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taking sides...I suppose so but
Date: April 14, 2017 04:18AM
I view it more towards taking a position...which ultimately leads towards taking a side. One position is solidly (where I am) of the opinion that people didn't carve these square caves out by way of using primitive means ie: chisels...
Your position, if I gather correctly, is that it is and they did.
You don't find the marks on the walls strange insofar as they are uniform and are of significant length. Did the carvers/chiselers do it this way for esthetic purposes? My position/side says no. You don't comment so I can only assume that you feel they did this with chisels for some reason.
Copper/bronze/hardened steel...remember the elephant carver my friend. Got nowhere...and yet Petra has extensive rooms carved out of stone.
We'll never know who or how but we can postulate, based on the work of Dunn and others...that one view is more likely than the other. The difference of opinions will not likely change - and that's fine. I've shown video's with closeups of the work at Petra and there is obviously something other than chisels were used - I've pointed this out in a previous post but can't be bothered to try and look for this now. I don't believe there was much, if any, comment on that from your 'side'. I do wonder why but this is my interest and not necessarily someone else's. It'll be somewhere in the Newearth vid on Petra.
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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Racho
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02-Apr-17 18:38 |

Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Fsbirdhouse
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02-Apr-17 20:05 |
 
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake
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Racho
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04-Apr-17 14:02 |
  
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake
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Fsbirdhouse
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04-Apr-17 14:51 |
   
If on purpose...
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Racho
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14-Apr-17 05:01 |
    
Re: If on purpose...
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Origyptian
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14-Apr-17 05:32 |
  
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake
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Origyptian
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07-Apr-17 13:28 |
 
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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SandyJesse
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07-Apr-17 22:42 |
  
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Fsbirdhouse
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09-Apr-17 16:59 |

Re: B 4 : )
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Thunderbird
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05-Apr-17 05:22 |
 
Re: B 4 : )
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Warwick
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07-Apr-17 17:50 |

Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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SandyJesse
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07-Apr-17 01:30 |
 
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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07-Apr-17 18:03 |
  
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Jon Ellison
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08-Apr-17 10:53 |
   
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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08-Apr-17 17:57 |
    
if I carried out a test...
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Racho
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09-Apr-17 02:15 |
     
Re: if I carried out a test...
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Jon Ellison
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09-Apr-17 08:44 |
      
I did check it out :)
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Racho
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25-Apr-17 05:59 |
       
Re: I did check it out :)
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Origyptian
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25-Apr-17 14:22 |
        
Don't even need to stop to think on this...
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Racho
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25-Apr-17 15:37 |
         
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this...
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Thanos5150
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25-Apr-17 17:20 |
          
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent
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Racho
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25-Apr-17 18:07 |
           
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent
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Thanos5150
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25-Apr-17 19:49 |
            
Would you agree...
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Racho
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25-Apr-17 20:29 |
             
Re: Would you agree...
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Thanos5150
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25-Apr-17 21:07 |
              
Re: Would you agree...
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Origyptian
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25-Apr-17 22:54 |
               
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark
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Racho
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15-Oct-17 05:46 |
                
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark
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Jon Ellison
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15-Oct-17 14:26 |
                 
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before
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Racho
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15-Oct-17 16:49 |
                  
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before
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Jon Ellison
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15-Oct-17 19:20 |
                  
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before
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Jon Ellison
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15-Oct-17 19:35 |
                 
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark
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Origyptian
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16-Oct-17 03:27 |
                  
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark
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Jon Ellison
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16-Oct-17 07:58 |
                   
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark
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Jon Ellison
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16-Oct-17 09:19 |
                    
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark
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Jon Ellison
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16-Oct-17 11:03 |
                 
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff'
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Racho
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20-Dec-19 20:04 |
                  
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff'
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Martin Stower
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20-Dec-19 23:47 |
                   
?
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Racho
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21-Dec-19 01:25 |
                  
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff'
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Open mind
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21-Dec-19 02:03 |
                   
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff'
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Thanos5150
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21-Dec-19 04:19 |
                    
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff'
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Open mind
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21-Dec-19 05:07 |
                     
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff'
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Thanos5150
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21-Dec-19 16:25 |
             
Re: Would you agree...
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Corpuscles
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25-Apr-17 23:56 |
     
Re: if I carried out a test...
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 15:39 |
     
Re: if I carried out a test...
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Fsbirdhouse
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09-Apr-17 22:34 |
      
Re: if I carried out a test...
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Jon Ellison
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09-Apr-17 23:20 |
       
could not have been
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 15:34 |
        
Re: could not have been
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Jon Ellison
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10-Apr-17 16:18 |
         
Re: could not have been
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 17:29 |
          
Re: could not have been
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Jon Ellison
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10-Apr-17 17:59 |
           
Re: could not have been
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 18:48 |
            
Re: could not have been
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Jon Ellison
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10-Apr-17 19:18 |
             
Re: could not have been
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 19:34 |
              
Re: could not have been
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Jon Ellison
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10-Apr-17 19:55 |
               
Re: could not have been
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Warwick
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11-Apr-17 17:29 |
    
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Thanos5150
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09-Apr-17 16:13 |
     
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 16:42 |
      
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Thanos5150
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09-Apr-17 16:56 |
       
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 17:21 |
        
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Thanos5150
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09-Apr-17 18:00 |
         
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 18:06 |
          
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Thanos5150
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09-Apr-17 18:22 |
           
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 18:31 |
            
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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09-Apr-17 20:02 |
             
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 15:41 |
          
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Jon Ellison
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09-Apr-17 18:44 |
           
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 19:03 |
            
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Jon Ellison
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09-Apr-17 19:17 |
             
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 19:48 |
              
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Jon Ellison
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09-Apr-17 20:33 |
               
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 15:53 |
            
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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09-Apr-17 20:06 |
             
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Thanos5150
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09-Apr-17 23:24 |
              
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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10-Apr-17 04:42 |
               
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Jon Ellison
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10-Apr-17 08:50 |
                
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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10-Apr-17 14:16 |
               
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Thanos5150
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10-Apr-17 15:25 |
                
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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10-Apr-17 15:44 |
          
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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10-Apr-17 14:44 |
           
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 15:26 |
            
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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10-Apr-17 15:54 |
             
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 16:01 |
             
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Jon Ellison
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10-Apr-17 16:23 |
              
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 17:06 |
            
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Jon Ellison
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10-Apr-17 16:11 |
             
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 17:23 |
 
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along
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Racho
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08-Apr-17 16:54 |
  
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along
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Warwick
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08-Apr-17 18:23 |
   
Oranges and apples...
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Racho
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09-Apr-17 00:39 |
    
Re: Oranges and apples...
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 15:59 |
  
Re: In plain sight
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Thunderbird
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10-Apr-17 19:53 |
   
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;)
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Racho
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14-Apr-17 06:53 |
    
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;)
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Thunderbird
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15-Apr-17 01:31 |

Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Archae Solenhofen
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09-Apr-17 16:47 |
 
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 16:52 |
  
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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09-Apr-17 19:49 |
   
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 19:53 |
    
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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09-Apr-17 20:09 |
 
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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09-Apr-17 19:49 |
  
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Jon Ellison
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09-Apr-17 19:59 |
   
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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09-Apr-17 20:26 |
 
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Fsbirdhouse
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10-Apr-17 15:26 |
  
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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10-Apr-17 15:46 |
   
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Fsbirdhouse
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10-Apr-17 18:45 |
    
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Eddie Larry
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10-Apr-17 18:49 |
    
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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10-Apr-17 18:50 |
     
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 19:18 |
     
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Racho
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11-Apr-17 06:22 |
      
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 09:27 |
       
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Origyptian
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11-Apr-17 19:32 |
        
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 19:38 |
      
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Archae Solenhofen
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11-Apr-17 14:11 |
       
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 14:27 |
        
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Archae Solenhofen
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11-Apr-17 14:49 |
         
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 15:27 |
          
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Fsbirdhouse
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11-Apr-17 15:53 |
           
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 15:55 |
           
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Archae Solenhofen
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11-Apr-17 16:35 |
            
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 16:49 |
           
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Origyptian
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11-Apr-17 19:54 |
            
once the mistake...
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Racho
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12-Apr-17 00:03 |
            
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Thunderbird
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12-Apr-17 04:20 |
             
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Origyptian
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12-Apr-17 13:14 |
          
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Archae Solenhofen
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11-Apr-17 17:31 |
           
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 18:17 |
            
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 18:26 |
             
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 18:43 |
              
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Archae Solenhofen
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12-Apr-17 14:43 |
            
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Archae Solenhofen
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11-Apr-17 18:41 |
             
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 18:45 |
           
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Fsbirdhouse
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11-Apr-17 18:48 |
            
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 19:00 |
             
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Warwick
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11-Apr-17 19:37 |
              
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 19:59 |
               
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Warwick
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11-Apr-17 20:29 |
                
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 20:34 |
               
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 20:29 |
                
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Warwick
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11-Apr-17 20:37 |
                 
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 20:45 |
                  
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Warwick
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12-Apr-17 17:24 |
                 
science and technology...where minds come to meet
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Racho
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11-Apr-17 20:46 |
                  
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 21:19 |
                   
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet
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Archae Solenhofen
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12-Apr-17 15:01 |
                    
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet
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Warwick
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12-Apr-17 17:52 |
                     
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used?
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Racho
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12-Apr-17 20:20 |
                      
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used?
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Origyptian
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12-Apr-17 21:34 |
                       
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this?
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Racho
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12-Apr-17 22:54 |
                        
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this?
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Warwick
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13-Apr-17 17:15 |
                         
taking sides...I suppose so but
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Racho
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14-Apr-17 04:18 |
                   
beating the dead horse...
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Racho
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20-Apr-17 06:50 |

Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Notinham
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11-Apr-17 01:43 |