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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Their hypothesis is that the limestone softens
> when it gets wet so that carts using the exact
> same path will eventually cut into the bedrock
> leaving those tracks. And when the track gets too
> deep to continue using, another path is chosen,
> which itself eventually gets worn into a track,
> etc.

Yes that is a popular hypothesis, but it only works if you sort of squint at it while it's at the edge of your peripheral vision and you don't look too long (imo).

As soon as I start thinking about that hypothesis, the first question I have is, if the passage of the carts can dig ruts in limestone up to three feet deep, where are the tracks of the beasts of burden being used to pull the carts? I mentioned this in my initial post, and Jon asked it a few replies back. It is a good question; the answer is that there are no corresponding animal tracks between the ruts. Sometimes there are irregularities between a given set of ruts that might be tracks of some kind, however, these tracks(if that is what these irregularities are) are so heavily degraded that it is impossible to tell what they are. And they only appear in short stretches between a given set of ruts.

Next question, how did large-wheeled fixed-axle carts actually move along these ruts? They are too deep, too narrow. Going into a turn would break the wheels and probably snap the axle. At the very least, the cart would get jammed and be unable to move

Next question, what about the ruts that are 10-12 inches across each rut? They are too uniform to be anything but ruts made by wheels that are in fact close to the width indicated by the ruts. AFAIK wheels stayed rail-thin until the advent of inflated tires. The "limestone softened by rain" hypothesis doesn't really work if wheels have to somehow cut channels much wider than they are, with a relatively stable and uniform cross-section.

Next question, what about the ruts in rock other than limestone?

Next question, what about ruts that go right over cliff edges, or down beneath sea level? Remember that on Malta at least, human occupation is not supposed to begin until the Neolithic period, long after any major sea level rises have taken place. And how long exactly does it take, how many passes would it require, for the wooden wheels of a cart to cut deeply into stone? A hundred thousand passes? A million? It makes me suspicious that this idea is tossed out there as a tentative hypothesis, but no one seems keen to actually test it, you know, by setting up something fairly simple so that wooden cart wheels with heavy loads on them roll back and forth across limestone kept wet with a sprinkler or something to see if we can actually produce a rut this way. Instead, what we see is that the tentative hypothesis, after being unchallenged for a certain amount of time, begins to be referred to as fact.

I live on a limestone plateau. No wooden wheel ever cut into any limestone, if you ask me :)


P. S. I am arguing against the hypothesis, not Origyptian.

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Clapham Junction Malta 2145 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 616 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 470 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 661 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 492 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 429 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 400 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 399 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 398 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 350 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 374 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 383 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 334 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 380 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 356 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 372 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 369 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 312 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 305 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 426 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 281 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 325 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 290 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 385 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 391 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 486 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 273 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 377 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 301 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 473 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
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The Diolkos 299 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 286 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 356 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 298 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 316 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 277 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
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