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Warwick Wrote:
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> Origyptian Wrote:
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> > Warwick Wrote:
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> > > Origyptian Wrote:
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> > > > Warwick Wrote:
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> > > > > I can't imagine anyone arguing against two facts;
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. that the Roman were doers, who looked at
> > > > > obstacles as a source of inspiration
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. that they of all ancient people's WERE without
> > > > > peer at reverse engineering and adaption
> > > > >
> > > > > I offer no elaboration of these points at this
> > > > > time due to the fact that anyone arguing fir or
> > > > > against a Roman 'Baalbek' must already know my 2
> > > > > points...or they have no place in this discussion
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > warwick
> > > >
> > > > So, if anyone doesn't 'know your 2 points', or
> > > > dares to think that the Dynastic beat the Romans
> > > > in adaption prowess, or challenges the notion that
> > > > the Romans were "without peer at reverse
> > > > engineering", then you are decreeing that
> > > > we can't participate in this discussion?!
> > >
> > > What I am telling you is exactly what so many...
> >
> > "so many"? Like maybe three of you?
> >
> > > ...have been trying so hard to tell you for quite a while
> > > is simple;
> > >
> > > you cannot state that any group is/was not
> > > capable of a given achievement if you are
> > > not well acquainted with the facts concerning that
> > > group's capabilities and achievements.
> > >
> > > I am not here to conduct history lessons.
> > >
> > > I like to assume that anyone arguing against
> > > anything knows precisely what it is they are
> > > arguing against.
> >
> > Warwick, respectfully, you've shown zero knowledge
> > of any significant engineering principle that's
> > been discussed here in the context of the ancient
> > stonework. You're the last person to dictate what
> > background people should have before they can
> > participate in these discussions. Give us a break.
> > Please!
>
> I have posted at length concerning the properties
> of stone, the working of stone, the logistics of
> handling stone, and the observable pattern of
> development in AE architecture and statuary.
>
> I have also communicated my having studied
> Mechanical Engineering in College
>
> I have also communicated that I have considerable
> field experience with Limestone in particular.
>
> You have alluded to the unknown. performed by the
> unknown, at an unknown time, with powered
> technology that you have absolutely no evidence of.
>
> As to the Romans, I have in the past posted at
> length about Roman Military engineering.
>
> I have done brick work, harvested slate, and
> experiemented with stone sculpture.
>
> I am very used to working with what most call
> Primitive tools.
>
> So...do you agree or not with my 'simple facts'
> facts ( allowing for your qualifier re proof of
> provenance for the AE statuary) or not?
>
> Warwick

Warwick, I respect your experience, but it's not obvious how slate, brickwork, and sculpting equips you to understand -- any better than the rest of us -- the daunting nature of that massive construction and the technology required to overcome the natural forces that insert a massive amount of inertia against that effort every step of the way, especially concerning the Baalbek megaliths. It's certainly not clear how your "work with" relatively small scale stone projects translates to the task of planning, quarrying, shaping, transporting, lifting, and precision fitting many millions of multi-ton blocks of limestone and granite essentially without stop over a 200 year period in 3rd mill. BC Egypt in what was arguably the most massive construction project ever carried out in the history of mankind.

I don't understand how your experience doesn't make you feel any compulsion to see direct evidence that such an immense effort was even possible at that time, let alone actually happened. It takes a lot more than being inspired by obstacles, reverse engineering, and adapting the work of others, to be able to achieve that kind of work. And let's not forget to include the huge and complex infrastructure (both roadways and waterways along with transport vehicles) that needed to be planned, designed and constructed.

Have you shared your opinion about how it could be possible for Romans to create, shape, manipulate, transport, and lift those Baalbek megaliths, or to quarry dozens of 80 ton blocks of granite in Aswan, shape them to size with precision planes and squareness, transport them back and forth to the river, load them onto a ship (not to mention build a fleet of ships that can handle such loads), ship the cargo 600 miles to Giza, lift them and precision fit them into place, etc.? How about that pair of 750 ton solid granite Colossi of Memnon?

How did 3rd mill BC Egypt do the math to create those bizarre blocks in the AP?

What does your work with stone tell you was the purpose of the RCs, Antechamber, and the Granite Plugs?

What does your experience tell you is the likelihood that those pyramids were originally designed to be tombs vs...what?

Which brings me back to your point: how can you claim that your work with bricks, slate and sculpting qualifies you to participate in these discussions any more than other professionals here with equal or greater experience in industrial level engineering, heavy equipment, and construction project planning and implementation that not only requires large scale structural engineering but also complex logistics that depend heavily on what likely was a very advanced JIT supply line scheme.

How is believing whether Romans "looked at obstacles as a source of inspiration" relevant to assessing whether they had the necessary means to properly address the natural forces and complex logistic issues in order to make and move those 1600 ton blocks at Baalbek?

How did you derive the notion that the Romans were "without peer at reverse engineering and adaption", and how is that relevant to whether any of us are qualified to participate in a discussion about whether a civilization had the means to do this or that kind of large scale stone work?

To answer your question, no, I don't agree with your "simple facts". Respectfully, I think your 2 criteria are your own speculation and are irrelevant to making an assessment of whether a civilization is able to achieve such work. I think you are cutting short the true brilliance required to accomplish that work.

You asked, and I gave my opinion as respectfully as I could.

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ahhhh. an attack. how droll 401 Warwick 18-Apr-17 20:25
Re: ahhhh. an attack. how droll 422 Origyptian 18-Apr-17 21:27
Re: ahhhh. an attack. how droll 338 Warwick 19-Apr-17 13:49
Stuck in a time warp 490 Audrey 18-Apr-17 03:35
Re: Stuck in a time warp 335 Martin Stower 18-Apr-17 10:56
Re: Stuck in a time warp 416 Audrey 19-Apr-17 01:04
Re: Stuck in a time warp 350 Martin Stower 19-Apr-17 09:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 421 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 16:00
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 398 Origyptian 17-Apr-17 02:25
Experiment terminated 347 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 12:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 440 Jon Ellison 16-Apr-17 21:37
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 495 Merrell 16-Apr-17 22:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 604 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 03:59
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 513 Jon Ellison 17-Apr-17 08:07
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 401 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 15:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 397 Warwick 17-Apr-17 22:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 478 Jon Ellison 18-Apr-17 08:13
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 291 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 515 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 532 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 564 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 327 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 501 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 629 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 490 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 593 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 375 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 411 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 383 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 398 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 403 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 410 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 321 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 353 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 442 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 436 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 352 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 404 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 580 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 321 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 365 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 512 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 380 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 287 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 344 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 366 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 307 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 471 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 291 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 359 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 360 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 315 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 552 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 331 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 499 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 535 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 423 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 424 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 495 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 333 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 429 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 449 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 580 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 385 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 339 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 393 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 495 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 522 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 393 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 320 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 356 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 345 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 380 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 388 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 348 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 403 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 372 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 374 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 475 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 551 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 395 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 424 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 362 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 387 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 477 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 686 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 364 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 515 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 454 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 384 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 417 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 337 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 412 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 383 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 301 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 506 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 333 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 347 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 325 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 486 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 305 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 369 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 419 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 402 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 475 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 368 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 379 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 451 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 455 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 327 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 505 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 359 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 375 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 371 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 374 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 396 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 338 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 315 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 410 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 418 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 394 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 517 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 549 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 363 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 466 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 495 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 290 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 415 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 481 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 397 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 485 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 514 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05