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I'll accept your chopping off the 1st six points I addressed as your response. Nothing.
Origyptian Wrote:
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> Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> > Also, I forgot, but several times you
> > have said to the effect you believe the AE
> > archaeological record represents several
> > cultures-what evidence can you point to that
> > supports this?
> In the very least,
>
>
> > For example, we can clearly
> > differentiate between Mesopotamian or Greek
> > culture/artifacts/influence and AE culture
> found
> > in Egypt, therefore if what you are saying is
> true
> > there must also be evidence of the differences
> > that separate the cultures you propose.
> Excluding
> > the technology of stone working, what artifacts
> > can you show that illustrate the different
> > cultures you envision occupied Egypt for
> > apparently tens of thousands if not millions of
> > years?
So again, nothing. No evidence of one other culture let alone "several".
In regards to your response to Martin:
"I've already cited many times in these discussion the evidence supporting such a division."
No, in fact you have offered no supporting evidence whatsoever. Not once. We are still waiting.
"1. The traditional Dynastic culture with its funerary context and its adaption of the monuments that were already ancient at that time, a culture that provides much evidence about its various concerns except for the conspicuous absence that they had the wherewithal to accomplish the technological achivements we see among those ruins."
What evidence can you offer to support your belief these monuments were "ancient at the time" which in your world means tens of thousands if not millions of years? Surely there must be something positive you can offer.
Again, what evidence can you offer of the culture itself the AE adopted them from beyond just the monuments themselves? You deny the AE ability to craft hard stone, what I am getting at is according to you something like this would have to be evidence of one of the many cultures you envision occupied AE prior to the Dynastic Egyptians:
You believe this statue is tens of thousands of years old and from the LC and the writing was scrawled on there by AE squatters, right? I just want to be clear.
And according to you this early Dynastic stone vase, for example:
Is tens of thousands if not millions of years old belonging to the LC, but these copper OK replicas, this metallurgy, was made by the AE because as you and others have made clear any non-stone objects would be gone by the Dynastic period because they are so old:
I just want to be clear because the only cultural artifacts you offer are the great pyramids and associated megalithic temples, but if the AE could not construct with stone, having inherited it all from the LC, then by your definition all of the statues, i.e. people depicted, are in fact evidence of this culture representing the very faces of the LC tens of thousands if not millions of years ago.
And what of Saqqara? By your definition the AE could not have made this as well which if so there is much culture to be had there. A few examples:
Why was the cobra so important to the LC?
Or, these bundled reed faux columns:
Or the curious layout of the faux temples of a style, palace facade, that just so happened to have been emulated by the Mesopotamians nearly two thousand years before:
Inside the stepped pyramid we find even more evidence of LC culture including apparently writing:
This is culture. These things mean something, which according to you, by definition they must all belong to the LC in which you have taken it one step further to include that the AE were so primitive they could not even understand the pyramids were man-made until the Greeks told them. If they could not understand something was artificial then surely they could not make artificial things themselves let alone repair existing ones. To them, according to you, it was all just nature.
So much LC culture around all set in glorious stone yet when asked to provide evidence of the LC culture all you can ever offer are the great pyramids, any large block, and their megalithic temples. Why is that? But if the LC were not responsible for these things then what does this say of the ability of the AE? Where are the tools used and detailed schematics to build this:
And carve and write this:
Why did they not tell us how they did these things on their tomb walls and bury themselves with all the tools? Which if they are not there then this means they were made tens of thousands if not millions of years ago by an LC? My question to you doctor, is where does the LC end and the AE begin? Are we looking at the faces of the LC themselves, artifacts made tens of thousands if not millions of years ago by possibly a non-human species or different species of human:
Sure look human to me.
To continue:
"2. The Megalith culture with its engineering and technology that preceeded the Dynastics far enough back in time to allow for technological amnesia."
So despite the fact you cannot offer any direct evidence of this culture's existence beyond a complete lack of evidence, you cite this otherwise non-existent culture as evidence in and of itself? This makes sense.
Bah.
Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 15-Apr-17 15:29 by Thanos5150.
Origyptian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thanos5150 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Also, I forgot, but several times you
> > have said to the effect you believe the AE
> > archaeological record represents several
> > cultures-what evidence can you point to that
> > supports this?
> In the very least,
>
>
- 1. The traditional Dynastic culture with its
> funerary context and its adaption of the monuments
> that were already ancient at that time, a culture
> that provides much evidence about its various
> concerns except for the conspicuous absence that
> they had the wherewithal to accomplish the
> technological achivements we see among those
> ruins.
>
> 2. The Megalith culture with its engineering and
> technology that preceeded the Dynastics far enough
> back in time to allow for technological amnesia.
>
> > For example, we can clearly
> > differentiate between Mesopotamian or Greek
> > culture/artifacts/influence and AE culture
> found
> > in Egypt, therefore if what you are saying is
> true
> > there must also be evidence of the differences
> > that separate the cultures you propose.
> Excluding
> > the technology of stone working, what artifacts
> > can you show that illustrate the different
> > cultures you envision occupied Egypt for
> > apparently tens of thousands if not millions of
> > years?
So again, nothing. No evidence of one other culture let alone "several".
In regards to your response to Martin:
"I've already cited many times in these discussion the evidence supporting such a division."
No, in fact you have offered no supporting evidence whatsoever. Not once. We are still waiting.
"1. The traditional Dynastic culture with its funerary context and its adaption of the monuments that were already ancient at that time, a culture that provides much evidence about its various concerns except for the conspicuous absence that they had the wherewithal to accomplish the technological achivements we see among those ruins."
What evidence can you offer to support your belief these monuments were "ancient at the time" which in your world means tens of thousands if not millions of years? Surely there must be something positive you can offer.
Again, what evidence can you offer of the culture itself the AE adopted them from beyond just the monuments themselves? You deny the AE ability to craft hard stone, what I am getting at is according to you something like this would have to be evidence of one of the many cultures you envision occupied AE prior to the Dynastic Egyptians:

You believe this statue is tens of thousands of years old and from the LC and the writing was scrawled on there by AE squatters, right? I just want to be clear.
And according to you this early Dynastic stone vase, for example:

Is tens of thousands if not millions of years old belonging to the LC, but these copper OK replicas, this metallurgy, was made by the AE because as you and others have made clear any non-stone objects would be gone by the Dynastic period because they are so old:

I just want to be clear because the only cultural artifacts you offer are the great pyramids and associated megalithic temples, but if the AE could not construct with stone, having inherited it all from the LC, then by your definition all of the statues, i.e. people depicted, are in fact evidence of this culture representing the very faces of the LC tens of thousands if not millions of years ago.
And what of Saqqara? By your definition the AE could not have made this as well which if so there is much culture to be had there. A few examples:

Why was the cobra so important to the LC?
Or, these bundled reed faux columns:

Or the curious layout of the faux temples of a style, palace facade, that just so happened to have been emulated by the Mesopotamians nearly two thousand years before:


Inside the stepped pyramid we find even more evidence of LC culture including apparently writing:


This is culture. These things mean something, which according to you, by definition they must all belong to the LC in which you have taken it one step further to include that the AE were so primitive they could not even understand the pyramids were man-made until the Greeks told them. If they could not understand something was artificial then surely they could not make artificial things themselves let alone repair existing ones. To them, according to you, it was all just nature.
So much LC culture around all set in glorious stone yet when asked to provide evidence of the LC culture all you can ever offer are the great pyramids, any large block, and their megalithic temples. Why is that? But if the LC were not responsible for these things then what does this say of the ability of the AE? Where are the tools used and detailed schematics to build this:

And carve and write this:

Why did they not tell us how they did these things on their tomb walls and bury themselves with all the tools? Which if they are not there then this means they were made tens of thousands if not millions of years ago by an LC? My question to you doctor, is where does the LC end and the AE begin? Are we looking at the faces of the LC themselves, artifacts made tens of thousands if not millions of years ago by possibly a non-human species or different species of human:


Sure look human to me.
To continue:
"2. The Megalith culture with its engineering and technology that preceeded the Dynastics far enough back in time to allow for technological amnesia."
So despite the fact you cannot offer any direct evidence of this culture's existence beyond a complete lack of evidence, you cite this otherwise non-existent culture as evidence in and of itself? This makes sense.
Bah.
Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 15-Apr-17 15:29 by Thanos5150.