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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Warwick Wrote:
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> > Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> > > What I wish someone would do is to chisel
> with
> > > both copper and bronze and compare the
> > > differences. Mesopotamia had been using
> bronze
> > > for a thousand years before the OK which by
> that
> > > time the bronze age was well on its way. Its
> > > impossible the OK AE were not aware of bronze
> and
> > > given the fact "99.9%" of the copper they are
> > > claimed to have used to build these structures
> is
> > > missing from the archaeological record who is
> to
> > > say bronze was not utilized as well?
> >
> > Or even iron.
> >
> > The arguments re lack of evidence cut both ways
> in that regard.
> >
> > Warwick
>
> Respectfully, the lack of evidence of tools used
> to build those structures in the 3rd mill. BC does
> indeed allow the arguments to cut both ways, but
> if you're going to invoke the pure speculation of
> "iron"




excuse me but...It wasn't me that invoked iron. It was Jon

Pay bloody attention, if you are going to dismiss someone's argument


simply on the basis that the corresponding
> copper tools don't exist in the evidence either,
> then why not also invoke a non-terrestrial origin
> as well?


If you wish to go there...no one is stopping you.


Now you're using that 'backhoe ' to shovel words into my mouth


>
> In any case, in the spirit of showing how the
> arguments cut both ways, let's also include what
> some of us consider to be a more plausible
> alternative argument: The reason the copper that
> allegedly built those structures is nowhere to be
> found (as are many key tools and methods required
> to achieve such construction) could simply be that
> those structures were not built by 3rd mill. BC
> Egyptians.



While I dispute your claim re 'nowhere' I do not dispute the possibility that they were built elsewhen



>
> But when you jump to the conclusion the 4th
> Dynasty must have built those structures


I didn't JUMP to this conclusion

even
> though we don't see the evidence of the copper
> tools that they (allegedly) used,



again I did[ute this point


and then use
> that lack of evidence to also allow the
> possibility of other non-existent tools, you are
> simply attempting to secure the self-consistency
> of the traditional narrative, but it's all pure
> speculation with little basis in fact other than
> the conspicuous contradiction that there's no
> direct evidence that they had anything but soft
> copper-based tools and no indication in the
> documented record that they had the methods to
> achieve such a massive construction project.



Actually...in this instance we WERE discussing(or at least Racho and I were) how do properly put the disputed unknowns to the test. Instead of beating the poor horse senseless.

MY point, which I obviously failed to communicate adequately was and still is..

No matter what tests are carried out, they will not be seen as being good enough here.

UNLESS they are conducted in a professional manner, with the ideal materials , under the ideal conditions, with Fair Witness oversight.


>
> It's a circular argument to first speculate that
> they built all that stuff with non-existent
> copper-based tools and methods in the 3rd mill.
> BC, and then use that speculation as a logical
> foundation to propose other non-existent tools and
> methods.


As I did not attempt to do that I don't know why you are attributing that to me.

Perhaps in this instance if we tried to stay on topic instead of turning every thread into obtuse verbiage, we might get somewhere.

Or you can come up with some way of falsifying your claim that no one built them.

I say this based on the fact that you repeatedly REFUSE to share who you think may have built them.
When they built them

and why they built them.

This would be a refreshing change from your constant negativity towards those who have formulated opinions and shared them.

Warwick

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3213 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 881 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 784 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 769 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 344 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 391 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 653 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 653 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 418 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 611 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 589 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 653 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 747 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 831 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 528 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 611 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 558 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 467 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 370 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 348 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 411 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 347 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 443 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 389 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 438 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 415 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 319 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 255 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 325 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 294 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 303 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 313 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 318 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 284 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 566 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 93 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 94 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 78 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 89 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 88 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 94 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 127 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 620 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 423 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 468 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 380 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 429 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 434 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 475 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 448 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 373 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 384 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 402 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 437 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 389 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 415 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 520 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 435 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 424 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 484 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 413 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 440 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 453 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 428 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 491 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 388 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 426 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 414 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 443 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 545 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 408 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 486 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 514 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 433 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 441 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 457 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 417 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 389 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 446 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 421 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 406 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 397 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 450 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 427 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 428 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 409 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 568 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 562 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 486 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 456 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 477 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 476 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 519 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 443 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 434 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 420 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 436 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 416 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 504 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 511 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 423 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 431 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 429 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 474 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 441 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 413 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 439 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 398 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 510 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 311 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 463 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 304 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 416 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 399 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 383 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 396 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 454 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 463 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 268 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 298 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 387 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 493 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 332 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 467 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 390 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 379 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 457 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 382 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 397 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 433 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 337 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 423 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 345 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 424 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 341 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 404 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 440 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 338 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 411 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 316 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 361 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 366 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 625 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 397 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 410 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 498 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 541 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 411 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 437 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 556 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 586 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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