Mysteries :  The Official GrahamHancock.com forums
For serious discussion of the controversies, approaches and enigmas surrounding the origins and development of the human species and of human civilization. (NB: for more ‘out there’ posts we point you in the direction of the ‘Paranormal & Supernatural’ Message Board). 
Welcome! Log InRegister
Thanos5150 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Origyptian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > What's your point, Thanos? Are you saying the only
> > way you can think of making such a "slurry" is to
> > crush the stone with a machine, and so therefore
> > that was the only way it could have been done?
>
> How could it be done without the use of machines
> doctor? It's a simple question which your imposing
> a lack of imagination on me does not answer.

100 years ago humans thought the "sound barrier" was impenetrable.
200 years ago they thought the only way to boil water was by applying heat.
300 years ago they thought humans couldn't fly.
Just because they couldn't think of a way doesn't mean there isn't a way. Right?


> > Can you fathom that perhaps things might have been
> > done in ways we still don't understand?
>
> Unless it was done by magic then I am not sure how
> they did it is beyond our understanding regardless
> of the method they used.

Not knowing how else it could have been done clearly doesn't mean it couldn't have been done another way that we haven't discovered yet.


> > Do you suppose that all we know today is all there is to
> > know, or that we already know all that was ever known in the past?
>
> So your answer to the question is....? Nothing.

I don't understand that conclusion. There is no practical explanation for how dozens of 70 ton slabs of granite were quarried in Aswan, lifted, shaped, and transported to some kind of boat that could carry such beasts 600 miles down the Nile to Cairo, then lifted off, transported to the construction site, and lifted 160 feet up a pyramid where each one was precision fit into place, not to mention there being zero evidence in the historic record of any such thing taking place according to anything close to the currently accepted timeline. No tools or methods in the artifacts, inscriptions, or papyri, and nothing in any tomb of a mason, foreman, architect, priest, or royalty. No record of any of the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of spectators who surely would have seen those things beng built over that 200 year span in the Old Kingdom. There's "Nothing" all over the place, and it needs to be reconciled.


> > And are you saying that it's not your "opinion"
> > that such a slurry was made by mechanically
> > crushing a stone with a machine,
>
> Please be honest doctor. Regarding my "opinion" in
> your own words it was in reference to:
> "Regarding the rest of your post, you're
> certainly entitled to your own opinion."
which
> was about the whole "90%" business, curiously
> omitted from your response. Why do you try and
> make it something you know it was not?

There you go, initiating insults again. So I'm being dishonest again, eh? I said that "I recall" it was more than 90% which is 91%. You say 90%. OK then, make it 90%. Whether that's a significant difference to you, it's totally irrelevant to the point I was making.


> > but that if it
> > was a slurry then crushing it would have been the
> > only way it could have been done
> > simply because you personally cannot think of any
> > other way it could have been done?
>
> But yes, it would be my "opinion" granite slurry
> would be made from crushing granite into the
> smallest pieces possible which given I don't think
> it is practical they used hammers and adzes for
> the more industrial component of the work I would
> certainly vote for the use of some kind of
> machine. Which could be quite simple, say
> something like this:
> [lonestardrills.com][/img]
>
> Though I don't think they made granite concrete,
> "slurry", in the least, I find the idea quite lame
> devoid of any evidence or practicality whatsoever,
> but if I were to imagine such things, yes, I
> think they would have crushed it first little
> different in principle than we do today.

So then you acknowledge it's your own opinion.
So what's the fuss about?


> But since I have no imagination maybe you can explain a way
> they would make granite slurry without the use of machines.

You are implying that if we can't think of how else it was done then there must not have been any other way. Yes, that does indeed convey a lack of imagination. It's an example of the notion that the humble 3 pounds of fat, water, and protein between our ears is sufficient to understand all the laws of physics that apply in the universe, all the forces of nature that control the timeline of life in the universe. It's astounding how many people rush torequire that it all fit into our own H. Sapiens logic. How do we reconcile all those megaliths at Baalbek, the andesite stonework in the Andes, stone boxes in the Serapeum with such a simplistic view of "machines" within a late stone age setting?


> > Why are you always looking for a fight when you
> > disagree with someone?
>
> I asked you a simple question doctor which your
> hystrionics and personal attacks on me seem to be
> nothing more than a smoke screen to avoid the
> inequity of your reasoning.

What personal attacks have I initiated?! Rather, you, consistent with your predictable inability to allow a different perspective than your own, immediately felt the need to resort to invoking legends and other sarcasm instead of simply engaging in civil dialog. Clearly, you don't even know you're doing it.

> No one is "picking a fight" and if you have an alternative to machines
> I may well agree with you for all you know, but
> instead of giving one you go on an unsolicited tirade.

What "tirade" have I initiated?! I'm not asking anyone to agree with me. I'm simply trying to understand why you only consider the physical crushing of stone and no other principle that we might not have discovered yet in the 21st century. Meanwhile, I'm not the one who inflates the difference between "many" and "most" and between 90% vs. 91%.

In my opinion, that stonework wasn't done when you or orthodoxy think it was done. From my perspective, the physical evidence strongly decries such an accomplishment and there is virtually zero evidence supporting it, just as there is zero evidence supporting the tomb hypothesis, ramps, and "magic". You have attempted to reconcile that stonework by invoking a Mesopotamian influence, and that's your own opinion. I interpret the evidence differently.

I have my own, apparently vastly different, opinion. WIth what I understand about the complexity of Nature and the universe, I allow the possibility of other intelligent logic, other principles we still do not understand, other intelligent species in our distrant past, and a more realistic timeline. If you don't allow such possibilities, that's your own opinion based on your own perspective of language, art, religion, physics, engineering, biomes, and natural cycles.

______________________________________________________________
How can any of us ever know, when all we can do is think?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 29-Aug-17 13:33 by Origyptian.

Options: ReplyQuote


Subject Views Written By Posted
Huge stones by molding 2641 foleox 21-Aug-17 19:38
Re: Huge stones by molding .... indeed, the chemical is produced in quantity by plants! 547 SallyA 22-Aug-17 23:03
Re: Huge stones by molding .... indeed, the chemical is produced in quantity by plants! 504 Origyptian 25-Aug-17 16:49
Re: Huge stones by molding .... indeed, the chemical is produced in quantity by plants! 592 Thanos5150 27-Aug-17 19:10
Any Explanation? 529 Barbelo 27-Aug-17 21:03
Re: Any Explanation? 535 eyeofhorus33 27-Aug-17 21:34
Re: Any Explanation? 533 Barbelo 27-Aug-17 22:14
Re: Any Explanation? 433 eyeofhorus33 28-Aug-17 12:39
Re: Any Explanation? 407 Thanos5150 27-Aug-17 22:38
Re: Any Explanation? 476 Thanos5150 27-Aug-17 23:14
Re: Any Explanation? 371 eyeofhorus33 28-Aug-17 12:35
Re: Any Explanation? 412 Thanos5150 27-Aug-17 22:18
Re: Huge stones by molding 536 michael seabrook 23-Aug-17 21:02
Re: Huge stones by molding 402 drrayeye 28-Aug-17 17:11
Re: Huge stones by molding 453 Open mind 26-Aug-17 18:36
Re: Huge stones by molding 415 michael seabrook 27-Aug-17 09:35
Re: Huge stones by molding 402 Susan Doris 27-Aug-17 10:33
Re: Huge stones by molding 415 Thunderbird 27-Aug-17 16:18
Re: Huge stones by molding 396 Origyptian 28-Aug-17 21:02
Re: Huge stones by molding 386 Thanos5150 28-Aug-17 21:48
Re: Huge stones by molding 372 Origyptian 28-Aug-17 22:08
Re: Huge stones by molding 357 Thanos5150 28-Aug-17 22:46
Re: Huge stones by molding 373 Origyptian 29-Aug-17 01:29
Re: Huge stones by molding 381 Thanos5150 29-Aug-17 03:27
Re: Huge stones by molding 357 Origyptian 29-Aug-17 13:32
Re: Huge stones by molding 314 Thanos5150 29-Aug-17 15:40
Re: Huge stones by molding 295 Origyptian 29-Aug-17 16:01
Re: Huge stones by molding 331 Thanos5150 29-Aug-17 17:40
Re: Huge stones by molding 379 Origyptian 29-Aug-17 17:55
Re: Huge stones by molding 351 Thanos5150 29-Aug-17 19:06
Re: Huge stones by molding 460 Tsurugi 24-Nov-17 05:48
Re: Hawass and percentages 303 M. J. Thomas 01-Sep-17 18:43
Hawass Speaks 359 Dr. Troglodyte 01-Sep-17 19:19
Re: Hawass Speaks 306 M. J. Thomas 01-Sep-17 21:25
Re: Hawass and percentages 452 Thanos5150 01-Sep-17 19:46
Re: Hawass and percentages 341 M. J. Thomas 01-Sep-17 21:06
Re: Hawass and percentages 523 eyeofhorus33 02-Sep-17 07:31
Re: Hawass and percentages 343 Jon Ellison 02-Sep-17 09:11
Re: Hawass and percentages 441 eyeofhorus33 03-Sep-17 08:16
Re: Huge stones by molding 359 Jon Ellison 29-Aug-17 11:13
Re: Huge stones by molding 312 drrayeye 29-Aug-17 11:45
Re: Huge stones by molding 354 Jon Ellison 29-Aug-17 12:13
Re: Huge stones by molding 331 drrayeye 29-Aug-17 15:36
Re: Huge stones by molding 354 Thanos5150 29-Aug-17 15:54
Re: Plop Plop. ....fizz,fizz 422 Thunderbird 30-Aug-17 06:54
Re: Plop Plop. ....fizz,fizz 313 Jon Ellison 30-Aug-17 09:47
Re: Plop Plop. ....fizz,fizz 347 Thunderbird 31-Aug-17 02:05
Re: Plop Plop. ....fizz,fizz 324 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 11:07
Re: Plop Plop. ....fizz,fizz .. TPTB and free energy ... 304 SallyA 31-Aug-17 19:43
Re: Plop Plop. ....fizz,fizz .. TPTB and free energy ... 304 Thunderbird 31-Aug-17 20:38
Re: Huge stones by molding 432 Archae Solenhofen 30-Aug-17 16:26
Re: Huge stones by molding 357 Origyptian 30-Aug-17 17:22
Re: Huge stones by molding 402 Archae Solenhofen 30-Aug-17 17:33
Re: Huge stones by molding 391 Origyptian 30-Aug-17 17:40
Re: Huge stones by molding 406 Archae Solenhofen 30-Aug-17 17:48
Re: Huge stones by molding 318 Origyptian 30-Aug-17 18:14
Re: Huge stones by molding 441 Archae Solenhofen 30-Aug-17 18:37
Re: Huge stones by molding 344 Origyptian 30-Aug-17 18:45
Re: Huge stones by molding 314 Jon Ellison 30-Aug-17 19:11
and maybe along the way... 320 Racho 30-Aug-17 18:20
Re: Huge stones by molding 343 Harte 31-Aug-17 00:14
Re: Huge stones by molding 293 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 08:29
Re: Huge stones by molding 317 Origyptian 31-Aug-17 13:34
Re: Huge stones by molding 277 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 13:50
Re: Huge stones by molding 304 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 14:08
Re: Huge stones by molding 332 Thunderbird 31-Aug-17 16:02
Re: Huge stones by molding 294 Thanos5150 31-Aug-17 16:10
Re: Huge stones by molding 320 Origyptian 31-Aug-17 21:07
Re: Huge stones by molding 285 Thunderbird 01-Sep-17 19:18
Re: Magnetic variation in Stone /Puma Punku ping for Racho 278 Thunderbird 01-Sep-17 19:31
Re: Huge stones by molding 409 Archae Solenhofen 01-Sep-17 16:43
Re: Huge stones by molding 307 Jon Ellison 01-Sep-17 17:47
Re: Huge stones by molding 361 Archae Solenhofen 01-Sep-17 18:10
Re: Huge stones by molding 315 Jon Ellison 01-Sep-17 19:03
Re: Huge stones by molding 399 Archae Solenhofen 01-Sep-17 21:06
Re: Huge stones by molding 283 Jon Ellison 01-Sep-17 21:42
Re: Huge stones by molding 376 Archae Solenhofen 01-Sep-17 22:22
Re: Huge stones by molding 369 Jon Ellison 01-Sep-17 23:48
Re: Huge stones by molding 422 Archae Solenhofen 02-Sep-17 02:12
Re: Huge stones by molding 350 Jon Ellison 02-Sep-17 09:45
Re: Archae ....just Admit it....the Ancients did Geopolymer. 283 Thunderbird 02-Sep-17 00:08
Re: Huge stones by molding 327 Thanos5150 31-Aug-17 16:08
Re: Huge stones by molding 299 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 16:13
Re: Huge stones by molding 258 Thanos5150 31-Aug-17 16:25
Re: Huge stones by molding 301 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 16:27
Re: Huge stones by molding 320 Origyptian 31-Aug-17 21:31
Re: Huge stones by molding 411 Archae Solenhofen 01-Sep-17 21:28
Re: Huge stones by molding 312 Jon Ellison 01-Sep-17 22:03
Re: Huge stones by molding 370 Archae Solenhofen 01-Sep-17 22:51
Re: Huge stones by molding 327 Open mind 29-Aug-17 16:59
Re: Huge stones by molding 327 Origyptian 29-Aug-17 17:04
Re: Huge stones by molding 327 Open mind 29-Aug-17 19:27
Re: Huge stones by molding 230 Origyptian 29-Aug-17 19:54
Re: Huge stones by molding 332 Jon Ellison 29-Aug-17 21:03
Re: Huge stones by molding 333 Origyptian 29-Aug-17 21:07
Re: Huge stones by molding 315 Jon Ellison 29-Aug-17 21:09
Re: Huge stones by molding 370 Origyptian 29-Aug-17 21:30
Re: Huge stones by molding 338 Jon Ellison 29-Aug-17 21:40
Re: Huge stones by molding 295 Jon Ellison 29-Aug-17 21:50
Re: Huge stones by molding 324 Origyptian 29-Aug-17 22:04
Re: Huge stones by molding 298 Jon Ellison 29-Aug-17 22:14
Re: Huge stones by molding 282 Jon Ellison 29-Aug-17 21:26
Bags/ropes/rollers...hmmm 340 Racho 29-Aug-17 22:58
Re: Bags/ropes/rollers...hmmm 326 Jon Ellison 29-Aug-17 23:32
Re: Bags/ropes/rollers...hmmm 347 Thunderbird 31-Aug-17 02:47
Re: Bags/ropes/rollers...hmmm 359 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 09:14
Re: Bags/ropes/rollers...hmmm 258 Origyptian 31-Aug-17 13:50
Re: Bags/ropes/rollers...uplift & metal I items 295 SallyA 31-Aug-17 16:05
Death valley stone... 286 Racho 31-Aug-17 16:17
Re: Death valley stone... 297 SallyA 31-Aug-17 19:28
Re: Message of the Pulsars 404 Thunderbird 31-Aug-17 16:37
Re: Message of the Pulsars 272 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 16:51
Re: Is there another way? 325 Thunderbird 31-Aug-17 21:09
Re: Is there another way? 281 Origyptian 31-Aug-17 22:20
Re: Is there another way? oops O.T. 279 SallyA 01-Sep-17 00:50
Re: Message of the Pulsars 291 Origyptian 31-Aug-17 21:45
Re: Pulsars .. the Sun, the Age ... frequency & plasma 327 SallyA 01-Sep-17 00:04
Re: Pacific/North America 324 Thunderbird 01-Sep-17 02:01
Re: Pacific/North America 285 Audrey 02-Sep-17 04:20
106 doesn't seem high or out of ordinary... 266 Racho 02-Sep-17 07:07
Re: Pacific/North America 484 Thunderbird 27-Oct-17 16:02
Re: Bags/ropes/rollers...hmmm 300 Origyptian 30-Aug-17 01:59
Assuming elephants... ;) 306 Racho 30-Aug-17 05:23
Re: Huge stones by molding 389 Thanos5150 30-Aug-17 02:42
Re: Huge stones by molding 370 SallyA 30-Aug-17 20:25
Re: Huge stones by molding 407 Thanos5150 31-Aug-17 14:34
Re: Huge stones by molding 347 Origyptian 31-Aug-17 20:54
Re: Huge stones by molding 284 Thanos5150 31-Aug-17 15:00
Love vids like this 296 Racho 31-Aug-17 15:55
Re: Love vids like this 304 Thanos5150 31-Aug-17 16:21
Re: Love vids like this 291 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 16:32
? 299 Racho 31-Aug-17 16:52
Re: ? 530 Thanos5150 31-Aug-17 18:11
Re: ? 328 Origyptian 31-Aug-17 21:52
What about hillsides? 355 Racho 02-Sep-17 01:47
Re: What about hillsides? ..Nazca, Ankor Watt, => geodedic lines 464 SallyA 01-Nov-17 13:08
Re: Huge stones by molding 370 Open mind 29-Aug-17 22:45
Re: Huge stones by molding 386 Origyptian 30-Aug-17 01:37
Re: Huge stones by molding 413 Jon Ellison 30-Aug-17 10:10
Re: Huge stones by molding 356 Open mind 30-Aug-17 00:04
Re: Huge stones by molding 426 Racho 30-Aug-17 06:16
Re: Huge stones by molding 363 Open mind 30-Aug-17 19:29
Re: Huge stones by molding 340 Jon Ellison 30-Aug-17 19:43
Re: Huge stones by molding 373 Wiracocha 30-Aug-17 22:19
Re: Huge stones by molding 324 Open mind 30-Aug-17 22:15
Re: Huge stones by molding 308 Open mind 30-Aug-17 23:12
Re: Huge stones by molding 293 Open mind 31-Aug-17 10:56
Re: Huge stones by molding 385 Wiracocha 31-Aug-17 12:36
Re: Huge stones by molding 328 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 13:48
Re: Huge stones by molding 309 Open mind 31-Aug-17 16:46
Re: Huge stones by molding 301 Open mind 31-Aug-17 22:48
Re: Huge stones by molding 280 Origyptian 31-Aug-17 23:34
Re: Huge stones by molding 263 Open mind 01-Sep-17 14:26
Re: Huge stones by molding 302 Jon Ellison 01-Sep-17 15:01
Re: Huge stones by molding 331 Open mind 01-Sep-17 16:53
Re: Huge stones by molding 308 Open mind 02-Sep-17 00:11
Re: Huge stones by molding 403 Open mind 01-Nov-17 02:21


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.