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Origyptian Wrote:
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> I think this is the most damning part of that
> story. There is no logical scenario in which a
> cart would follow the exact same
> path to make such clearly defined ruts. Rather,
> any ruts caused by many thousands of cart runs
> long such a terrain would leave broad, shallow
> valleys around the tracks that represent the
> slight deviation from an exact path. Such broad
> shallow recesses would gradually slip into a
> central deeper rut as additional cart runs ensue,
> but that's not what we see. There is also no
> evidence of any beast of burden having applied any
> traction to the bedrock representing an effort to
> haul such huge weights that would cause that kind
> of 'erosion' into such stone. So what's the energy
> source of the authors' model?

One of my biggest problems with the calculations in that paper was the usage of something they referred to as the "stress concentration factor" which sort of magically allowed them to magnify the erosive effects of cart wheels by a factor of ten. As a result they concluded that the passage of a single unladen cart while the limestone was wet would cause structural failure in the limestone significant enough to erode it noticably.
They figured a cart would weigh around 0.6 tons. Remove the "stress concentration factor" and suddenly you need carts pulling 6 ton loads before any erosion begins, which seems far more plausible to me...?

In any case, the entire cart argument strikes me as a kind of special pleading.

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Clapham Junction Malta 2074 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 578 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 437 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 615 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 461 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 393 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 361 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 369 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 364 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 317 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 344 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 348 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 309 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 350 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 325 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 340 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 333 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 282 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 269 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 393 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 243 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 296 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 260 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 352 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 357 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 454 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 245 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 350 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 372 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 299 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 343 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
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Re: Turkey Tracks 324 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 04:22
Re: Turkey Tracks 398 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 396 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 302 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 255 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 05:00
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Re: Turkey Tracks 288 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 19:15
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Re: Turkey Tracks 260 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 353 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:34
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Re: Turkey Tracks 279 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:44
Re: Turkey Tracks 255 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 426 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 276 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 359 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
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Re: Turkey Tracks 267 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
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Re: Turkey Tracks 287 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
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Re: Turkey Tracks 299 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 266 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 270 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 425 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 284 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 280 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 265 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 251 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 320 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 259 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 277 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 291 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 318 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 272 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 321 Mike D 28-Nov-17 14:55
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 219 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 270 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 255 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 376 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 320 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 221 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 250 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 220 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 307 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 433 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 280 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 249 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 321 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 286 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 245 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 413 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 255 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 295 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 237 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 296 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 235 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 262 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 301 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:18
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 597 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 288 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 288 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 275 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 526 molder 18-Nov-17 22:20
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 315 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:35
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Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 289 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 327 Mike D 30-Nov-17 10:59


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