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Apap Wrote:
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> From the numbers I can find it seems as if the
> coffer is just less than half an inch wider than
> the lowest point of the AP.

Interestingly Petrie states.. Great Pyramid Ch 3 Page 21, that the lower granite plug block is 38.2 inches wide.
Which compares with a maximum coffer width of 38.507 inches. A difference of just 0.307 of an inch, over two sides!
0.1535 of an inch per side.

Although we must bear in mind that the plug block is an interference fit.
We must also bear in mind the by modern standards relatively primitive measuring equipment used by Petrie.

Since the rest of the
> passages seem to be tailor-made for the
> sarcophagus to pass through (the DP, the majority
> of the AP, and the passages leading to the KC) is
> it possible that the lower AP was finished last,
> just prior to releasing the plug blocks?

The block arrangement at the lower extremity of the AP was totally buried in masonry. Therefore accurate data from this region is scarce. There is visual access to some of the western side caused by the Mamoun excavation, however I'm not aware of any serious attempt to survey and tabulate dimensions and block types.. girdle, compound girdle, multi block etc.


It would
> make sense from a labor stand-point to offer a
> larger tunnel during construction and block it up
> on the way out.

I think I see your point. Effectively building a larger tunnel and then lining it afterwards? From the top down?
I guess it's possible. The only argument against it that I can see would be the difficulty in installation of the full girdles that are at the lower end, above and adjacent to the plug Blocks. (Illustrated in the M&R drawings).


John, you're the expert on the
> weird-ass AP stone-work- do you see anything that
> could imply this?

It's certainly "weird ass" in many ways.
To be honest and at this time the chronology of construction is of little interest to me.
I'm at present more interested in the design processes.
It certainly could have been designed from the top down. The 'form follows function' trail.

The AP and AC are features that are at present not fully understood. Very little serious work has been done or published.
IMO these two features best demonstrate and possibly hold the key to the overall design philosophy until further discoveries are made and data published.

I'm currently trying to understand the design elements and the directly observable physical relationships within these two features.
Hence my observations regarding the physical and geometrical correlations between the coffer and the antechamber.

I can accept one coincidence, but a coincidence squared, cubed and even to the power of four I find difficult to accept :)

Lastly there seems to be a a certain amount of myth and hearsay floating around. I was previously under the distinct impression that the coffer wouldn't fit into the KC entrance, I was also under the impression that the coffer couldn't be negotiated around the AP DP intersection due to the passage angles, which if the Petrie measurements and M&R drawings are accurate clearly isn't the case.

I'd recommend reading Dune's thread. Observational, analytical and most importantly not opinionated.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 18-Nov-17 09:39 by Jon Ellison.

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Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 2904 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 21:06
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 485 Sirfiroth 16-Nov-17 22:08
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 560 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 23:01
Irrelevant 440 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Nov-17 00:26
Re: Irrelevant 474 Jon Ellison 17-Nov-17 09:01
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 415 Origyptian 16-Nov-17 23:10
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 444 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 23:18
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 490 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 23:27
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 380 cladking 17-Nov-17 15:35
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 485 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 09:43
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 376 cladking 18-Nov-17 14:58
Re: Wave form systems 390 Thunderbird 18-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Wave form systems 316 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 18:41
Re: Wave form systems 478 Thunderbird 18-Nov-17 23:00
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 279 John B 12-Jan-18 23:57
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 376 Jon Ellison 13-Jan-18 00:02
W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 538 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Nov-17 00:24
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 458 Origyptian 17-Nov-17 04:32
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 466 Apap 17-Nov-17 23:01
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 355 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 09:35
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 446 Apap 21-Nov-17 00:55
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 401 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 06:08
on the other hand.... 370 Warwick 18-Nov-17 18:51
Re: on the other hand.... 402 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 19:41
Re: on the other hand.... 444 Origyptian 19-Nov-17 15:59
Re: on the other hand.... 397 Jon Ellison 20-Nov-17 19:13
Re: on the other hand.... 370 Origyptian 20-Nov-17 20:08
Re: on the other hand.... 319 DUNE 20-Nov-17 21:13
Re: on the other hand.... 317 Origyptian 20-Nov-17 22:39
Re: on the other hand.... 283 M. J. Thomas 20-Nov-17 23:53
Re: on the other hand.... 337 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 08:43
Re: on the other hand.... 321 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 09:48
Re: on the other hand.... 325 DUNE 21-Nov-17 10:29
Re: on the other hand.... 420 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 10:50
Re: on the other hand.... 349 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 11:19
Re: on the other hand.... 374 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 11:29
Re: on the other hand.... 341 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 13:38
Re: on the other hand.... 366 DUNE 21-Nov-17 15:54
Re: on the other hand.... 303 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 16:22
Re: on the other hand.... 305 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 16:30
Re: on the other hand.... 425 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 16:38
Re: on the other hand.... 262 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 17:48
Re: on the other hand.... 335 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 17:04
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 326 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 17:26
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 281 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 17:50
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 265 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 17:58
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 297 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 18:30
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 295 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 18:52
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 356 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 19:00
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 329 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 19:23
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 290 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 19:44
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 365 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 19:52
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 274 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 19:32
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 289 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 19:25
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 326 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 22:26
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 279 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 22:48
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 328 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 23:01
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 264 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 23:06
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 313 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 23:28
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 301 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 23:49
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 421 Jon Ellison 22-Nov-17 01:01
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 386 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 18:51
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 324 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 19:08
Re: on the other hand.... 280 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 17:43
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 429 Apap 22-Nov-17 18:14
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 421 Origyptian 22-Nov-17 19:13
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 517 Jon Ellison 22-Nov-17 22:02
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 430 Spiros 17-Nov-17 12:07
Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 438 Jon Ellison 25-Nov-17 02:31
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 328 Jon Ellison 25-Nov-17 11:26
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 315 Thunderbird 25-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 291 Origyptian 25-Nov-17 19:02
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 319 Thunderbird 25-Nov-17 20:08
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 293 Thunderbird 25-Nov-17 20:32
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 343 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 01:17
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 454 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 01:57
Block Kings Chamber 821 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 10:38
Re: Block Kings Chamber 322 Open mind 12-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Block Kings Chamber 278 Jon Ellison 12-Jan-18 13:48
Re: Block Kings Chamber 248 Open mind 12-Jan-18 17:07
Re: Block Kings Chamber 268 Origyptian 12-Jan-18 18:31
Re: Block Kings Chamber 244 Open mind 12-Jan-18 18:39
Re: Block Kings Chamber 266 Origyptian 12-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Block Kings Chamber 249 Open mind 12-Jan-18 19:36
Re: Block Kings Chamber 285 Open mind 12-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Block Kings Chamber 294 Open mind 12-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 294 John B 12-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 284 Jon Ellison 12-Jan-18 23:25


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