jan-18 06:20
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 245 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 265 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 232 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 241 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 246 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 262 PB Bytes 08-Jan-18 03:46
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 320 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 265 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:57
Proselytizing: Not 298 PB Bytes 09-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Proselytizing: Not 312 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Proselytizing: Not 324 PB Bytes 09-Jan-18 05:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 293 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 14:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 327 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 246 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 251 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 217 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 331 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 291 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 245 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 263 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 275 PB Bytes 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 291 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 258 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 280 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 300 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 301 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 299 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 301 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 322 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 303 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 326 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 303 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 343 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 302 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 281 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 294 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 331 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 256 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 357 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 348 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 298 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 311 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 323 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 329 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 353 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 280 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 337 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 311 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 221 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 314 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 316 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 255 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 293 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 296 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 317 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 272 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 348 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 318 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 272 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 249 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 277 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 310 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 275 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 260 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 292 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 306 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 317 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 310 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 311 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 300 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 282 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 262 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 271 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 295 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 263 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 261 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 287 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 249 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 260 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 297 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 293 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 307 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 328 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 354 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 288 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 260 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 294 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 252 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 272 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 215 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 300 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 252 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 262 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 229 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 273 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 197 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 284 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 320 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 302 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 329 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 315 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 271 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 276 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 293 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 333 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 253 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 292 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 285 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 314 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 305 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 392 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 271 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 317 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 295 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 255 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 261 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 269 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 270 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 276 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 256 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 253 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 274 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 252 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 243 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 251 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 247 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 320 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 242 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 255 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 240 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 271 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 278 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 338 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 264 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 276 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 318 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 262 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 283 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 377 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 192 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 321 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 232 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 262 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 237 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 279 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 257 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 297 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 340 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 317 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 318 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 301 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 304 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 261 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 244 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 311 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 236 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 270 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 268 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 292 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 322 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 240 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 263 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 256 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 350 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 276 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 323 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 325 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 319 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 311 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 325 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 273 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 311 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 389 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 259 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 353 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 281 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 296 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 232 PB Bytes 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 371 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 289 PB Bytes 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 401 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 245 PB Bytes 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 288 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 283 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 333 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 244 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 330 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 321 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 340 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 239 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 316 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 258 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 357 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 279 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 341 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 286 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 296 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 305 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 218 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 245 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 294 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 266 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 302 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 344 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 260 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 297 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 288 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 280 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 260 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 388 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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