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Thanos5150 Wrote:

> I'm right there with you. Ironic this would come
> up, and when I say thanks for the link I mean it,
> as I am slowly working on a book which I just
> finished the rough draft of the 1st chapter that
> deals with flood myths, namely how its origins
> come from Mesopotamia, which chapt 2 is going
> right here to this topic of discussion namely
> where did the event of the Flood myth occur, when,
> and who were the people who were forced to migrate
> as a result and where did they go. My working
> timeframe for the Flood has been 6,000BC and there
> are several events that may fit the bill that all
> occurred at this time with the Black Sea flood
> being but one. This paper concludes it dates a
> little older which kind of throws a monkey wrench
> into where I was going but it got me thinking of
> other possibilities.

Excellent! Put me down for a pre-order. :))

>
> The main cultures of the period c. 6,000BC in
> Mesopotamia are the Halaf and Ubaid. The Halaf are
> in the north running in a swath from Syria through
> Anatolia to the Caucasus. The Ubaid, which are
> really the true progenitors of Mesopotamian
> civilization, supposedly came from southern Iraq
> c. 6500BC which they quickly spread out all across
> Mesopotamia, the Levant, and Anatolia. New finds
> in Syria though are pushing their northern
> occupation to 6200BC which the 6500BC date in the
> south isn't all that secure anyways. To make along
> story short, I am on the hunt for the origins of
> the Ubaid which I had always theorized came from
> the north regardless of the dating, but this has
> been nagging at me:

It's about time someone looked in an obvious (IMO, at any rate) location. However, I always thought the Ubaids were a northern people before migrating to Mesopotamia, or am I confusing them with another tribe? (Starts with V, the name escapes me at the moment.) Anyway, the Persian Gulf was mostly dry until around 6,000 years ago, which would be as late as 4000 BC. That's well within the range of the supposed beginnings of civilization, contemporaneous with the building frenzy in Ireland and the British Isles. Here's a page from the University of California at Santa Barbara:

[emvc.geol.ucsb.edu]

Download the animation. I couldn't watch it because, well, work computer but there's a PowerPoint you might be interested in.

That event is recorded somewhere. It has to be.

Now, here's an off the wall speculation. Could the Persian Gulf be the homeland of the Dilmun, who controlled the entire region?


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In recent years, archaeologists have turned
> up evidence of a wave of human settlements along
> the shores of the Gulf dating to about 7,500 years
> ago. "Where before there had been but a handful of
> scattered hunting camps, suddenly, over 60 new
> archaeological sites appear virtually overnight,"
> Rose said. "These settlements boast well-built,
> permanent stone houses, long-distance trade
> networks, elaborately decorated pottery,
> domesticated animals, and even evidence for one of
> the oldest boats in the world."....
>
> "Perhaps it is no coincidence that the founding of
> such remarkably well developed communities along
> the shoreline corresponds with the flooding of the
> Persian Gulf basin around 8,000 years ago," Rose
> said. "These new colonists may have come from the
> heart of the Gulf, displaced by rising water
> levels that plunged the once fertile landscape
> beneath the waters of the Indian Ocean."
>
> Posited to have been brought about by the outburst
> flood of
> [url=http://www.canada.com/technology/Massive+Cana
> dian+melt+have+triggered+flood+biblical+proportion
> s/3954124/story.html]Lake Agassiz c.
> 6000BC[/url].
>
> So the question I am grappling with is did the
> Ubaid originate from the south somewhere in or
> beyond the Persian Gulf or north from the
> Caucasus?


I always thought it was north, but I'm willing to be proven wrong. The Bulgarians and the Romanians protest loudly that civilization, and the Mesopotamians, came from their region; ie, the Black Sea region. Maybe they are right and the Ubaids were part of that.

In the spring, at the end of the day, you should smell like earth. ~ Margaret Atwood

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Re: Adji Kui- Turkmenistan One of the Greatest Ancient Cities on Earth 312 Thanos5150 27-Sep-17 17:54
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Re: Adji Kui- Turkmenistan One of the Greatest Ancient Cities on Earth 328 Thanos5150 07-Oct-17 03:50
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