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> > > > > > > Then you jump to the
> > > conclusion...forsaking
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > test...7 days later.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What conclusion is that??? I don't yet
> > have
> > > a
> > > > > > conclusion.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you now saying that the AE's might
> have
> > > > done
> > > > > it?
> > > > >
> > > > > If not you've made your conclusion
> > > >
> > > > Incorrect...
> > > > "might"??
> > > >
> > > > My conclusion is that at this time we have
> no
> > > idea
> > > > who, why or how the structure was built.
> > >
> > > I will agree that the jury is out
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The one candidate often put forward, the
> 4th
> > > > dynasty AE technological culture, did not
> > have,
> > > > according to the extant archeological
> > physical
> > > > record of their design, tooling
> > >
> > >
> > > in your opinion
> > >
> > > and construction
> > > > capabilities,
> > >
> > > There I disagree with your conclusion,
> strongly
> > >
> > > the construction infrastructure
> > >
> > >
> > > there I completely disagree
> > >
> > > and
> > > > support systems necessary to even conceive
> of
> > > the
> > > > project.
> > >
> > >
> > > Now you are going too far
> > >
> > >
> > > > I therefore conclude that according to the
> > > known
> > > > physical archeological record, it is highly
> > > > unlikely that the Fourth Dynasty AE built
> the
> > > > Great Pyramid
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I will cede the unlikely based on your
> > > understanding
> > >
> > >
> > > and that the Fourth Dynasty AE can
> > > > be eliminated from the issue.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That last bit sounds suspiciously like a
> > > conclusion
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The pyramid was built by a lost
> technological
> > > > culture.
> > > > Which will remain lost until found.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What are you doing to find it?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > So therefore as yet, I have no conclusion
> as
> > to
> > > > who, when and why.
> > >
> > >
> > > Just who not, when not, and why not.
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you EVER mentally free associated on the
> > > WHY?
> > >
> > > Not even an iota of thought as to what the
> > purpose
> > > might have been?
> > >
> > > Do you want to know?
> > >
> > > Cuz it seems to me is that you only wish to
> > find
> > > out what other think
> > >
> > >
> > > Warwick
> >
> >
> > Well that was a consise collection of
> ridiculous
> > statements wasn't it.
>
>
>
> that's concise to you.

Certainly is....


>
>
> > My interest is in applied techniques,
> > technologies.
>
>
> My interest is in applied beliefs

That figures.....


>
>
> > Some of which are lost in that we have no
> > understanding of how they were achieved.
> > Lost technologies... Mysteries if you will.
> Hence
> > this forum and the debate.
> > I'm not particularly interested in the
> > civilization, race, sex, colour, flavour,
> > nationality or age of the practitioners of the
> > lost technology.
>
>
>
> Now that is a Mystery to ME

So be it......


>
>
>
> >
> > I'm interested in the lost techniques.
> > You say that there are no lost techniques??
>
>
>
> Where did I ever say that???

That's why I asked the question.. the question marks are a dead givaway..


>
>
> > You say that you are fully aware of all of the
> > techniques necessary in the construction of a
> > multi million ton pyramid comprised of many and
> > varied and for me at least, unfathomable
> > techniques??
>
>
> I say that I appreciate the demands of a project
> of this nature...yes.

Are you aware of the execution of all of the demands of the project??? (question marks)



>
>
> > You say that there is no mystery??
>
>
> I have never said that about our past....NEVER!

Thats why I asked a question..


>
>
> > You say that there is no need for a search
> because
> > all has been discovered??
>
>
>
> Never said that either

Coooool.. Just love a mystery.


>
>
> >
> > Then good for you. It must be sheer bliss
> living
> > comfortably in the realm of the all knowing.
> > I however am not convinced, call me Mr.
> sceptical
> > if you like but for now and if you don't have
> any
> > objection I'll go on looking.
> > Because..
> > I'm not convinced.
>
>
>
> NIce little speech wherein you summarised your
> opinion of opinions that I do not share.


Excellent! I'm fully comfortable with that. I'll take it as a compliment.
Thank you.


>
>
> >
> > PS, I'll go on looking even if you do object.
>
>
>
> When did I object? Indeed I thought by asking my
> questions that I was Demanding that you go on
> looking

Thank you, I will.


>
>
> >
> > Oh by the way .. Reverse Engineering... The
> > purpose comes last, not first.
>
> The reason for building something comes first

We're not building something we're deconstructing something.
It was built by someone else. That means... Not us.


>
>
> Unless you are proposing a civilisation of idiot
> savants

No, no, they were very, very intelligent. They probably knew exactly what they were building and how to build it.
Unfortunately they didn't leave us any record whatsoever of who they were, how or why. So therefore we have to start with the bare bones, their finishing point is our starting point.

Reverse or retro engineering.
It'll take time and only amateurs make assumptions.
The purpose comes last.
Be patient...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10-Apr-17 20:21 by Jon Ellison.

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3397 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 932 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 839 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 825 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 392 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 448 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 705 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 701 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 468 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 662 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 648 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 711 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 798 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 893 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 587 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 667 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 613 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 522 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 418 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 399 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 468 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 407 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 492 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 453 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 499 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 478 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 368 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 304 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 379 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 343 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 354 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 360 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 372 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 335 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 625 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 141 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 147 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 127 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 142 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 140 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 147 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 181 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 679 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 473 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 526 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 433 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 483 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 486 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 526 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 505 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 475 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 434 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 453 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 487 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 437 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 464 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 569 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 488 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 475 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 555 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 458 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 525 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 506 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 479 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 544 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 440 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 480 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 463 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 497 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 596 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 460 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 539 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 566 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 480 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 487 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 510 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 470 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 441 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 498 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 471 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 474 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 446 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 501 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 477 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 478 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 460 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 618 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 610 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 529 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 504 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 524 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 534 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 579 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 490 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 483 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 472 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 484 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 466 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 567 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 562 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 471 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 490 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 483 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 530 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 492 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 497 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 485 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 452 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 567 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 365 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 513 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 353 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 464 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 469 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 438 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 448 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 510 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 507 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 312 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 356 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 433 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 548 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 382 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 517 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 438 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 431 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 509 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 432 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 445 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 492 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 386 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 473 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 393 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 469 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 383 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 468 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 495 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 378 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 461 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 358 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 411 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 410 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 676 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 439 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 460 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 556 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 584 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 463 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 484 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 724 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 638 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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