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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Warwick Wrote:
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> > Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> > > What I wish someone would do is to chisel
> with
> > > both copper and bronze and compare the
> > > differences. Mesopotamia had been using
> bronze
> > > for a thousand years before the OK which by
> that
> > > time the bronze age was well on its way. Its
> > > impossible the OK AE were not aware of bronze
> and
> > > given the fact "99.9%" of the copper they are
> > > claimed to have used to build these structures
> is
> > > missing from the archaeological record who is
> to
> > > say bronze was not utilized as well?
> >
> > Or even iron.
> >
> > The arguments re lack of evidence cut both ways
> in that regard.
> >
> > Warwick
>
> Respectfully, the lack of evidence of tools used
> to build those structures in the 3rd mill. BC does
> indeed allow the arguments to cut both ways, but
> if you're going to invoke the pure speculation of
> "iron"




excuse me but...It wasn't me that invoked iron. It was Jon

Pay bloody attention, if you are going to dismiss someone's argument


simply on the basis that the corresponding
> copper tools don't exist in the evidence either,
> then why not also invoke a non-terrestrial origin
> as well?


If you wish to go there...no one is stopping you.


Now you're using that 'backhoe ' to shovel words into my mouth


>
> In any case, in the spirit of showing how the
> arguments cut both ways, let's also include what
> some of us consider to be a more plausible
> alternative argument: The reason the copper that
> allegedly built those structures is nowhere to be
> found (as are many key tools and methods required
> to achieve such construction) could simply be that
> those structures were not built by 3rd mill. BC
> Egyptians.



While I dispute your claim re 'nowhere' I do not dispute the possibility that they were built elsewhen



>
> But when you jump to the conclusion the 4th
> Dynasty must have built those structures


I didn't JUMP to this conclusion

even
> though we don't see the evidence of the copper
> tools that they (allegedly) used,



again I did[ute this point


and then use
> that lack of evidence to also allow the
> possibility of other non-existent tools, you are
> simply attempting to secure the self-consistency
> of the traditional narrative, but it's all pure
> speculation with little basis in fact other than
> the conspicuous contradiction that there's no
> direct evidence that they had anything but soft
> copper-based tools and no indication in the
> documented record that they had the methods to
> achieve such a massive construction project.



Actually...in this instance we WERE discussing(or at least Racho and I were) how do properly put the disputed unknowns to the test. Instead of beating the poor horse senseless.

MY point, which I obviously failed to communicate adequately was and still is..

No matter what tests are carried out, they will not be seen as being good enough here.

UNLESS they are conducted in a professional manner, with the ideal materials , under the ideal conditions, with Fair Witness oversight.


>
> It's a circular argument to first speculate that
> they built all that stuff with non-existent
> copper-based tools and methods in the 3rd mill.
> BC, and then use that speculation as a logical
> foundation to propose other non-existent tools and
> methods.


As I did not attempt to do that I don't know why you are attributing that to me.

Perhaps in this instance if we tried to stay on topic instead of turning every thread into obtuse verbiage, we might get somewhere.

Or you can come up with some way of falsifying your claim that no one built them.

I say this based on the fact that you repeatedly REFUSE to share who you think may have built them.
When they built them

and why they built them.

This would be a refreshing change from your constant negativity towards those who have formulated opinions and shared them.

Warwick

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3308 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 909 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 812 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 800 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 370 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 415 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 679 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 677 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 447 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 636 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 621 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 686 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 774 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 870 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 556 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 641 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 586 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 494 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 396 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 374 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 449 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 378 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 468 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 426 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 475 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 446 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 346 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 281 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 354 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 319 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 333 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 338 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 347 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 312 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 600 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 118 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 125 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 106 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 118 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 115 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 124 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 158 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 650 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 451 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 504 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 410 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 459 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 460 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 502 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 479 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 429 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 412 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 428 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 465 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 415 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 440 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 548 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 464 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 455 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 532 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 441 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 473 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 479 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 456 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 522 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 416 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 457 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 440 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 474 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 571 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 436 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 513 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 543 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 457 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 468 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 484 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 444 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 419 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 475 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 449 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 432 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 422 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 477 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 451 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 455 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 436 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 595 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 589 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 510 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 484 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 502 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 507 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 551 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 469 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 460 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 443 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 466 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 448 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 537 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 540 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 448 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 465 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 457 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 505 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 471 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 441 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 465 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 426 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 541 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 335 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 491 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 334 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 440 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 425 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 411 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 420 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 486 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 490 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 292 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 331 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 413 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 527 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 358 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 496 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 418 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 403 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 489 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 410 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 429 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 465 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 366 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 450 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 371 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 449 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 363 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 427 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 468 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 363 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 435 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 338 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 386 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 390 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 657 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 422 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 436 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 528 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 564 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 437 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 458 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 633 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 616 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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