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Audrey Wrote:
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> Corpuscles Wrote:
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> > Audrey, I am aware this has been answered
> several
> > times before directly to your questions.
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> It has never been answered on this board.
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> > Do you think somehow that as of 1837 the Khufu
> > cartouche was not known?
> > If so, i.e. not known, how could Vyse
> > possibly forge it?
> >
> > Does "Rosellini's 'I monumenti dell'Egitto e
> della
> > Nubia' vol. 1 (1832)" ring any bells?
>
> You don't understand my question either.
>

Hi Audrey

The original question you posed was:

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Audrey
Pretend Vyse never found markings in G1, pretend they don't exist. Set aside your convictions (if
possible) and tell us how.... of all the cartouches found on the plateau....anyone would know which one belonged to the builder of G1? HOW could one tell if a particular cartouche was Cheops/Suphis?

Later you re-asked Thanos by suggesting your 2nd thought experiment:

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Audrey
A thought experiment : forget about Vyse and his Khufu cartouche in Campbells. Pretend it doesn't exist.
In 1837 the cartouche of the builder of G1 was known, obviously because Vyse wrote it in his journal. At some point before 1837, it was determined which cartouche belonged to the builder of G1.
Of all the cartouches on the Giza plateau, how did they know WHICH one belonged to the builder of G1? How did they know this in 1835 before Vyse arrived? If he had never found the chamber, would they have gone on with the belief that chick+viper+chick+circle was the name of the builder or the pharaoh of G1?

In Thanos/ Lee's wonderfully diplomatic and courteous, polite, brilliant response (worthy of you reading several times!) he answered including this part:

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The oldest association I know relating "Suphis" (Cheops) with "Khufu" is from 1834 (1832?), I monumenti dell'Egitto e della Nubia, which Scott notes in his latest book. The question is how did Rosellini come to this conclusion?
(Note he was correcting me about the date 1834 likely not 1832.)

The general tone of your response to me tends to indicate major distrust to Egptology's ability to decipher hieroglyphs. "How did they know it was a "Horus" name etc.

So again, despite somewhat intimidated by many very accomplished philologists making appearance in this thread, I offer a rank amateur laymans suggestion of the 'back to basics' . Maybe better or corrected answers might follow:

You know already the key to deciphering the hieroglyphs was Thomas Young and J F Champollion's work on the Rosetta stone.

Perhaps you didn't know that the starting point was the cartouche of Ptolemy V (Young) and Cleopatra and Ramesses (Champollion) Entertaining 15min video explaining it.

The next key was that Rosetta had same thing written Greek, Demotic and hieroglyphs.
Champollion made the link between spoken coptic language and commonality betwen demotic hieratic and hieroglyphs.

Now you already know Herodotus and Diodorus were Greek and called the person the native Egyptian priests claimed built G1 as Cheops. Manetho called him in his Egyptian, bordering on arabic, dialect "Suphis". Same bloke similar stories.

All that was required given Greek had been matched to hieroglyphs was to translate Cheops (Greek) into "Khufu" sieve chick serpent chick.

I Rossellini led a joint expedition with Champollion to Egypt 1828-29. They both were obsessed with cartouches (clear from the Rosetta stone that cartouche meant "king" in greek) and finding all the legendary (known only by oral stories) Pharoah names written in Egygt, and creating some form of timeline history.

Rossellini published, Champollion had met premature death, obsessed with Egypt Europe in particular Britain and France, then Vyses contacts in British museum would know of the spelling of "Khufu" and whilst Vyse obviously could not read the language would have been almost certainly acquainted with what cartouche to look for on the Giza plateau.

Now, the assignment of Khufu to being the builder is NOT restricted to Vyses find in Campbells chamber. Although at the time a major confirmation of things written by AE in generations many dynasty's after.
I agree it doesn't prove he built it but it would take me writing near a book/10,000 word paper length post to highlight all the links which have subsequently been found to link Khufu with G1. I suggest you take up Thanos recommendation to keep your suspicion of LC separate from learning the basis of why "ortho's" believe or hold, and thoroughly investigate those links. When you put your mind to it , you are a more capable researcher than I would ever claim to be.

As Thanos clearly put, the jug /goat guy "Khnum Khuf" would be the pick of most likely candidate if one was to rely on the graffiti solely. However based on the consistency of many kings having nomens and pre-nomens we now are reasonably certain that it the same king!

Why would Vyse fake 10 jug/goat cartouches in multiple chambers when he must have known it was circle/chick etc guy he (and all of academic Europe) was wanting to achieve everlasting fame and credit for discovering?

Cheers



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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 291 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 515 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 532 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 564 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 327 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 501 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 630 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 490 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 593 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 375 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 411 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 383 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 398 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 404 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 410 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 322 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 353 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 442 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 436 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 352 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 404 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 580 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 322 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 365 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 512 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 380 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 287 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 344 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 367 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 307 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 471 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 291 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 360 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 361 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 315 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 553 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 332 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 499 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 537 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 424 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 424 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 495 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 333 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 429 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 449 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 580 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 385 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 339 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 394 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 495 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 522 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 393 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 320 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 356 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 345 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 380 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 388 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 350 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 403 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 372 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 376 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 475 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 552 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 395 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 424 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 362 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 387 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 478 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 686 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 364 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 515 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 454 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 384 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 418 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 337 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 413 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 383 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 301 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 506 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 333 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 347 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 325 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 486 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 305 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 369 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 419 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 403 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 475 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 368 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 379 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 451 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 455 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 327 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 505 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 359 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 375 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 373 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 375 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 396 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 338 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 315 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 410 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 418 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 395 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 517 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 550 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 363 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 466 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 495 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 290 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 416 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 482 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 397 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 485 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 514 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 464 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 00:05