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Hi Audrey


Audrey Wrote:
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> Thanks guys, those of you who think my post is
> worth thinking about.

Please let me also offer my belated praise, 'join the chorus', of appreciation for at least demonstrating considerable thought and effort, even though it is from a critical standpoint. You know I have offered such (albeit likely worthless) in the past.


>
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Warwick
> Roth may be guilty of overworking the problem,
> BUT, to suppose that her finite conclusions being
> wrong has any bearing on how the Vyse cartouche
> fits into all this is to propose a false
> dichotomy
>
> "Overworking" is an understatement. It is the
> orthos who have used Roth as a way to authenticate
> the cartouche. If you see a "false dichotomy" I
> assume you are intelligent enough to say where you
> see it. If not, we can discard your "dichotomy".

I also have some difficulty in reaching consensus with Roth's hypothesis regarding the meaning of the distribution of the hieratic (or if you prefer cursive hieroglyphs) in the chambers. She might be dead wrong, but at least she looks at what is there and tries to figure a rationale for it and it's significance. Rather than trying to speculate about what is not there!

Her work is as far as I know hasn't specifically been used directly "as a way to authenticate the cartouche". I suspect you mean the famous CC one.

>
> You are not understanding the debate. Let's try a
> mind experiment....

I realise this was addressed to Warwick , excuse me for interjecting when time permits. It seems this thread is still mainly all about justifying grand forgery on a major scale?

> Pretend Vyse never found markings in G1, pretend
> they don't exist. Set aside your convictions (if
> possible) and tell us how.... of all the
> cartouches found on the plateau....anyone would
> know which one belonged to the builder of G1? HOW
> could one tell if a particular cartouche was
> Cheops/Suphis?


Audrey, I am aware this has been answered several times before directly to your questions.

Do you think somehow that as of 1837 the Khufu cartouche was not known?
If so, i.e. not known, how could Vyse possibly forge it?

Does "Rosellini's 'I monumenti dell'Egitto e della Nubia' vol. 1 (1832)" ring any bells?

However, does not mean, of itself, he built G1, or does it?


>
> Is it not true that in Vyse's time there was, and
> had been for a very long time, a search for the
> ones who built the great pyramids? Is it not true
> that finding the name of the builders would unlock
> the mysteries of the pyramids? Is it not true that
> every author from Scaligerie to Vyse, including
> Wilkinson & Champolliion & Kircher, had sought the
> answer to the question of who built the pyramids?
> Was this not a main quest at the time? Isn't it a
> big key in establishing Egypt's chronology and
> consequently the chronology for all of the ancient
> east?

True, they wanted to know who built them. However, these "alts" you talk of, seem obsessed with the notion that the CC cartouche is the main and seemingly only identifier. It definitely is not the sole "key establishing Egypt's chronology ..."

>
> Without this key, without Vyse's "discovery", they
> would still be searching for the ones who built
> the pyramids. Is it not this key that set the
> stage for the understanding of Egypt's history?

Serious question please consider (and answer) for your own benefit:

Do you dispute all the links found between a family dynasty of kings queens relations of Sneferu, Khufu, (Djedefre), Khafre, Menkaure?

Do you dispute that later AE' people wrote and considered great pyramids to belong to that dynasty?
Whether they forged the inscriptions on statues etc or NOT is there evidence later dynastic AE thought they built them?

If so, then how much did Vyse know about that in 1837?




>
> And if this key is the wrong key, if it is not in
> fact the builder of G1, wouldn't they be back to
> square one, still searching for it? And if the key
> doesn't fit, then wouldn't ALL their conclusions
> about the Giza plateau be incorrect since ALL is
> based on this one key?


Depending on your answers above, you "alts" might hope so, but regardless of that definitely NO!


Some more questions that might help in the underlying point of your thread.

Why would Vyse concoct many many forgeries (has to be all of the legible hieratic)in such a way that which opens up to the intriguing speculation about the meaning of the distribution of such which Roth attempts to resolve with her hypothesis?

How could the A Alford now claimed by SC as his original guess 'at finding secret documents, talk of such distribution of such names! Didn't it have a story or some other juicy stuff to copy? Why didn't Vyse &Co think such all ought have for his purpose the more recognisable (at the time) Khufu cartouche or modify them to be so, if tht was his sole intent?

Finally, how did he possibly know the Horus name could be written outside of a serekh, and/or otherwise not inclosed, in a cartouche? If in a "secret document" then how did he read it?

Cheers

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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 456 Jon Ellison 18-Apr-17 08:13
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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 490 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 506 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 540 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 300 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 479 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 597 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 467 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 563 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 353 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 387 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 361 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 376 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 381 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 388 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 300 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 329 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 407 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 414 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 327 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 381 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 556 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 299 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 333 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 480 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 348 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 264 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 317 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 344 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 279 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 448 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 269 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 337 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 333 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 292 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 522 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 304 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 460 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 426 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 393 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 392 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 475 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 299 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 400 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 424 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 557 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 361 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 315 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 359 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 458 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 489 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 368 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 296 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 335 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 316 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 355 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 363 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 321 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 380 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 352 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 307 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 449 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 493 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 374 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 395 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 341 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 366 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 427 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 636 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 334 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 468 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 429 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 364 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 384 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 312 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 391 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 358 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 275 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 476 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 264 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 291 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 297 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 458 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 278 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 342 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 394 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 377 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 453 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 347 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 355 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 424 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 430 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 305 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 477 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 335 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 349 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 275 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 346 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 372 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 315 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 294 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 385 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 393 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 317 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 438 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 447 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 333 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 445 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 462 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 267 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 388 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 440 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 330 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 454 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 490 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 438 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 00:05