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Hi Audrey


Audrey Wrote:
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> Thanks guys, those of you who think my post is
> worth thinking about.

Please let me also offer my belated praise, 'join the chorus', of appreciation for at least demonstrating considerable thought and effort, even though it is from a critical standpoint. You know I have offered such (albeit likely worthless) in the past.


>
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Warwick
> Roth may be guilty of overworking the problem,
> BUT, to suppose that her finite conclusions being
> wrong has any bearing on how the Vyse cartouche
> fits into all this is to propose a false
> dichotomy
>
> "Overworking" is an understatement. It is the
> orthos who have used Roth as a way to authenticate
> the cartouche. If you see a "false dichotomy" I
> assume you are intelligent enough to say where you
> see it. If not, we can discard your "dichotomy".

I also have some difficulty in reaching consensus with Roth's hypothesis regarding the meaning of the distribution of the hieratic (or if you prefer cursive hieroglyphs) in the chambers. She might be dead wrong, but at least she looks at what is there and tries to figure a rationale for it and it's significance. Rather than trying to speculate about what is not there!

Her work is as far as I know hasn't specifically been used directly "as a way to authenticate the cartouche". I suspect you mean the famous CC one.

>
> You are not understanding the debate. Let's try a
> mind experiment....

I realise this was addressed to Warwick , excuse me for interjecting when time permits. It seems this thread is still mainly all about justifying grand forgery on a major scale?

> Pretend Vyse never found markings in G1, pretend
> they don't exist. Set aside your convictions (if
> possible) and tell us how.... of all the
> cartouches found on the plateau....anyone would
> know which one belonged to the builder of G1? HOW
> could one tell if a particular cartouche was
> Cheops/Suphis?


Audrey, I am aware this has been answered several times before directly to your questions.

Do you think somehow that as of 1837 the Khufu cartouche was not known?
If so, i.e. not known, how could Vyse possibly forge it?

Does "Rosellini's 'I monumenti dell'Egitto e della Nubia' vol. 1 (1832)" ring any bells?

However, does not mean, of itself, he built G1, or does it?


>
> Is it not true that in Vyse's time there was, and
> had been for a very long time, a search for the
> ones who built the great pyramids? Is it not true
> that finding the name of the builders would unlock
> the mysteries of the pyramids? Is it not true that
> every author from Scaligerie to Vyse, including
> Wilkinson & Champolliion & Kircher, had sought the
> answer to the question of who built the pyramids?
> Was this not a main quest at the time? Isn't it a
> big key in establishing Egypt's chronology and
> consequently the chronology for all of the ancient
> east?

True, they wanted to know who built them. However, these "alts" you talk of, seem obsessed with the notion that the CC cartouche is the main and seemingly only identifier. It definitely is not the sole "key establishing Egypt's chronology ..."

>
> Without this key, without Vyse's "discovery", they
> would still be searching for the ones who built
> the pyramids. Is it not this key that set the
> stage for the understanding of Egypt's history?

Serious question please consider (and answer) for your own benefit:

Do you dispute all the links found between a family dynasty of kings queens relations of Sneferu, Khufu, (Djedefre), Khafre, Menkaure?

Do you dispute that later AE' people wrote and considered great pyramids to belong to that dynasty?
Whether they forged the inscriptions on statues etc or NOT is there evidence later dynastic AE thought they built them?

If so, then how much did Vyse know about that in 1837?




>
> And if this key is the wrong key, if it is not in
> fact the builder of G1, wouldn't they be back to
> square one, still searching for it? And if the key
> doesn't fit, then wouldn't ALL their conclusions
> about the Giza plateau be incorrect since ALL is
> based on this one key?


Depending on your answers above, you "alts" might hope so, but regardless of that definitely NO!


Some more questions that might help in the underlying point of your thread.

Why would Vyse concoct many many forgeries (has to be all of the legible hieratic)in such a way that which opens up to the intriguing speculation about the meaning of the distribution of such which Roth attempts to resolve with her hypothesis?

How could the A Alford now claimed by SC as his original guess 'at finding secret documents, talk of such distribution of such names! Didn't it have a story or some other juicy stuff to copy? Why didn't Vyse &Co think such all ought have for his purpose the more recognisable (at the time) Khufu cartouche or modify them to be so, if tht was his sole intent?

Finally, how did he possibly know the Horus name could be written outside of a serekh, and/or otherwise not inclosed, in a cartouche? If in a "secret document" then how did he read it?

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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 291 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 515 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 532 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 564 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 327 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 501 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 630 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 490 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 593 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 375 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 411 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 383 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 398 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 404 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 410 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 322 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 353 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 442 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 436 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 352 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 404 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 580 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 322 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 365 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 512 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 380 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 287 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 344 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 367 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 307 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 471 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 291 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 360 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 361 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 315 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 553 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 332 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 499 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 537 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 424 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 424 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 495 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 333 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 429 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 449 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 580 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 385 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 339 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 394 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 495 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 522 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 393 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 320 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 356 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 345 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 380 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 388 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 350 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 403 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 372 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 376 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 475 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 552 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 396 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 424 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 362 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 387 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 478 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 686 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 364 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 515 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 454 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 384 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 419 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 337 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 413 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 383 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 301 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 506 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 333 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 348 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 325 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 486 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 305 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 369 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 419 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 403 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 475 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 368 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 379 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 451 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 455 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 327 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 505 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 359 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 375 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 373 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 375 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 396 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 338 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 315 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 411 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 418 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 395 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 517 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 550 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 363 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 466 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 495 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 290 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 416 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 482 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 397 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 485 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 514 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 464 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 00:05