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Hi Audrey


Audrey Wrote:
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> Thanks guys, those of you who think my post is
> worth thinking about.

Please let me also offer my belated praise, 'join the chorus', of appreciation for at least demonstrating considerable thought and effort, even though it is from a critical standpoint. You know I have offered such (albeit likely worthless) in the past.


>
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Warwick
> Roth may be guilty of overworking the problem,
> BUT, to suppose that her finite conclusions being
> wrong has any bearing on how the Vyse cartouche
> fits into all this is to propose a false
> dichotomy
>
> "Overworking" is an understatement. It is the
> orthos who have used Roth as a way to authenticate
> the cartouche. If you see a "false dichotomy" I
> assume you are intelligent enough to say where you
> see it. If not, we can discard your "dichotomy".

I also have some difficulty in reaching consensus with Roth's hypothesis regarding the meaning of the distribution of the hieratic (or if you prefer cursive hieroglyphs) in the chambers. She might be dead wrong, but at least she looks at what is there and tries to figure a rationale for it and it's significance. Rather than trying to speculate about what is not there!

Her work is as far as I know hasn't specifically been used directly "as a way to authenticate the cartouche". I suspect you mean the famous CC one.

>
> You are not understanding the debate. Let's try a
> mind experiment....

I realise this was addressed to Warwick , excuse me for interjecting when time permits. It seems this thread is still mainly all about justifying grand forgery on a major scale?

> Pretend Vyse never found markings in G1, pretend
> they don't exist. Set aside your convictions (if
> possible) and tell us how.... of all the
> cartouches found on the plateau....anyone would
> know which one belonged to the builder of G1? HOW
> could one tell if a particular cartouche was
> Cheops/Suphis?


Audrey, I am aware this has been answered several times before directly to your questions.

Do you think somehow that as of 1837 the Khufu cartouche was not known?
If so, i.e. not known, how could Vyse possibly forge it?

Does "Rosellini's 'I monumenti dell'Egitto e della Nubia' vol. 1 (1832)" ring any bells?

However, does not mean, of itself, he built G1, or does it?


>
> Is it not true that in Vyse's time there was, and
> had been for a very long time, a search for the
> ones who built the great pyramids? Is it not true
> that finding the name of the builders would unlock
> the mysteries of the pyramids? Is it not true that
> every author from Scaligerie to Vyse, including
> Wilkinson & Champolliion & Kircher, had sought the
> answer to the question of who built the pyramids?
> Was this not a main quest at the time? Isn't it a
> big key in establishing Egypt's chronology and
> consequently the chronology for all of the ancient
> east?

True, they wanted to know who built them. However, these "alts" you talk of, seem obsessed with the notion that the CC cartouche is the main and seemingly only identifier. It definitely is not the sole "key establishing Egypt's chronology ..."

>
> Without this key, without Vyse's "discovery", they
> would still be searching for the ones who built
> the pyramids. Is it not this key that set the
> stage for the understanding of Egypt's history?

Serious question please consider (and answer) for your own benefit:

Do you dispute all the links found between a family dynasty of kings queens relations of Sneferu, Khufu, (Djedefre), Khafre, Menkaure?

Do you dispute that later AE' people wrote and considered great pyramids to belong to that dynasty?
Whether they forged the inscriptions on statues etc or NOT is there evidence later dynastic AE thought they built them?

If so, then how much did Vyse know about that in 1837?




>
> And if this key is the wrong key, if it is not in
> fact the builder of G1, wouldn't they be back to
> square one, still searching for it? And if the key
> doesn't fit, then wouldn't ALL their conclusions
> about the Giza plateau be incorrect since ALL is
> based on this one key?


Depending on your answers above, you "alts" might hope so, but regardless of that definitely NO!


Some more questions that might help in the underlying point of your thread.

Why would Vyse concoct many many forgeries (has to be all of the legible hieratic)in such a way that which opens up to the intriguing speculation about the meaning of the distribution of such which Roth attempts to resolve with her hypothesis?

How could the A Alford now claimed by SC as his original guess 'at finding secret documents, talk of such distribution of such names! Didn't it have a story or some other juicy stuff to copy? Why didn't Vyse &Co think such all ought have for his purpose the more recognisable (at the time) Khufu cartouche or modify them to be so, if tht was his sole intent?

Finally, how did he possibly know the Horus name could be written outside of a serekh, and/or otherwise not inclosed, in a cartouche? If in a "secret document" then how did he read it?

Cheers

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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 455 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 491 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 252 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 432 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 545 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 423 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 511 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 313 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 338 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 314 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 331 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 330 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 347 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 250 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 284 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 366 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 369 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 281 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 346 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 510 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 259 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 287 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 422 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 299 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 220 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 264 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 301 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 229 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 397 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 223 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 279 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 291 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 251 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 472 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 242 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 396 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 379 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 337 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 343 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 425 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 249 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 352 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 372 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 507 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 317 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 269 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 310 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 412 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 425 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 317 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 240 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 286 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 273 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 308 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 307 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 275 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 331 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 305 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 263 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 406 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 392 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 321 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 353 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 297 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 315 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 379 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 577 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 289 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 419 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 385 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 318 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 325 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 254 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 352 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 313 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 228 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 431 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 213 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 238 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 254 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 409 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 231 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 294 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 333 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 324 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 410 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 300 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 313 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 375 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 377 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 259 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 433 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 290 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 310 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 225 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 301 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 328 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 273 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 237 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 336 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 355 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 279 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 378 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 388 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 289 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 397 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 414 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 223 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 342 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 378 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 287 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 402 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 443 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 387 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 00:05