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Warwick Wrote:
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> Origyptian Wrote:
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> > Warwick Wrote:
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> > > Origyptian Wrote:
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> > > > Warwick Wrote:
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> > > > > I can't imagine anyone arguing against two facts;
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. that the Roman were doers, who looked at
> > > > > obstacles as a source of inspiration
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. that they of all ancient people's WERE without
> > > > > peer at reverse engineering and adaption
> > > > >
> > > > > I offer no elaboration of these points at this
> > > > > time due to the fact that anyone arguing fir or
> > > > > against a Roman 'Baalbek' must already know my 2
> > > > > points...or they have no place in this discussion
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > warwick
> > > >
> > > > So, if anyone doesn't 'know your 2 points', or
> > > > dares to think that the Dynastic beat the Romans
> > > > in adaption prowess, or challenges the notion that
> > > > the Romans were "without peer at reverse
> > > > engineering", then you are decreeing that
> > > > we can't participate in this discussion?!
> > >
> > > What I am telling you is exactly what so many...
> >
> > "so many"? Like maybe three of you?
> >
> > > ...have been trying so hard to tell you for quite a while
> > > is simple;
> > >
> > > you cannot state that any group is/was not
> > > capable of a given achievement if you are
> > > not well acquainted with the facts concerning that
> > > group's capabilities and achievements.
> > >
> > > I am not here to conduct history lessons.
> > >
> > > I like to assume that anyone arguing against
> > > anything knows precisely what it is they are
> > > arguing against.
> >
> > Warwick, respectfully, you've shown zero knowledge
> > of any significant engineering principle that's
> > been discussed here in the context of the ancient
> > stonework. You're the last person to dictate what
> > background people should have before they can
> > participate in these discussions. Give us a break.
> > Please!
>
> I have posted at length concerning the properties
> of stone, the working of stone, the logistics of
> handling stone, and the observable pattern of
> development in AE architecture and statuary.
>
> I have also communicated my having studied
> Mechanical Engineering in College
>
> I have also communicated that I have considerable
> field experience with Limestone in particular.
>
> You have alluded to the unknown. performed by the
> unknown, at an unknown time, with powered
> technology that you have absolutely no evidence of.
>
> As to the Romans, I have in the past posted at
> length about Roman Military engineering.
>
> I have done brick work, harvested slate, and
> experiemented with stone sculpture.
>
> I am very used to working with what most call
> Primitive tools.
>
> So...do you agree or not with my 'simple facts'
> facts ( allowing for your qualifier re proof of
> provenance for the AE statuary) or not?
>
> Warwick

Warwick, I respect your experience, but it's not obvious how slate, brickwork, and sculpting equips you to understand -- any better than the rest of us -- the daunting nature of that massive construction and the technology required to overcome the natural forces that insert a massive amount of inertia against that effort every step of the way, especially concerning the Baalbek megaliths. It's certainly not clear how your "work with" relatively small scale stone projects translates to the task of planning, quarrying, shaping, transporting, lifting, and precision fitting many millions of multi-ton blocks of limestone and granite essentially without stop over a 200 year period in 3rd mill. BC Egypt in what was arguably the most massive construction project ever carried out in the history of mankind.

I don't understand how your experience doesn't make you feel any compulsion to see direct evidence that such an immense effort was even possible at that time, let alone actually happened. It takes a lot more than being inspired by obstacles, reverse engineering, and adapting the work of others, to be able to achieve that kind of work. And let's not forget to include the huge and complex infrastructure (both roadways and waterways along with transport vehicles) that needed to be planned, designed and constructed.

Have you shared your opinion about how it could be possible for Romans to create, shape, manipulate, transport, and lift those Baalbek megaliths, or to quarry dozens of 80 ton blocks of granite in Aswan, shape them to size with precision planes and squareness, transport them back and forth to the river, load them onto a ship (not to mention build a fleet of ships that can handle such loads), ship the cargo 600 miles to Giza, lift them and precision fit them into place, etc.? How about that pair of 750 ton solid granite Colossi of Memnon?

How did 3rd mill BC Egypt do the math to create those bizarre blocks in the AP?

What does your work with stone tell you was the purpose of the RCs, Antechamber, and the Granite Plugs?

What does your experience tell you is the likelihood that those pyramids were originally designed to be tombs vs...what?

Which brings me back to your point: how can you claim that your work with bricks, slate and sculpting qualifies you to participate in these discussions any more than other professionals here with equal or greater experience in industrial level engineering, heavy equipment, and construction project planning and implementation that not only requires large scale structural engineering but also complex logistics that depend heavily on what likely was a very advanced JIT supply line scheme.

How is believing whether Romans "looked at obstacles as a source of inspiration" relevant to assessing whether they had the necessary means to properly address the natural forces and complex logistic issues in order to make and move those 1600 ton blocks at Baalbek?

How did you derive the notion that the Romans were "without peer at reverse engineering and adaption", and how is that relevant to whether any of us are qualified to participate in a discussion about whether a civilization had the means to do this or that kind of large scale stone work?

To answer your question, no, I don't agree with your "simple facts". Respectfully, I think your 2 criteria are your own speculation and are irrelevant to making an assessment of whether a civilization is able to achieve such work. I think you are cutting short the true brilliance required to accomplish that work.

You asked, and I gave my opinion as respectfully as I could.

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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 18-Apr-17 21:34 by Origyptian.

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Stuck in a time warp 408 Audrey 18-Apr-17 03:35
Re: Stuck in a time warp 249 Martin Stower 18-Apr-17 10:56
Re: Stuck in a time warp 345 Audrey 19-Apr-17 01:04
Re: Stuck in a time warp 276 Martin Stower 19-Apr-17 09:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 337 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 16:00
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 325 Origyptian 17-Apr-17 02:25
Experiment terminated 248 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 12:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 366 Jon Ellison 16-Apr-17 21:37
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 410 Merrell 16-Apr-17 22:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 527 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 03:59
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 397 Jon Ellison 17-Apr-17 08:07
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 247 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 15:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 323 Warwick 17-Apr-17 22:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 404 Jon Ellison 18-Apr-17 08:13
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 213 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 434 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 447 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 486 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 246 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 427 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 536 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 419 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 506 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 309 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 332 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 309 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 326 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 326 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 342 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 245 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 279 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 362 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 364 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 275 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 342 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 505 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 253 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 282 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 413 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 294 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 215 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 258 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 296 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 222 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 390 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 217 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 272 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 286 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 246 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 467 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 233 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 391 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 371 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 331 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 339 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 421 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 243 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 347 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 364 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 500 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 310 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 264 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 304 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 405 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 418 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 311 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 234 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 279 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 267 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 304 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 300 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 268 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 324 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 300 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 256 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 401 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 386 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 313 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 347 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 292 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 309 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 372 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 573 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 285 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 415 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 382 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 314 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 318 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 248 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 348 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 309 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 220 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 423 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 207 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 232 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 249 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 404 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 224 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 288 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 328 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 318 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 404 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 293 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 308 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 370 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 371 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 256 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 428 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 282 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 304 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 218 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 298 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 322 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 269 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 232 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 329 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 350 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 273 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 370 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 381 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 281 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 392 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 410 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 218 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 337 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 373 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 281 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 397 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 437 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05