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Hi Audrey


Audrey Wrote:
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> Thanks guys, those of you who think my post is
> worth thinking about.

Please let me also offer my belated praise, 'join the chorus', of appreciation for at least demonstrating considerable thought and effort, even though it is from a critical standpoint. You know I have offered such (albeit likely worthless) in the past.


>
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Warwick
> Roth may be guilty of overworking the problem,
> BUT, to suppose that her finite conclusions being
> wrong has any bearing on how the Vyse cartouche
> fits into all this is to propose a false
> dichotomy
>
> "Overworking" is an understatement. It is the
> orthos who have used Roth as a way to authenticate
> the cartouche. If you see a "false dichotomy" I
> assume you are intelligent enough to say where you
> see it. If not, we can discard your "dichotomy".

I also have some difficulty in reaching consensus with Roth's hypothesis regarding the meaning of the distribution of the hieratic (or if you prefer cursive hieroglyphs) in the chambers. She might be dead wrong, but at least she looks at what is there and tries to figure a rationale for it and it's significance. Rather than trying to speculate about what is not there!

Her work is as far as I know hasn't specifically been used directly "as a way to authenticate the cartouche". I suspect you mean the famous CC one.

>
> You are not understanding the debate. Let's try a
> mind experiment....

I realise this was addressed to Warwick , excuse me for interjecting when time permits. It seems this thread is still mainly all about justifying grand forgery on a major scale?

> Pretend Vyse never found markings in G1, pretend
> they don't exist. Set aside your convictions (if
> possible) and tell us how.... of all the
> cartouches found on the plateau....anyone would
> know which one belonged to the builder of G1? HOW
> could one tell if a particular cartouche was
> Cheops/Suphis?


Audrey, I am aware this has been answered several times before directly to your questions.

Do you think somehow that as of 1837 the Khufu cartouche was not known?
If so, i.e. not known, how could Vyse possibly forge it?

Does "Rosellini's 'I monumenti dell'Egitto e della Nubia' vol. 1 (1832)" ring any bells?

However, does not mean, of itself, he built G1, or does it?


>
> Is it not true that in Vyse's time there was, and
> had been for a very long time, a search for the
> ones who built the great pyramids? Is it not true
> that finding the name of the builders would unlock
> the mysteries of the pyramids? Is it not true that
> every author from Scaligerie to Vyse, including
> Wilkinson & Champolliion & Kircher, had sought the
> answer to the question of who built the pyramids?
> Was this not a main quest at the time? Isn't it a
> big key in establishing Egypt's chronology and
> consequently the chronology for all of the ancient
> east?

True, they wanted to know who built them. However, these "alts" you talk of, seem obsessed with the notion that the CC cartouche is the main and seemingly only identifier. It definitely is not the sole "key establishing Egypt's chronology ..."

>
> Without this key, without Vyse's "discovery", they
> would still be searching for the ones who built
> the pyramids. Is it not this key that set the
> stage for the understanding of Egypt's history?

Serious question please consider (and answer) for your own benefit:

Do you dispute all the links found between a family dynasty of kings queens relations of Sneferu, Khufu, (Djedefre), Khafre, Menkaure?

Do you dispute that later AE' people wrote and considered great pyramids to belong to that dynasty?
Whether they forged the inscriptions on statues etc or NOT is there evidence later dynastic AE thought they built them?

If so, then how much did Vyse know about that in 1837?




>
> And if this key is the wrong key, if it is not in
> fact the builder of G1, wouldn't they be back to
> square one, still searching for it? And if the key
> doesn't fit, then wouldn't ALL their conclusions
> about the Giza plateau be incorrect since ALL is
> based on this one key?


Depending on your answers above, you "alts" might hope so, but regardless of that definitely NO!


Some more questions that might help in the underlying point of your thread.

Why would Vyse concoct many many forgeries (has to be all of the legible hieratic)in such a way that which opens up to the intriguing speculation about the meaning of the distribution of such which Roth attempts to resolve with her hypothesis?

How could the A Alford now claimed by SC as his original guess 'at finding secret documents, talk of such distribution of such names! Didn't it have a story or some other juicy stuff to copy? Why didn't Vyse &Co think such all ought have for his purpose the more recognisable (at the time) Khufu cartouche or modify them to be so, if tht was his sole intent?

Finally, how did he possibly know the Horus name could be written outside of a serekh, and/or otherwise not inclosed, in a cartouche? If in a "secret document" then how did he read it?

Cheers

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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 303 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 529 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 627 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 577 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 344 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 512 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 647 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 505 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 606 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 386 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 423 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 393 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 456 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 421 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 426 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 336 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 368 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 457 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 447 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 368 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 420 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 592 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 338 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 381 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 532 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 402 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 302 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 359 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 383 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 322 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 488 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 305 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 376 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 377 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 328 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 576 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 350 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 519 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 559 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 440 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 446 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 512 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 352 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 445 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 460 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 595 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 397 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 352 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 480 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 511 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 539 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 404 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 339 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 370 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 357 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 394 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 410 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 371 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 418 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 388 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 465 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 487 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 626 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 411 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 441 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 380 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 401 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 536 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 705 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 377 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 530 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 470 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 399 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 439 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 349 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 428 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 396 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 312 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 524 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 392 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 371 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 340 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 507 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 326 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 384 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 431 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 424 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 485 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 382 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 401 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 467 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 471 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 343 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 523 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 376 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 391 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 420 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 400 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 408 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 350 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 325 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 426 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 437 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 460 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 599 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 570 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 378 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 481 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 506 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 305 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 429 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 492 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 473 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 502 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 531 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 478 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 00:05