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Hi Audrey


Audrey Wrote:
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> Thanks guys, those of you who think my post is
> worth thinking about.

Please let me also offer my belated praise, 'join the chorus', of appreciation for at least demonstrating considerable thought and effort, even though it is from a critical standpoint. You know I have offered such (albeit likely worthless) in the past.


>
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Warwick
> Roth may be guilty of overworking the problem,
> BUT, to suppose that her finite conclusions being
> wrong has any bearing on how the Vyse cartouche
> fits into all this is to propose a false
> dichotomy
>
> "Overworking" is an understatement. It is the
> orthos who have used Roth as a way to authenticate
> the cartouche. If you see a "false dichotomy" I
> assume you are intelligent enough to say where you
> see it. If not, we can discard your "dichotomy".

I also have some difficulty in reaching consensus with Roth's hypothesis regarding the meaning of the distribution of the hieratic (or if you prefer cursive hieroglyphs) in the chambers. She might be dead wrong, but at least she looks at what is there and tries to figure a rationale for it and it's significance. Rather than trying to speculate about what is not there!

Her work is as far as I know hasn't specifically been used directly "as a way to authenticate the cartouche". I suspect you mean the famous CC one.

>
> You are not understanding the debate. Let's try a
> mind experiment....

I realise this was addressed to Warwick , excuse me for interjecting when time permits. It seems this thread is still mainly all about justifying grand forgery on a major scale?

> Pretend Vyse never found markings in G1, pretend
> they don't exist. Set aside your convictions (if
> possible) and tell us how.... of all the
> cartouches found on the plateau....anyone would
> know which one belonged to the builder of G1? HOW
> could one tell if a particular cartouche was
> Cheops/Suphis?


Audrey, I am aware this has been answered several times before directly to your questions.

Do you think somehow that as of 1837 the Khufu cartouche was not known?
If so, i.e. not known, how could Vyse possibly forge it?

Does "Rosellini's 'I monumenti dell'Egitto e della Nubia' vol. 1 (1832)" ring any bells?

However, does not mean, of itself, he built G1, or does it?


>
> Is it not true that in Vyse's time there was, and
> had been for a very long time, a search for the
> ones who built the great pyramids? Is it not true
> that finding the name of the builders would unlock
> the mysteries of the pyramids? Is it not true that
> every author from Scaligerie to Vyse, including
> Wilkinson & Champolliion & Kircher, had sought the
> answer to the question of who built the pyramids?
> Was this not a main quest at the time? Isn't it a
> big key in establishing Egypt's chronology and
> consequently the chronology for all of the ancient
> east?

True, they wanted to know who built them. However, these "alts" you talk of, seem obsessed with the notion that the CC cartouche is the main and seemingly only identifier. It definitely is not the sole "key establishing Egypt's chronology ..."

>
> Without this key, without Vyse's "discovery", they
> would still be searching for the ones who built
> the pyramids. Is it not this key that set the
> stage for the understanding of Egypt's history?

Serious question please consider (and answer) for your own benefit:

Do you dispute all the links found between a family dynasty of kings queens relations of Sneferu, Khufu, (Djedefre), Khafre, Menkaure?

Do you dispute that later AE' people wrote and considered great pyramids to belong to that dynasty?
Whether they forged the inscriptions on statues etc or NOT is there evidence later dynastic AE thought they built them?

If so, then how much did Vyse know about that in 1837?




>
> And if this key is the wrong key, if it is not in
> fact the builder of G1, wouldn't they be back to
> square one, still searching for it? And if the key
> doesn't fit, then wouldn't ALL their conclusions
> about the Giza plateau be incorrect since ALL is
> based on this one key?


Depending on your answers above, you "alts" might hope so, but regardless of that definitely NO!


Some more questions that might help in the underlying point of your thread.

Why would Vyse concoct many many forgeries (has to be all of the legible hieratic)in such a way that which opens up to the intriguing speculation about the meaning of the distribution of such which Roth attempts to resolve with her hypothesis?

How could the A Alford now claimed by SC as his original guess 'at finding secret documents, talk of such distribution of such names! Didn't it have a story or some other juicy stuff to copy? Why didn't Vyse &Co think such all ought have for his purpose the more recognisable (at the time) Khufu cartouche or modify them to be so, if tht was his sole intent?

Finally, how did he possibly know the Horus name could be written outside of a serekh, and/or otherwise not inclosed, in a cartouche? If in a "secret document" then how did he read it?

Cheers

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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 479 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 513 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 272 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 453 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 570 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 442 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 534 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 332 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 359 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 336 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 353 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 353 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 368 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 274 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 303 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 381 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 388 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 297 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 361 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 535 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 276 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 307 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 448 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 321 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 238 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 289 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 321 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 251 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 423 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 246 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 308 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 310 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 267 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 496 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 261 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 428 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 401 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 364 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 367 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 445 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 277 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 375 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 400 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 530 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 336 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 292 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 334 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 430 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 455 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 345 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 261 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 309 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 290 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 332 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 333 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 295 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 354 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 324 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 287 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 428 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 433 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 344 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 374 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 315 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 339 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 401 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 604 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 309 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 441 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 401 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 335 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 353 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 286 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 370 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 335 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 253 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 450 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 229 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 266 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 269 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 436 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 253 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 313 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 364 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 346 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 428 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 323 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 335 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 394 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 399 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 279 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 451 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 307 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 326 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 245 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 321 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 348 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 292 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 259 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 354 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 370 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 298 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 397 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 411 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 308 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 422 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 432 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 246 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 358 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 403 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 310 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 423 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 462 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 410 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 00:05