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> Hi Audrey

> In Thanos/ Lee's wonderfully diplomatic and
> courteous, polite, brilliant response (worthy of
> you reading several times!) he answered including
> this part:
>
>
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Thanos5150
> The oldest association I know relating "Suphis"
> (Cheops) with "Khufu" is from 1834 (1832?), I
> monumenti dell'Egitto e della Nubia, which Scott
> notes in his latest book. The question is how
> did Rosellini come to this conclusion?

>
>
> (Note he was correcting me about the date 1834
> likely not 1832.)

The question still is, and remains unanswered : what evidence did Rosellini use to come to this conclusion?

> You know already the key to deciphering the
> hieroglyphs was Thomas Young and J F Champollion's
> work on the Rosetta stone.

I know that was not the key.

> Perhaps you didn't know that the starting point
> was the cartouche of Ptolemy V (Young) and
> Cleopatra and Ramesses (Champollion)
Entertaining 15min video explainingit.

Most don't realize there are two parts to translating "Cleopatra" and "Ptolemy". One is the cartouche and the other is the letters within the cartouche. Both Young & Champollion were stalled, hadn't made much headway. As far back as 1759, Joseph de Guignes had proposed that the cartouche held names of the "very high", "the epithet given a divinity". He based this on Chinese royal seals, and thought the cartouche appeared similar to the chinese seals so it must hold similar names.

note the prw sign in the the 5th row 4th seal over

Georg Zoega 1797 also thought the cartouche held "proper names of persons or to express sacred formulas".

Champollion himself gave credit to Anne Claude de Caylus 1762 who wrote of the cartouches containing "the names of kings and gods." In a footnote in 'Precis Du Systeme Hieroglyphique', Champollion gave credit to Caylus and Abbe Jean-Jacques Barthélemy, his contemporary, for the discovery of the cartouche containing an important name, rather than letting the "learned English" have credit for it.

Since the hieroglyphs hadn't been deciphered in the time of Guignes, Zoega, Caylus & Barthelemy, it couldn't really be a discovery, more like just a thought.

So the first key was; cartouche contained an important name. But they couldn't read what was inside a cartouche.

That's where W.J. Bankes came in. Besides discovering the Abydos King list, he also found the Philae Obelisk and made off with it where it stands to this day in front of the Kingston Lacy mansion in Dorset.


THIS was the key, yet Bankes gets no credit and Champollion basks in the glory. The obelisk has 3 Greek dedication plaques mounted on the base, illegible now. There are only 2 cartouches carved on the obelisk. The Greek plaques mention several people, but two of them were Cleopatra and Ptolemy. Bankes came up with the idea that the 2 cartouches on the obelisk must contain those royal names - Cleopatra and Ptolemy.
Champollion ran with it and the rest is history. This is where your video probably picks up.

> The next key was that Rosetta had same thing
> written Greek, Demotic and hieroglyphs.
> Champollion made the link between spoken coptic
> language and commonality betwen demotic hieratic
> and hieroglyphs.

The Greek was translated first. Then the Demotic and lastly the hieroglyphs. Translation was very difficult because there were too many missing lines, and it turned out that the Greek was not a match with the Demotic or hieroglyphic. Meaning the Greek sentences were not in the same order as the Demotic and did not read the same.

> Now you already know Herodotus and Diodorus were
> Greek and called the person the native
> Egyptian priests claimed built G1 as Cheops.
> Manetho called him in his Egyptian, bordering on
> arabic, dialect "Suphis". Same bloke similar
> stories.
>
> All that was required given Greek had been matched
> to hieroglyphs was to translate Cheops (Greek)
> into "Khufu" sieve chick serpent chick.

The Greek wasn't matched to hieroglyphic. First Greek translation, then Demotic translation, then hieroglyph translation once the Cleopatra and Ptolemy cartouches were translated. Champollion worked with the 2 cartouches to "translate" the rest of the hieroglyphs.

> I Rossellini led a joint expedition with
> Champollion to Egypt 1828-29. They both were
> obsessed with cartouches (clear from the Rosetta
> stone that cartouche meant "king" in greek) and
> finding all the legendary (known only by oral
> stories) Pharoah names written in Egygt, and
> creating some form of timeline history.

Cartouche does not mean "king". It is a French word meaning "cartridge". I think Champollion was the first to use it.

> Rossellini published, Champollion had met
> premature death, obsessed with Egypt Europe in
> particular Britain and France, then Vyses
> contacts in British museum would know of the
> spelling of "Khufu" and whilst Vyse obviously
> could not read the language would have been almost
> certainly acquainted with what cartouche to look
> for on the Giza plateau.

He knew what to look for thanks to Rosellini and Wilkinson.

> Now, the assignment of Khufu to being the builder
> is NOT restricted to Vyses find in Campbells
> chamber. Although at the time a major confirmation
> of things written by AE in generations many
> dynasty's after.
> I agree it doesn't prove he built it but it would
> take me writing near a book/10,000 word paper
> length post to highlight all the links which have
> subsequently been found to link Khufu with G1.

Yes, so much now has been made to link with Khufu. Not hard to do once you have identified the cartouche as belonging to the builder of G1. Every time they found this cartouche they said - AHA! this is 4th dynasty G1 pharaoh. And one way or another the inscription was made to conform.


> I suggest you take up Thanos recommendation to keep
> your suspicion of LC separate from learning the
> basis of why "ortho's" believe or hold, and
> thoroughly investigate those links. When you put
> your mind to it , you are a more capable
> researcher than I would ever claim to be.

I know the basis of ortho's beliefs, the problem is they don't know the basis for their beliefs.

This doesn't require a Sigmund Freud : a LC has nothing to do with translating hieroglyphs.
'The history of' or the 'evolution of' translating hieroglyphs has nothing to do with a LC. Why would anyone connect the two?

You orthos take hieroglyph meanings only as they are today. No one here seems to know anything about how it came about which is crucial to accepting translations. IF the cartouche DOES NOT contain a royal name as an 18th century priest thought, the translations are wrong. The reality is - there was NO evidence for a cartouche containing a royal name at the time it was decided so. It has simply been a matter of the Egyptologists translating every thing according to antiquarian assumptions, which might be why the translations read as gibberish.

> As Thanos clearly put, the jug /goat guy "Khnum
> Khuf" would be the pick of most likely candidate
> if one was to rely on the graffiti solely. However
> based on the consistency of many kings having
> nomens and pre-nomens we now are reasonably
> certain that it the same king!

Well they had to come up with nomens and pre-nomens to explain the problematic glyphs and arrangements. Now you guys will say the future proved the past. That what they would find in the future confirmed the past. Like saying Mt Rushmore confirms America had presidents 1000 yrs ago.
How difficult is it to find a set of puzzling glyphs and declare it to be a pre-nomen? Not difficult at all.

> Why would Vyse fake 10 jug/goat cartouches in
> multiple chambers when he must have known it was
> circle/chick etc guy he (and all of academic
> Europe) was wanting to achieve everlasting fame
> and credit for discovering?

Yes. He was given fame at the time, and all knew it would be everlasting. But why he would have painted so many jug/rams - I have no idea. Which still has nothing to do with a LC

He who knows all the answers has not been asked all the questions - Confucius

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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 409 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 01:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 446 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 483 Audrey 19-Apr-17 02:27
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 437 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 03:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 389 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 04:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 390 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 06:06
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 437 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 15:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 390 Corpuscles 19-Apr-17 10:11
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 514 Morten 19-Apr-17 11:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 402 Corpuscles 19-Apr-17 11:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 354 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 431 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 00:59
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 419 Hanslune 20-Apr-17 02:39
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 419 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 08:09
Roman capabilities 401 Warwick 18-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Roman capabilities 378 Origyptian 18-Apr-17 16:04
Re: Roman capabilities 330 Warwick 18-Apr-17 18:04
Re: Roman capabilities 354 Origyptian 18-Apr-17 18:09
ahhhh. an attack. how droll 318 Warwick 18-Apr-17 20:25
Re: ahhhh. an attack. how droll 346 Origyptian 18-Apr-17 21:27
Re: ahhhh. an attack. how droll 224 Warwick 19-Apr-17 13:49
Stuck in a time warp 411 Audrey 18-Apr-17 03:35
Re: Stuck in a time warp 250 Martin Stower 18-Apr-17 10:56
Re: Stuck in a time warp 345 Audrey 19-Apr-17 01:04
Re: Stuck in a time warp 277 Martin Stower 19-Apr-17 09:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 340 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 16:00
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 326 Origyptian 17-Apr-17 02:25
Experiment terminated 248 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 12:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 367 Jon Ellison 16-Apr-17 21:37
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 411 Merrell 16-Apr-17 22:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 529 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 03:59
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 397 Jon Ellison 17-Apr-17 08:07
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 248 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 15:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 324 Warwick 17-Apr-17 22:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 404 Jon Ellison 18-Apr-17 08:13
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 214 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 435 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 450 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 486 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 247 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 427 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 540 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 419 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 507 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 309 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 333 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 311 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 327 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 327 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 343 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 245 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 279 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 362 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 364 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 275 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 342 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 506 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 254 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 283 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 416 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 295 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 215 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 259 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 297 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 224 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 394 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 217 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 276 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 286 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 246 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 467 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 233 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 392 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 374 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 333 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 340 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 421 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 245 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 347 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 368 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 503 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 310 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 266 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 305 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 407 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 421 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 312 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 235 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 280 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 267 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 304 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 302 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 269 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 324 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 301 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 259 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 402 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 386 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 317 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 347 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 293 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 312 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 375 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 573 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 285 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 416 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 382 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 314 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 319 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 251 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 349 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 309 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 223 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 426 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 207 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 234 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 249 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 406 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 227 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 288 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 329 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 319 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 405 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 296 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 309 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 370 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 372 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 256 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 429 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 285 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 307 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 219 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 298 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 325 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 269 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 232 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 329 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 350 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 274 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 373 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 384 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 282 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 394 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 410 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 219 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 337 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 374 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 284 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 397 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04