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Warwick Wrote:
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> Origyptian Wrote:
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> > Warwick Wrote:
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> > > Origyptian Wrote:
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> > > > Warwick Wrote:
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> > > > > I can't imagine anyone arguing against two facts;
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. that the Roman were doers, who looked at
> > > > > obstacles as a source of inspiration
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. that they of all ancient people's WERE without
> > > > > peer at reverse engineering and adaption
> > > > >
> > > > > I offer no elaboration of these points at this
> > > > > time due to the fact that anyone arguing fir or
> > > > > against a Roman 'Baalbek' must already know my 2
> > > > > points...or they have no place in this discussion
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > warwick
> > > >
> > > > So, if anyone doesn't 'know your 2 points', or
> > > > dares to think that the Dynastic beat the Romans
> > > > in adaption prowess, or challenges the notion that
> > > > the Romans were "without peer at reverse
> > > > engineering", then you are decreeing that
> > > > we can't participate in this discussion?!
> > >
> > > What I am telling you is exactly what so many...
> >
> > "so many"? Like maybe three of you?
> >
> > > ...have been trying so hard to tell you for quite a while
> > > is simple;
> > >
> > > you cannot state that any group is/was not
> > > capable of a given achievement if you are
> > > not well acquainted with the facts concerning that
> > > group's capabilities and achievements.
> > >
> > > I am not here to conduct history lessons.
> > >
> > > I like to assume that anyone arguing against
> > > anything knows precisely what it is they are
> > > arguing against.
> >
> > Warwick, respectfully, you've shown zero knowledge
> > of any significant engineering principle that's
> > been discussed here in the context of the ancient
> > stonework. You're the last person to dictate what
> > background people should have before they can
> > participate in these discussions. Give us a break.
> > Please!
>
> I have posted at length concerning the properties
> of stone, the working of stone, the logistics of
> handling stone, and the observable pattern of
> development in AE architecture and statuary.
>
> I have also communicated my having studied
> Mechanical Engineering in College
>
> I have also communicated that I have considerable
> field experience with Limestone in particular.
>
> You have alluded to the unknown. performed by the
> unknown, at an unknown time, with powered
> technology that you have absolutely no evidence of.
>
> As to the Romans, I have in the past posted at
> length about Roman Military engineering.
>
> I have done brick work, harvested slate, and
> experiemented with stone sculpture.
>
> I am very used to working with what most call
> Primitive tools.
>
> So...do you agree or not with my 'simple facts'
> facts ( allowing for your qualifier re proof of
> provenance for the AE statuary) or not?
>
> Warwick

Warwick, I respect your experience, but it's not obvious how slate, brickwork, and sculpting equips you to understand -- any better than the rest of us -- the daunting nature of that massive construction and the technology required to overcome the natural forces that insert a massive amount of inertia against that effort every step of the way, especially concerning the Baalbek megaliths. It's certainly not clear how your "work with" relatively small scale stone projects translates to the task of planning, quarrying, shaping, transporting, lifting, and precision fitting many millions of multi-ton blocks of limestone and granite essentially without stop over a 200 year period in 3rd mill. BC Egypt in what was arguably the most massive construction project ever carried out in the history of mankind.

I don't understand how your experience doesn't make you feel any compulsion to see direct evidence that such an immense effort was even possible at that time, let alone actually happened. It takes a lot more than being inspired by obstacles, reverse engineering, and adapting the work of others, to be able to achieve that kind of work. And let's not forget to include the huge and complex infrastructure (both roadways and waterways along with transport vehicles) that needed to be planned, designed and constructed.

Have you shared your opinion about how it could be possible for Romans to create, shape, manipulate, transport, and lift those Baalbek megaliths, or to quarry dozens of 80 ton blocks of granite in Aswan, shape them to size with precision planes and squareness, transport them back and forth to the river, load them onto a ship (not to mention build a fleet of ships that can handle such loads), ship the cargo 600 miles to Giza, lift them and precision fit them into place, etc.? How about that pair of 750 ton solid granite Colossi of Memnon?

How did 3rd mill BC Egypt do the math to create those bizarre blocks in the AP?

What does your work with stone tell you was the purpose of the RCs, Antechamber, and the Granite Plugs?

What does your experience tell you is the likelihood that those pyramids were originally designed to be tombs vs...what?

Which brings me back to your point: how can you claim that your work with bricks, slate and sculpting qualifies you to participate in these discussions any more than other professionals here with equal or greater experience in industrial level engineering, heavy equipment, and construction project planning and implementation that not only requires large scale structural engineering but also complex logistics that depend heavily on what likely was a very advanced JIT supply line scheme.

How is believing whether Romans "looked at obstacles as a source of inspiration" relevant to assessing whether they had the necessary means to properly address the natural forces and complex logistic issues in order to make and move those 1600 ton blocks at Baalbek?

How did you derive the notion that the Romans were "without peer at reverse engineering and adaption", and how is that relevant to whether any of us are qualified to participate in a discussion about whether a civilization had the means to do this or that kind of large scale stone work?

To answer your question, no, I don't agree with your "simple facts". Respectfully, I think your 2 criteria are your own speculation and are irrelevant to making an assessment of whether a civilization is able to achieve such work. I think you are cutting short the true brilliance required to accomplish that work.

You asked, and I gave my opinion as respectfully as I could.

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ahhhh. an attack. how droll 419 Warwick 18-Apr-17 20:25
Re: ahhhh. an attack. how droll 438 Origyptian 18-Apr-17 21:27
Re: ahhhh. an attack. how droll 413 Warwick 19-Apr-17 13:49
Stuck in a time warp 507 Audrey 18-Apr-17 03:35
Re: Stuck in a time warp 352 Martin Stower 18-Apr-17 10:56
Re: Stuck in a time warp 428 Audrey 19-Apr-17 01:04
Re: Stuck in a time warp 366 Martin Stower 19-Apr-17 09:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 435 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 16:00
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 410 Origyptian 17-Apr-17 02:25
Experiment terminated 368 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 12:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 466 Jon Ellison 16-Apr-17 21:37
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 506 Merrell 16-Apr-17 22:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 621 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 03:59
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 573 Jon Ellison 17-Apr-17 08:07
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 473 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 15:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 413 Warwick 17-Apr-17 22:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 489 Jon Ellison 18-Apr-17 08:13
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 303 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 529 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 627 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 577 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 344 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 512 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 646 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 505 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 606 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 386 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 423 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 393 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 456 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 421 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 426 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 335 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 368 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 457 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 447 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 368 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 420 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 592 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 337 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 381 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 532 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 402 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 302 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 359 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 382 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 322 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 488 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 305 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 376 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 376 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 328 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 576 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 350 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 519 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 559 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 439 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 445 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 512 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 352 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 445 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 460 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 595 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 397 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 352 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 480 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 511 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 539 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 404 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 339 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 370 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 357 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 394 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 409 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 370 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 418 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 387 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 465 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 487 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 626 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 410 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 441 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 380 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 401 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 536 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 705 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 377 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 530 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 470 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 399 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 437 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 349 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 427 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 396 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 312 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 524 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 391 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 371 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 340 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 507 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 326 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 384 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 431 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 424 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 485 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 382 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 401 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 467 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 471 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 343 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 523 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 376 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 391 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 420 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 400 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 408 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 350 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 325 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 425 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 437 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 458 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 599 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 570 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 378 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 481 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 506 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 305 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 429 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 492 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 473 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 502 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 531 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05