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> > > > > > > Then you jump to the
> > > conclusion...forsaking
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > test...7 days later.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What conclusion is that??? I don't yet
> > have
> > > a
> > > > > > conclusion.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you now saying that the AE's might
> have
> > > > done
> > > > > it?
> > > > >
> > > > > If not you've made your conclusion
> > > >
> > > > Incorrect...
> > > > "might"??
> > > >
> > > > My conclusion is that at this time we have
> no
> > > idea
> > > > who, why or how the structure was built.
> > >
> > > I will agree that the jury is out
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The one candidate often put forward, the
> 4th
> > > > dynasty AE technological culture, did not
> > have,
> > > > according to the extant archeological
> > physical
> > > > record of their design, tooling
> > >
> > >
> > > in your opinion
> > >
> > > and construction
> > > > capabilities,
> > >
> > > There I disagree with your conclusion,
> strongly
> > >
> > > the construction infrastructure
> > >
> > >
> > > there I completely disagree
> > >
> > > and
> > > > support systems necessary to even conceive
> of
> > > the
> > > > project.
> > >
> > >
> > > Now you are going too far
> > >
> > >
> > > > I therefore conclude that according to the
> > > known
> > > > physical archeological record, it is highly
> > > > unlikely that the Fourth Dynasty AE built
> the
> > > > Great Pyramid
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I will cede the unlikely based on your
> > > understanding
> > >
> > >
> > > and that the Fourth Dynasty AE can
> > > > be eliminated from the issue.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That last bit sounds suspiciously like a
> > > conclusion
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The pyramid was built by a lost
> technological
> > > > culture.
> > > > Which will remain lost until found.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What are you doing to find it?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > So therefore as yet, I have no conclusion
> as
> > to
> > > > who, when and why.
> > >
> > >
> > > Just who not, when not, and why not.
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you EVER mentally free associated on the
> > > WHY?
> > >
> > > Not even an iota of thought as to what the
> > purpose
> > > might have been?
> > >
> > > Do you want to know?
> > >
> > > Cuz it seems to me is that you only wish to
> > find
> > > out what other think
> > >
> > >
> > > Warwick
> >
> >
> > Well that was a consise collection of
> ridiculous
> > statements wasn't it.
>
>
>
> that's concise to you.

Certainly is....


>
>
> > My interest is in applied techniques,
> > technologies.
>
>
> My interest is in applied beliefs

That figures.....


>
>
> > Some of which are lost in that we have no
> > understanding of how they were achieved.
> > Lost technologies... Mysteries if you will.
> Hence
> > this forum and the debate.
> > I'm not particularly interested in the
> > civilization, race, sex, colour, flavour,
> > nationality or age of the practitioners of the
> > lost technology.
>
>
>
> Now that is a Mystery to ME

So be it......


>
>
>
> >
> > I'm interested in the lost techniques.
> > You say that there are no lost techniques??
>
>
>
> Where did I ever say that???

That's why I asked the question.. the question marks are a dead givaway..


>
>
> > You say that you are fully aware of all of the
> > techniques necessary in the construction of a
> > multi million ton pyramid comprised of many and
> > varied and for me at least, unfathomable
> > techniques??
>
>
> I say that I appreciate the demands of a project
> of this nature...yes.

Are you aware of the execution of all of the demands of the project??? (question marks)



>
>
> > You say that there is no mystery??
>
>
> I have never said that about our past....NEVER!

Thats why I asked a question..


>
>
> > You say that there is no need for a search
> because
> > all has been discovered??
>
>
>
> Never said that either

Coooool.. Just love a mystery.


>
>
> >
> > Then good for you. It must be sheer bliss
> living
> > comfortably in the realm of the all knowing.
> > I however am not convinced, call me Mr.
> sceptical
> > if you like but for now and if you don't have
> any
> > objection I'll go on looking.
> > Because..
> > I'm not convinced.
>
>
>
> NIce little speech wherein you summarised your
> opinion of opinions that I do not share.


Excellent! I'm fully comfortable with that. I'll take it as a compliment.
Thank you.


>
>
> >
> > PS, I'll go on looking even if you do object.
>
>
>
> When did I object? Indeed I thought by asking my
> questions that I was Demanding that you go on
> looking

Thank you, I will.


>
>
> >
> > Oh by the way .. Reverse Engineering... The
> > purpose comes last, not first.
>
> The reason for building something comes first

We're not building something we're deconstructing something.
It was built by someone else. That means... Not us.


>
>
> Unless you are proposing a civilisation of idiot
> savants

No, no, they were very, very intelligent. They probably knew exactly what they were building and how to build it.
Unfortunately they didn't leave us any record whatsoever of who they were, how or why. So therefore we have to start with the bare bones, their finishing point is our starting point.

Reverse or retro engineering.
It'll take time and only amateurs make assumptions.
The purpose comes last.
Be patient...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10-Apr-17 20:21 by Jon Ellison.

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3308 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 909 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 812 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 800 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 370 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 415 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 679 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 677 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 447 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 636 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 621 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 686 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 774 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 870 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 556 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 641 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 586 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 494 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 396 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 374 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 449 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 378 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 468 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 426 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 475 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 446 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 346 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 281 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 354 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 319 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 334 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 338 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 347 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 312 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 600 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 118 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 125 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 106 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 118 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 115 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 124 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 158 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 650 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 451 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 504 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 410 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 459 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 460 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 503 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 479 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 429 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 412 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 428 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 465 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 415 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 440 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 549 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 464 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 455 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 532 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 441 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 473 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 479 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 456 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 522 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 416 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 457 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 440 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 474 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 571 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 436 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 513 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 543 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 457 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 468 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 484 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 444 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 419 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 475 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 450 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 432 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 422 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 477 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 451 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 455 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 436 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 596 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 589 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 510 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 484 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 502 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 507 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 551 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 469 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 460 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 444 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 467 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 448 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 537 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 540 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 448 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 465 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 457 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 506 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 471 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 441 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 465 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 426 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 541 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 335 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 492 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 334 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 440 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 425 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 411 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 421 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 486 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 490 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 292 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 332 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 413 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 527 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 358 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 496 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 418 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 404 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 489 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 410 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 429 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 465 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 366 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 450 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 371 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 449 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 363 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 427 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 468 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 363 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 436 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 338 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 386 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 390 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 658 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 422 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 436 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 528 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 564 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 437 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 458 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 633 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 616 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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