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> Have you ever held an adze in your hands?
Yes.
> Do you have the vaguest idea of how well it works
> in the hands of a craftsman?
It works well on wood. I can only guess how it works on stone because it's outside my experience. I have used such a tool on hard clay and found it mostly wanting though.
> Have you ever chisel and hammered stone?
Extensively. Even with steel on Indiana limestone it is not very effective.
> Have you appreciated how angle, slope and force
> can thru infinite combination achieve virtually
> infinite results?
No. But my experience is limited here.
> Are you patient?
Hardly at all.
> How do you define 'simple tools'
"Simple machines" are tools with one moving part. Like a "pulley" "simple machines" are really quite complex in nature. Most simple tools are made for a specific task and have no moving parts.
> very few tools have been found "IN" tombs.
> Representations of tools and craftman have been
> found in relief and models.
Virtually every single thing known about the Egyptians came from a tomb or near a tomb. Even the language was analyzed in terms of the "book of the dead" which is associated with... ...well... ...death. And Tombs!
> is it simple serendipity that the same tool used
> to construct a King's Tomb, Opened his Mouth?
>
> or is the symbolism blatant?
There is no evidence that they had the word "symbolism" or understood its meaning. That it was the same tool is because their language and thought was representative. It's more of what Egyptologists refer to as "puns" than it is any sort of "symbolism". They wouldn't even understand the concept. We made the assumption that the pyramid builders were just like us and this is where we went wrong. The pyramid builders couldn't have been more different. They did not think like we do. They didn't even have the word "thought" and they said understanding arose like a lily from under the water. They said that they acted the second moment after perception. They said such screwball things because they didn't think like we do and not because they were superstitious or didn't think straight.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 23-Feb-20 22:34 by cladking.
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> Have you ever held an adze in your hands?
Yes.
> Do you have the vaguest idea of how well it works
> in the hands of a craftsman?
It works well on wood. I can only guess how it works on stone because it's outside my experience. I have used such a tool on hard clay and found it mostly wanting though.
> Have you ever chisel and hammered stone?
Extensively. Even with steel on Indiana limestone it is not very effective.
> Have you appreciated how angle, slope and force
> can thru infinite combination achieve virtually
> infinite results?
No. But my experience is limited here.
> Are you patient?
Hardly at all.
> How do you define 'simple tools'
"Simple machines" are tools with one moving part. Like a "pulley" "simple machines" are really quite complex in nature. Most simple tools are made for a specific task and have no moving parts.
> very few tools have been found "IN" tombs.
> Representations of tools and craftman have been
> found in relief and models.
Virtually every single thing known about the Egyptians came from a tomb or near a tomb. Even the language was analyzed in terms of the "book of the dead" which is associated with... ...well... ...death. And Tombs!
> is it simple serendipity that the same tool used
> to construct a King's Tomb, Opened his Mouth?
>
> or is the symbolism blatant?
There is no evidence that they had the word "symbolism" or understood its meaning. That it was the same tool is because their language and thought was representative. It's more of what Egyptologists refer to as "puns" than it is any sort of "symbolism". They wouldn't even understand the concept. We made the assumption that the pyramid builders were just like us and this is where we went wrong. The pyramid builders couldn't have been more different. They did not think like we do. They didn't even have the word "thought" and they said understanding arose like a lily from under the water. They said that they acted the second moment after perception. They said such screwball things because they didn't think like we do and not because they were superstitious or didn't think straight.
Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 23-Feb-20 22:34 by cladking.
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