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Not a fan of the molded concrete stone idea. The remains don't support it to me. I am however a huge fan of some previous technology to be able to soften stone. But first let me substantiate the first claim.

What we have left over all over the world are remains of structures of complicated shape and massive scale most of which are natural stone of some kind. And by natural stone, I mean they have the crystal structure of material that is typically formed from volcanic, or sedimentary processes and can be verified as such by geologists quite easily. In some cases, they can even tell us where that stone is from. Most importantly, we can tell the difference between natural stone and concrete.

However, lets presume there is some ancient technology that allows us to liquefy stone so that it might be formed into shapes for artistic or structural purposes. At present, to imagine that, with our present material science limitations, we can only see that being possible by the use of extreme heat. So lets say we consider this hypothetical technology generated extreme heat, enough to effectively melt stone. If so, then what ever the mold material was that was used to form the shapes we see today, had an extremely high melting point. Much higher than granite. Also, we can presume that a higher melting point implies a much harder material, (see link below):

[www.gly.uga.edu]

So its safe to say if melting stone was necessary to form it through extreme heat, then what ever material they used for the molds would easily survive today as its hardness would greatly exceed granite and therefore be virtually indestructible. Then of course this scenario begs the question of how they made those molds, but that's an unnecessary digression.

So, lets now consider a larger leap and presume they had some magical technology that could melt stone to liquid, but without that limiting process effect of extreme heat. Lets presume it could be done with totally manageable temperatures allowing mold material to be fairly simple stuff that early man could easily work with like wood.

What I've suggested many times about the possibility of liquid mold able stone is that this technology would allow them to create far more elaborate shapes. Imagining and creating the shapes was never the hard part for early man. 3D visualizing and the artisan skill of sculpture is inherent as an ability in the modern human brain. Its not an advanced form of intelligence that we've only recently developed. Its simply a skill that's been there since the beginning. So if we some how figured out how to liquefy stone at a manageable temperature allowing us to make molds to form it, we'd see countless sculptural and architectural designs that vastly exceed what remains today. It would be almost commonplace, considering we're talking about granite remember. So the absence of those findings tells me that its highly unlikely they were ever able to make molds for stone.

When considering the technological advancements of ancient civilizations, you can break it down into different disciplines and different degrees and stages of advancement of those separate disciplines. For one, with respect to the discipline of material science, it seems that they were certainly able to soften stone. And I believe that advancement came earlier than the ability to create architecturally complicated structures.

The walls in South America would be a good example of early structural application of this stone softening. In the absence of that leap, the seamless connections of the stones in those walls is extremely confounding. But if you presume they could soften or loosen the material bonds of granite to the point that it would sag like Plasticine, then those connections begin to appear as a rudimentary and early application of that tech.

Yada yada yada. I could go on and on, but I'd be interested to see if anyone else is thinking along these lines.

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Huge stones by molding 2642 foleox 21-Aug-17 19:38
Re: Huge stones by molding .... indeed, the chemical is produced in quantity by plants! 547 SallyA 22-Aug-17 23:03
Re: Huge stones by molding .... indeed, the chemical is produced in quantity by plants! 505 Origyptian 25-Aug-17 16:49
Re: Huge stones by molding .... indeed, the chemical is produced in quantity by plants! 592 Thanos5150 27-Aug-17 19:10
Any Explanation? 530 Barbelo 27-Aug-17 21:03
Re: Any Explanation? 535 eyeofhorus33 27-Aug-17 21:34
Re: Any Explanation? 533 Barbelo 27-Aug-17 22:14
Re: Any Explanation? 433 eyeofhorus33 28-Aug-17 12:39
Re: Any Explanation? 407 Thanos5150 27-Aug-17 22:38
Re: Any Explanation? 476 Thanos5150 27-Aug-17 23:14
Re: Any Explanation? 371 eyeofhorus33 28-Aug-17 12:35
Re: Any Explanation? 413 Thanos5150 27-Aug-17 22:18
Re: Huge stones by molding 536 michael seabrook 23-Aug-17 21:02
Re: Huge stones by molding 403 drrayeye 28-Aug-17 17:11
Re: Huge stones by molding 453 Open mind 26-Aug-17 18:36
Re: Huge stones by molding 415 michael seabrook 27-Aug-17 09:35
Re: Huge stones by molding 402 Susan Doris 27-Aug-17 10:33
Re: Huge stones by molding 415 Thunderbird 27-Aug-17 16:18
Re: Huge stones by molding 396 Origyptian 28-Aug-17 21:02
Re: Huge stones by molding 387 Thanos5150 28-Aug-17 21:48
Re: Huge stones by molding 373 Origyptian 28-Aug-17 22:08
Re: Huge stones by molding 357 Thanos5150 28-Aug-17 22:46
Re: Huge stones by molding 373 Origyptian 29-Aug-17 01:29
Re: Huge stones by molding 381 Thanos5150 29-Aug-17 03:27
Re: Huge stones by molding 358 Origyptian 29-Aug-17 13:32
Re: Huge stones by molding 314 Thanos5150 29-Aug-17 15:40
Re: Huge stones by molding 296 Origyptian 29-Aug-17 16:01
Re: Huge stones by molding 331 Thanos5150 29-Aug-17 17:40
Re: Huge stones by molding 379 Origyptian 29-Aug-17 17:55
Re: Huge stones by molding 351 Thanos5150 29-Aug-17 19:06
Re: Huge stones by molding 461 Tsurugi 24-Nov-17 05:48
Re: Hawass and percentages 303 M. J. Thomas 01-Sep-17 18:43
Hawass Speaks 360 Dr. Troglodyte 01-Sep-17 19:19
Re: Hawass Speaks 306 M. J. Thomas 01-Sep-17 21:25
Re: Hawass and percentages 452 Thanos5150 01-Sep-17 19:46
Re: Hawass and percentages 341 M. J. Thomas 01-Sep-17 21:06
Re: Hawass and percentages 523 eyeofhorus33 02-Sep-17 07:31
Re: Hawass and percentages 343 Jon Ellison 02-Sep-17 09:11
Re: Hawass and percentages 441 eyeofhorus33 03-Sep-17 08:16
Re: Huge stones by molding 359 Jon Ellison 29-Aug-17 11:13
Re: Huge stones by molding 312 drrayeye 29-Aug-17 11:45
Re: Huge stones by molding 354 Jon Ellison 29-Aug-17 12:13
Re: Huge stones by molding 331 drrayeye 29-Aug-17 15:36
Re: Huge stones by molding 355 Thanos5150 29-Aug-17 15:54
Re: Plop Plop. ....fizz,fizz 422 Thunderbird 30-Aug-17 06:54
Re: Plop Plop. ....fizz,fizz 313 Jon Ellison 30-Aug-17 09:47
Re: Plop Plop. ....fizz,fizz 347 Thunderbird 31-Aug-17 02:05
Re: Plop Plop. ....fizz,fizz 324 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 11:07
Re: Plop Plop. ....fizz,fizz .. TPTB and free energy ... 304 SallyA 31-Aug-17 19:43
Re: Plop Plop. ....fizz,fizz .. TPTB and free energy ... 304 Thunderbird 31-Aug-17 20:38
Re: Huge stones by molding 432 Archae Solenhofen 30-Aug-17 16:26
Re: Huge stones by molding 357 Origyptian 30-Aug-17 17:22
Re: Huge stones by molding 403 Archae Solenhofen 30-Aug-17 17:33
Re: Huge stones by molding 392 Origyptian 30-Aug-17 17:40
Re: Huge stones by molding 406 Archae Solenhofen 30-Aug-17 17:48
Re: Huge stones by molding 319 Origyptian 30-Aug-17 18:14
Re: Huge stones by molding 442 Archae Solenhofen 30-Aug-17 18:37
Re: Huge stones by molding 344 Origyptian 30-Aug-17 18:45
Re: Huge stones by molding 315 Jon Ellison 30-Aug-17 19:11
and maybe along the way... 321 Racho 30-Aug-17 18:20
Re: Huge stones by molding 344 Harte 31-Aug-17 00:14
Re: Huge stones by molding 293 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 08:29
Re: Huge stones by molding 317 Origyptian 31-Aug-17 13:34
Re: Huge stones by molding 277 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 13:50
Re: Huge stones by molding 304 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 14:08
Re: Huge stones by molding 333 Thunderbird 31-Aug-17 16:02
Re: Huge stones by molding 294 Thanos5150 31-Aug-17 16:10
Re: Huge stones by molding 321 Origyptian 31-Aug-17 21:07
Re: Huge stones by molding 286 Thunderbird 01-Sep-17 19:18
Re: Magnetic variation in Stone /Puma Punku ping for Racho 278 Thunderbird 01-Sep-17 19:31
Re: Huge stones by molding 409 Archae Solenhofen 01-Sep-17 16:43
Re: Huge stones by molding 307 Jon Ellison 01-Sep-17 17:47
Re: Huge stones by molding 361 Archae Solenhofen 01-Sep-17 18:10
Re: Huge stones by molding 315 Jon Ellison 01-Sep-17 19:03
Re: Huge stones by molding 399 Archae Solenhofen 01-Sep-17 21:06
Re: Huge stones by molding 283 Jon Ellison 01-Sep-17 21:42
Re: Huge stones by molding 376 Archae Solenhofen 01-Sep-17 22:22
Re: Huge stones by molding 369 Jon Ellison 01-Sep-17 23:48
Re: Huge stones by molding 422 Archae Solenhofen 02-Sep-17 02:12
Re: Huge stones by molding 350 Jon Ellison 02-Sep-17 09:45
Re: Archae ....just Admit it....the Ancients did Geopolymer. 284 Thunderbird 02-Sep-17 00:08
Re: Huge stones by molding 328 Thanos5150 31-Aug-17 16:08
Re: Huge stones by molding 299 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 16:13
Re: Huge stones by molding 258 Thanos5150 31-Aug-17 16:25
Re: Huge stones by molding 301 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 16:27
Re: Huge stones by molding 320 Origyptian 31-Aug-17 21:31
Re: Huge stones by molding 411 Archae Solenhofen 01-Sep-17 21:28
Re: Huge stones by molding 313 Jon Ellison 01-Sep-17 22:03
Re: Huge stones by molding 370 Archae Solenhofen 01-Sep-17 22:51
Re: Huge stones by molding 327 Open mind 29-Aug-17 16:59
Re: Huge stones by molding 327 Origyptian 29-Aug-17 17:04
Re: Huge stones by molding 327 Open mind 29-Aug-17 19:27
Re: Huge stones by molding 231 Origyptian 29-Aug-17 19:54
Re: Huge stones by molding 332 Jon Ellison 29-Aug-17 21:03
Re: Huge stones by molding 333 Origyptian 29-Aug-17 21:07
Re: Huge stones by molding 315 Jon Ellison 29-Aug-17 21:09
Re: Huge stones by molding 370 Origyptian 29-Aug-17 21:30
Re: Huge stones by molding 338 Jon Ellison 29-Aug-17 21:40
Re: Huge stones by molding 296 Jon Ellison 29-Aug-17 21:50
Re: Huge stones by molding 325 Origyptian 29-Aug-17 22:04
Re: Huge stones by molding 299 Jon Ellison 29-Aug-17 22:14
Re: Huge stones by molding 282 Jon Ellison 29-Aug-17 21:26
Bags/ropes/rollers...hmmm 341 Racho 29-Aug-17 22:58
Re: Bags/ropes/rollers...hmmm 327 Jon Ellison 29-Aug-17 23:32
Re: Bags/ropes/rollers...hmmm 347 Thunderbird 31-Aug-17 02:47
Re: Bags/ropes/rollers...hmmm 359 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 09:14
Re: Bags/ropes/rollers...hmmm 258 Origyptian 31-Aug-17 13:50
Re: Bags/ropes/rollers...uplift & metal I items 296 SallyA 31-Aug-17 16:05
Death valley stone... 286 Racho 31-Aug-17 16:17
Re: Death valley stone... 298 SallyA 31-Aug-17 19:28
Re: Message of the Pulsars 404 Thunderbird 31-Aug-17 16:37
Re: Message of the Pulsars 272 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 16:51
Re: Is there another way? 325 Thunderbird 31-Aug-17 21:09
Re: Is there another way? 281 Origyptian 31-Aug-17 22:20
Re: Is there another way? oops O.T. 279 SallyA 01-Sep-17 00:50
Re: Message of the Pulsars 291 Origyptian 31-Aug-17 21:45
Re: Pulsars .. the Sun, the Age ... frequency & plasma 327 SallyA 01-Sep-17 00:04
Re: Pacific/North America 325 Thunderbird 01-Sep-17 02:01
Re: Pacific/North America 285 Audrey 02-Sep-17 04:20
106 doesn't seem high or out of ordinary... 266 Racho 02-Sep-17 07:07
Re: Pacific/North America 484 Thunderbird 27-Oct-17 16:02
Re: Bags/ropes/rollers...hmmm 300 Origyptian 30-Aug-17 01:59
Assuming elephants... ;) 306 Racho 30-Aug-17 05:23
Re: Huge stones by molding 390 Thanos5150 30-Aug-17 02:42
Re: Huge stones by molding 370 SallyA 30-Aug-17 20:25
Re: Huge stones by molding 407 Thanos5150 31-Aug-17 14:34
Re: Huge stones by molding 347 Origyptian 31-Aug-17 20:54
Re: Huge stones by molding 284 Thanos5150 31-Aug-17 15:00
Love vids like this 296 Racho 31-Aug-17 15:55
Re: Love vids like this 304 Thanos5150 31-Aug-17 16:21
Re: Love vids like this 291 Jon Ellison 31-Aug-17 16:32
? 299 Racho 31-Aug-17 16:52
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Re: ? 328 Origyptian 31-Aug-17 21:52
What about hillsides? 356 Racho 02-Sep-17 01:47
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Re: Huge stones by molding 371 Open mind 29-Aug-17 22:45
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Re: Huge stones by molding 386 Wiracocha 31-Aug-17 12:36
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Re: Huge stones by molding 309 Open mind 31-Aug-17 16:46
Re: Huge stones by molding 301 Open mind 31-Aug-17 22:48
Re: Huge stones by molding 280 Origyptian 31-Aug-17 23:34
Re: Huge stones by molding 264 Open mind 01-Sep-17 14:26
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