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Brass tools, steel tools, and hard tipped tools. Copper tools for experimental purposes.

The hard igneos rock, granite work could not have been achieved using copper or copper alloy tools.
Which is exactly why we don't use or would even attempt to use copper or copper alloys today, and as far as I know have never been used for carving or working hard igneous rock.
Copper alloys may have been tried in the past with similar negative results to that we see today, thus abandoned.

Which is why we went on to develop steel tools with hardened tips.

Something else was afoot.
Something that we have no knowledge of, or understanding of, or physical evidence of today.
A lost technology. Both in material and technique.
We first need to fully acknowledge that we have no idea how these constructs were produced..

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3305 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 908 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 811 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 798 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 368 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 414 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 677 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 676 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 445 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 635 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 619 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 683 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 773 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 868 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 555 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 640 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 584 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 493 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 395 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 373 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 445 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 377 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 466 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 423 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 472 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 443 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 343 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 279 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 352 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 318 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 331 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 337 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 343 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 309 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 599 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 115 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 123 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 104 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 115 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 113 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 122 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 155 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 648 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 447 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 502 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 407 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 456 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 459 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 501 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 478 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 427 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 411 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 427 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 462 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 414 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 438 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 546 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 463 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 452 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 530 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 438 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 470 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 478 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 454 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 518 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 413 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 455 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 439 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 470 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 570 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 432 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 512 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 542 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 456 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 467 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 482 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 441 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 415 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 472 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 446 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 431 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 420 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 474 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 449 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 454 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 433 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 591 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 587 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 509 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 482 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 501 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 505 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 550 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 469 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 458 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 442 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 465 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 446 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 535 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 537 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 446 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 461 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 454 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 503 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 470 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 439 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 462 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 422 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 537 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 334 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 486 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 332 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 438 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 424 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 408 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 419 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 484 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 490 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 289 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 329 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 409 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 523 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 357 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 495 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 416 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 401 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 484 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 408 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 427 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 463 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 365 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 449 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 367 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 447 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 362 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 425 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 465 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 360 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 434 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 337 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 385 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 389 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 655 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 421 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 435 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 525 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 562 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 435 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 457 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 628 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 613 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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