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Mike D Wrote:
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> Before to answer to you on your point, hereunder
> is a post to Harry Wolf to expose the geological
> question raising about Malta ruts: About 90% of
> them run on the most recent limestone layer, the
> Coralline, whereas they are only a few on older
> and softer limestone layer, namely Globigerina.
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,11
> 20291,1124753#msg-1124753]Malta geology and cart
> ruts distribution correspondence[/url]
> And after, please see my answer to Jon to clarify
> my views and state of mind:
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,11
> 20291,1124920#msg-1124920]Answer to Jon
> Ellison[/url]
> To me, even if I am not opposed to the theory of
> very, very old imprints on soft clay that turn out
> solid afterwards, I don't think it can apply to
> the case of Malta, altough they must also be old,
> before catastrophes in the Mediterranean, may be
> contemporary of Atlantis, not impossible to me.
> Considering that more wet paleo climate may have
> helped the wear of tracks, I am thinking here to
> Robert Soch claims about the water erosion of
> Gizah Sphinx.
> Now, to answer your question: [quote="Tsurugi
> question:"]
> That said, your observations of quarry features
> around rut "hubs" is very interesting. Question:
> is there anything you noticed that definitely
> makes the quarry features and the ruts
> contemporary?
> [/quote]
> I cannot say definitely, not being a geologist,
> nor a quarry expert. But being an engineer
> familiar with technical and production questions,
> Clapham Junction looked to me a very old (stones
> wear, ground erosion) and well organised quarry.
> In the beginning it seems just to be a mess with
> random "cart ruts". And little by little you begin
> to understand the overall pattern, but it comes
> gradually.
> On the sides of the ruts areas are clear patches
> of rock extraction patterns, but they don't lie
> beside ruts and maybe are younger than ruts. Maybe
> Punic, Greek, Roman.
> But in the end I realized that in ruts areas we
> were walking on man-made artificially levelled
> parallel strips of rocky terrain, all flat (and
> inclined), all of same limited height and width.
> The idea of cutting benches became pregnant. And
> then I realized that they were all crossed by
> parallel cart ruts, and the crossing angle was
> constant. It seem to me that cutting benches were
> following geological sedimentary layers to
> optimize rock quality, whereas ruts direction was
> defined to optimize a constant tracks slope.
> No evidence of course.

Hi Mike..
No Worries..

One of the problems I have with the "Ruts cut by repeated traffic" idea is that where we see genuine cart ruts . Roman etc.. they are usually the result of the vehicles being constricted by a built road, side walls or a natural choke point. Not meandering all over the landscape. It would take the passing of probably hundreds of carts to even begin to define a cart track which could be subsequently followed by more carts. Of course this is entirely understandable in the case of a road or choke point as above.
Question is.. How do the meandering cart tracks on rock get started for others to follow? How did cart number two follow exactly cart number one? and so on until there was something well enough defined to follow.
One of the reasons why I currently think that the ruts are not the result high intensity, repeated traffic on hard stuff.
Rather low frequency traffic on soft stuff that is deliberately trying to avoid previous tracks.. For example driving a 4X4 over a deeply rutted, un-constricted area, you tend to try to stay out of the ruts due to your axle height and ground clearance issues. Resulting in sets of tracks meandering all over the place. The "Ski Resort" effect.

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Clapham Junction Malta 2074 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 578 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 437 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 616 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 461 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 394 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 361 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 369 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 365 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 318 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 344 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 348 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 309 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 350 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 326 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 340 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 333 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 283 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 270 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 393 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 244 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 296 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 260 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 352 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 357 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 455 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 245 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 350 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 373 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 299 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 344 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
Re: Turkey Tracks 358 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 03:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 324 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 04:22
Re: Turkey Tracks 398 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 397 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 302 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 302 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 19:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 236 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 04:07
Re: Turkey Tracks 255 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 05:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 283 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 18:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 288 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 19:15
Re: Turkey Tracks 253 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 19:20
Re: Turkey Tracks 261 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 287 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 20:12
Re: Turkey Tracks 353 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:34
Re: Turkey Tracks 290 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Turkey Tracks 279 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:44
Re: Turkey Tracks 256 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 427 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 276 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 359 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 317 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 268 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
Re: Turkey Tracks 456 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 345 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 287 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 242 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 328 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 299 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 267 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 357 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 270 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 425 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 284 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 282 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 265 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 251 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 320 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 260 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 278 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 291 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 318 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 273 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 265 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 257 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 291 Mike D 28-Nov-17 11:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 271 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 322 Mike D 28-Nov-17 14:55
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 219 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 270 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 257 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 377 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 322 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 221 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 250 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 220 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 307 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 433 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 280 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 249 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 322 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 286 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 245 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 414 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 256 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 296 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 237 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 296 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 235 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 263 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 278 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 302 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:18
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 597 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 288 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 288 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 275 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 526 molder 18-Nov-17 22:20
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 316 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 279 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:46
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 290 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 327 Mike D 30-Nov-17 10:59


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