Mysteries :  The Official GrahamHancock.com forums
For serious discussion of the controversies, approaches and enigmas surrounding the origins and development of the human species and of human civilization. (NB: for more ‘out there’ posts we point you in the direction of the ‘Paranormal & Supernatural’ Message Board). 
Welcome! Log InRegister
Origyptian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Warwick Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Thanos5150 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > What I wish someone would do is to chisel
> with
> > > both copper and bronze and compare the
> > > differences. Mesopotamia had been using
> bronze
> > > for a thousand years before the OK which by
> that
> > > time the bronze age was well on its way. Its
> > > impossible the OK AE were not aware of bronze
> and
> > > given the fact "99.9%" of the copper they are
> > > claimed to have used to build these structures
> is
> > > missing from the archaeological record who is
> to
> > > say bronze was not utilized as well?
> >
> > Or even iron.
> >
> > The arguments re lack of evidence cut both ways
> in that regard.
> >
> > Warwick
>
> Respectfully, the lack of evidence of tools used
> to build those structures in the 3rd mill. BC does
> indeed allow the arguments to cut both ways, but
> if you're going to invoke the pure speculation of
> "iron"




excuse me but...It wasn't me that invoked iron. It was Jon

Pay bloody attention, if you are going to dismiss someone's argument


simply on the basis that the corresponding
> copper tools don't exist in the evidence either,
> then why not also invoke a non-terrestrial origin
> as well?


If you wish to go there...no one is stopping you.


Now you're using that 'backhoe ' to shovel words into my mouth


>
> In any case, in the spirit of showing how the
> arguments cut both ways, let's also include what
> some of us consider to be a more plausible
> alternative argument: The reason the copper that
> allegedly built those structures is nowhere to be
> found (as are many key tools and methods required
> to achieve such construction) could simply be that
> those structures were not built by 3rd mill. BC
> Egyptians.



While I dispute your claim re 'nowhere' I do not dispute the possibility that they were built elsewhen



>
> But when you jump to the conclusion the 4th
> Dynasty must have built those structures


I didn't JUMP to this conclusion

even
> though we don't see the evidence of the copper
> tools that they (allegedly) used,



again I did[ute this point


and then use
> that lack of evidence to also allow the
> possibility of other non-existent tools, you are
> simply attempting to secure the self-consistency
> of the traditional narrative, but it's all pure
> speculation with little basis in fact other than
> the conspicuous contradiction that there's no
> direct evidence that they had anything but soft
> copper-based tools and no indication in the
> documented record that they had the methods to
> achieve such a massive construction project.



Actually...in this instance we WERE discussing(or at least Racho and I were) how do properly put the disputed unknowns to the test. Instead of beating the poor horse senseless.

MY point, which I obviously failed to communicate adequately was and still is..

No matter what tests are carried out, they will not be seen as being good enough here.

UNLESS they are conducted in a professional manner, with the ideal materials , under the ideal conditions, with Fair Witness oversight.


>
> It's a circular argument to first speculate that
> they built all that stuff with non-existent
> copper-based tools and methods in the 3rd mill.
> BC, and then use that speculation as a logical
> foundation to propose other non-existent tools and
> methods.


As I did not attempt to do that I don't know why you are attributing that to me.

Perhaps in this instance if we tried to stay on topic instead of turning every thread into obtuse verbiage, we might get somewhere.

Or you can come up with some way of falsifying your claim that no one built them.

I say this based on the fact that you repeatedly REFUSE to share who you think may have built them.
When they built them

and why they built them.

This would be a refreshing change from your constant negativity towards those who have formulated opinions and shared them.

Warwick

Options: ReplyQuote


Subject Views Written By Posted
Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3206 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 878 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 782 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 767 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 342 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 388 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 650 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 648 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 416 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 609 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 586 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 651 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 745 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 829 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 526 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 609 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 555 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 464 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 367 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 346 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 408 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 344 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 441 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 387 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 430 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 411 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 316 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 253 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 323 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 291 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 301 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 311 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 314 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 282 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 563 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 90 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 91 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 75 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 85 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 85 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 91 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 124 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 618 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 421 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 466 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 378 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 427 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 432 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 470 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 444 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 371 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 381 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 399 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 435 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 385 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 413 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 516 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 432 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 421 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 482 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 408 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 438 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 450 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 426 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 489 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 385 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 423 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 410 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 440 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 543 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 406 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 484 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 512 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 431 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 439 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 454 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 413 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 387 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 443 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 416 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 399 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 394 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 447 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 424 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 426 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 405 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 566 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 560 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 483 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 453 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 473 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 470 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 514 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 440 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 431 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 418 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 434 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 414 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 499 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 509 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 421 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 429 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 425 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 472 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 438 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 411 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 437 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 395 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 508 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 309 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 460 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 302 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 413 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 396 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 380 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 393 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 451 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 459 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 266 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 295 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 385 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 490 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 329 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 464 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 386 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 376 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 455 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 380 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 393 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 430 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 334 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 421 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 343 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 420 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 339 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 400 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 436 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 334 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 408 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 312 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 359 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 364 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 622 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 394 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 408 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 496 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 537 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 408 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 434 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 553 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 583 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.