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Warwick Wrote:
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> Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> > What I wish someone would do is to chisel with
> > both copper and bronze and compare the
> > differences. Mesopotamia had been using bronze
> > for a thousand years before the OK which by that
> > time the bronze age was well on its way. Its
> > impossible the OK AE were not aware of bronze and
> > given the fact "99.9%" of the copper they are
> > claimed to have used to build these structures is
> > missing from the archaeological record who is to
> > say bronze was not utilized as well?
>
> Or even iron.
>
> The arguments re lack of evidence cut both ways in that regard.
>
> Warwick

Respectfully, the lack of evidence of tools used to build those structures in the 3rd mill. BC does indeed allow the arguments to cut both ways, but if you're going to invoke the pure speculation of "iron" simply on the basis that the corresponding copper tools don't exist in the evidence either, then why not also invoke a non-terrestrial origin as well?

In any case, in the spirit of showing how the arguments cut both ways, let's also include what some of us consider to be a more plausible alternative argument: The reason the copper that allegedly built those structures is nowhere to be found (as are many key tools and methods required to achieve such construction) could simply be that those structures were not built by 3rd mill. BC Egyptians.

But when you jump to the conclusion the 4th Dynasty must have built those structures even though we don't see the evidence of the copper tools that they (allegedly) used, and then use that lack of evidence to also allow the possibility of other non-existent tools, you are simply attempting to secure the self-consistency of the traditional narrative, but it's all pure speculation with little basis in fact other than the conspicuous contradiction that there's no direct evidence that they had anything but soft copper-based tools and no indication in the documented record that they had the methods to achieve such a massive construction project.

It's a circular argument to first speculate that they built all that stuff with non-existent copper-based tools and methods in the 3rd mill. BC, and then use that speculation as a logical foundation to propose other non-existent tools and methods.

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3215 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 883 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 785 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 771 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 346 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 392 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 654 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 655 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 421 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 613 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 590 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 657 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 748 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 834 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 530 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 613 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 560 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 468 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 373 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 350 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 416 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 349 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 445 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 391 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 445 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 416 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 322 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 258 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 328 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 296 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 305 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 315 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 320 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 285 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 567 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 95 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 96 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 80 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 90 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 90 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 96 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 130 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 622 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 424 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 470 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 384 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 431 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 437 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 477 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 449 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 375 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 386 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 404 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 442 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 393 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 417 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 522 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 437 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 426 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 485 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 414 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 443 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 455 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 430 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 493 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 389 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 427 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 415 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 445 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 547 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 411 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 488 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 515 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 435 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 444 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 458 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 418 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 390 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 448 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 423 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 409 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 398 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 451 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 430 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 430 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 411 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 570 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 564 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 488 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 459 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 479 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 478 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 521 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 444 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 437 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 422 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 439 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 419 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 506 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 514 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 426 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 434 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 432 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 476 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 443 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 416 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 442 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 400 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 513 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 313 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 465 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 306 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 418 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 401 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 385 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 399 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 456 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 465 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 270 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 300 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 389 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 495 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 334 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 469 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 391 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 381 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 459 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 385 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 399 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 434 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 339 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 425 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 347 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 426 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 342 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 405 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 442 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 340 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 413 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 319 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 365 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 368 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 627 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 398 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 411 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 501 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 542 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 414 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 439 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 558 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 588 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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