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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> > Is that what you think?
>
> Am I wrong?

Yes indeed.. Making it up as you go along..


>
> > "No different" I suggest you take a closer
> look.
> > The contrast is overwhelming.
>
> Considering the different mediums and the culture
> behind who and why these statues are made, no, I
> find the differences quite "underwhelming".

Okay that about sums up your visio-spatial observational abilities.
Lets move on.

>
> > PRIMITIVE ART...
> > Primitive is not a derogatory term.
> >
> > Primitivism. Read...
> >
> > [en.wikipedia.org]
>
> Please pay attention Jon. I did not say "primitive
> art", but rather "primitiveness" which you have
> applied to AE culture at large.

I said "primitive" meaning primitive as in primitive art. The genre of primitive art.
As in the Wiki link I provided.
You have a definition of primitive art all of your own. Making it up as you go along.
Let's move on.

>
> > You are way out of your depth.

> Of course.
At last we agree on something.

>
> > Of course they could understand subjects in
> three
> > dimensions, they lived in a three dimensional
> > world just as we do. However as you yourself
> > clearly stated, they did not express that three
> > dimensional world in their two dimensional art.
>
> And...? As I also stated clearly, neither did any
> other culture until the classical Greeks

We can agree again..
It's getting good.


which
> even then was merely forced isometric perspective

Are you talking about forced perspective or isometric perspective?
they are totally different things.
Also..
Isometric perspective is a modern technical drawing projection, as in isometric projection.
I think you mean oblique perspective, which is altogether different again.
By the way forced perspective is an architectural and photographic illusion. Sometimes both.. Hollywood film sets etc..
Lets move on..


> which it was not until the middle ages linear
> perspective was "invented" (though in reality I'd
> say this is a little muddy).

Renascence Italy. The middle ages were pretty much stuck with oblique (not isometric).
Bruno was the main man. It's no coincidence that art got good at about the same time as mathematics.
And of course, the invention of the camera at about that time. Secret knowledge.

Now Thanos is rewriting the history books.
Let's move on.


>
> > You claim it was a matter of choice. I see no
> > evidence of any "choice".
>
> Since we are all keen these days on not
> misrepresenting each other, what I "claimed" was
> that it was "not a matter of "ability", but
> rather sensibility."
Meaning not, "choice",
> but rather the fundamental way in which their
> culture conveyed information through their art on
> a 2-D surface, a meme practiced by all cultures
> for thousands of years.

I disagree.
The choice was similar to their choice not to fly in jetliners.
No one had thought of it yet. For them It didn't even exist.
Nothing whatsoever to do with sensibilities and everything to do with abilities.
They were Choiceless.

Move on...



The technical aspects of
> linear perspective is one thing as indeed it
> seemed to escape the human mind for longer than
> expected, but to assert they could not understand
> depth on a 2-D surface regardless of the fact it
> is not found in their painted art, is
> hardly one of "comprehension".

I agree, they understood depth, what they didn't understand was how to render it in any kind of 2D form .. A painting or a drawing. For them it didn't exist. It was not a problem.
Everything was pictorially rendered in two dimensions without depth or perspective because there was no necessity to do otherwise.
Fit for purpose, tomb wall paintings.

AE art was not a
> means to "express one's artistic ability", but
> rather a means of communication

Which is what visual art is today and always has been. A means of communication synthesised with the necessary production skill. A closed feedback loop. If you can do that without expressing your artistic ability, good or bad, then good luck to you.

Move on again.


and what is
> found in the tomb art throughout the Dynastic era
> is the very continuation of this artistic
> tradition of communication rooted in the carving
> in relief on stone which hardly lends itself to
> presenting depth in 3 dimensions, nor was it
> required.

Not artistic tradition but artistic necessity, they had no option. No other method was available until the classical period with Greek oblique (which you call isometric) perspective.
You could apply the same argument to the 18th century horse and cart. A transportation tradition. Being a transport of choice.

Even the relief carvings do not in any way represent any attempt at perspective. They are chisel relieved line drawings
sometimes field coloured. (field colour means a flat field of the same hue without any attempt at modulation in an attempt to create the action of light on a three dimensional surface.. Light, shade and scintillation).
Painting by numbers with big numbers/big fields...

To sum up ..
They didn't do it because at that time they did not know how to do it and were not interested for one reason or another in finding out how.. (just like jetliners)
They were early bronze age, primitive 2D artists. About as good as it got at that time but otherwise nothing more, nothing less.

Ask an art expert.

Over and out



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 19-Apr-17 21:51 by Jon Ellison.

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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 449 Jon Ellison 17-Apr-17 08:07
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 300 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 15:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 378 Warwick 17-Apr-17 22:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 457 Jon Ellison 18-Apr-17 08:13
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 267 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 490 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 506 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 541 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 301 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 479 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 597 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 467 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 563 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 353 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 387 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 361 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 376 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 381 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 388 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 300 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 329 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 408 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 415 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 327 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 381 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 556 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 299 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 333 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 480 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 349 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 264 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 317 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 344 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 279 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 448 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 269 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 337 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 333 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 292 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 522 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 304 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 460 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 426 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 393 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 393 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 475 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 299 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 401 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 424 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 558 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 362 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 315 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 359 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 458 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 489 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 368 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 296 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 336 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 316 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 355 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 363 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 321 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 381 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 352 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 307 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 449 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 493 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 374 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 395 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 341 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 366 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 427 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 638 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 334 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 468 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 429 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 364 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 384 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 312 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 391 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 358 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 275 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 476 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 264 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 291 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 297 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 458 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 278 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 344 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 394 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 377 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 453 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 348 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 355 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 425 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 430 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 305 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 477 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 335 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 350 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 276 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 346 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 372 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 315 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 294 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 385 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 394 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 317 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 438 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 448 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 333 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 445 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 462 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 267 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 388 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 440 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 330 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 454 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 490 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
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