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Warwick Wrote:
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> that should be "stone" walled. ;)
>
> why would you polish it first? Doesn't that make
> it harder to work?

Polishing is all it did, it removed the surface irregularities. Then it brick walled.
No more progress. No cutting. Try yourself.


>
> That applies to any medium in my experience
>
> Isn't calling 10's of 1000's of academics and
> scholars 'full of crap' a little over the
> top????

In terms of using copper tubes to make bore holes in granite all I can say is they didn't try it and think it through. The AE didn't have seamless tube. If they made tube by rolling and soft soldering that's fine for ornaments and teapots. Not going to hold up in a drill my friend..
I've spent a lot of time in academia. It is possible that the same old ideas just get accepted and written and re-written without question. With nothing more than that all important biliography for support.
In fact some don't even bother to read the damn book they just go straight to that all important bibliography.
Path of least resistance.


>
> You seem to be equating one not having convincing
> proof of something with being purposefully
> deceitful.

No it's institutionalised and accepted practice. Not a conspiracy. The economic money go round.


>
>
> Oh wait....that is what is at the bottom of this,
> isn't it.
>
> The valiant defenders of the truth striking out at
> the Victorian Academics who were all egotistical
> frauds.

Not necessarily. However in most disciplines such as medicine and engineering those victorian books are considered a tad out of date. Methods and techniques move forward. New ways of looking at evidence. Far more people looking more critically at the evidence. Today people are far less restraind by socio political and religious pressures.
Look at Darwin .. How many years before he had the courage to publish?

As a kid I was taught that dinosaurs lumbered around dragging their tails and were to stupid to evolve and survive.
Now we have them multicoloured, feathered and sprinting. Top of the tree for a couple of hundred million years.
My advice is don't read victorian dinosaur books.

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>
> More of my nonsense to you I suppose

You suppose wrong. Try not to suppose.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11-Apr-17 20:08 by Jon Ellison.

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3206 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 878 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 782 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 767 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 342 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 388 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 650 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 648 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 416 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 609 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 586 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 651 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 745 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 829 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 526 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 609 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 555 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 464 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 367 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 346 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 408 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 344 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 441 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 387 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 430 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 411 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 316 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 253 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 323 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 291 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 301 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 311 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 315 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 282 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 563 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 90 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 91 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 75 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 85 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 85 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 91 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 124 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 618 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 421 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 466 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 378 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 427 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 432 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 470 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 444 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 371 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 381 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 399 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 435 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 385 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 413 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 516 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 432 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 421 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 482 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 409 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 438 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 450 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 426 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 489 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 385 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 424 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 410 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 440 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 543 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 406 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 484 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 512 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 431 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 439 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 454 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 413 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 387 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 443 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 417 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 399 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 394 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 447 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 424 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 426 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 405 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 566 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 560 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 483 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 453 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 473 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 470 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 514 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 440 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 432 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 418 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 434 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 414 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 499 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 509 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 421 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 429 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 425 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 472 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 438 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 411 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 437 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 395 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 508 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 309 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 461 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 302 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 413 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 396 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 380 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 393 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 451 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 459 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 266 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 295 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 385 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 490 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 329 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 464 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 386 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 376 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 455 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 380 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 393 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 431 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 334 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 421 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 343 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 420 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 339 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 400 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 436 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 334 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 408 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 312 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 359 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 364 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 622 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 394 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 408 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 496 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 537 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 409 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 434 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 553 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 583 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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