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Warwick Wrote:
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> Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> > What classification and specification of modern
> > copper most closely resembles that of the
> copper
> > available during the AE fourth dynasty?
> >
> > How would a modern copper of similar
> > classification and specification to that of the
> AE
> > 4th dynasty impact upon the functionality of
> any
> > tooling and any tooling materials experiments?
> > Are we suggesting that 4th AE copper tooling
> was
> > of a higher and more suitable specification
> than
> > today's copper alloys?
>
>
> Not commenting either way. I am merely
> recognising that any difference will call into
> question the results

If we were to use a modern copper alloy of a higher specification than all known AE examples. How would we interpret the results?


>
>
> > Or even at the very least in terms of granite
> > working, todays forged tool steel and tungsten
> > carbide tipped tools?
>
> How we do it today is not the question.

How we do it today is dictated by the worked material itself, which is unchanged since AE times, Red Granite.
Today it is absolutely necessary to use forged tool steel and tungsten carbide. A necessary process which supports a modern global industry in tool production.
Has the red granite become harder and more difficult to work over the last 4500 years or so?


>
>
> >
> > With regard to granite working. Did the 4th AE
> > have the means to produce and have the use of
> > forged Steel tools?
>
> They had access to iron, they had access to the
> requirements for steeling iron. While I do not
> think they did I do not rule it out either

Where did the 4th AE obtain their iron?
How did they convert their iron into steel alloy?
Are there any examples of 4th AE steel alloy?

Iron isn't forged tool steel and tungsten carbide, nowhere near.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09-Apr-17 19:19 by Jon Ellison.

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3397 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 932 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 839 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 825 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 393 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 448 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 705 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 701 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 469 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 662 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 649 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 711 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 799 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 893 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 588 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 667 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 613 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 522 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 419 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 399 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 468 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 407 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 493 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 453 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 499 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 478 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 368 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 304 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 379 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 343 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 354 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 360 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 372 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 335 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 626 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 141 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 147 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 128 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 142 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 141 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 147 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 181 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 679 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 473 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 527 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 434 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 483 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 486 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 526 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 505 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 475 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 434 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 453 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 488 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 437 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 465 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 569 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 488 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 475 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 555 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 458 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 525 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 507 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 480 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 544 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 441 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 480 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 463 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 497 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 596 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 461 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 539 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 567 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 481 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 487 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 511 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 470 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 442 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 499 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 471 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 475 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 446 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 502 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 477 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 478 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 460 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 618 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 610 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 529 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 504 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 524 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 535 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 579 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 490 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 484 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 472 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 484 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 467 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 567 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 563 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 471 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 490 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 483 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 530 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 492 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 498 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 485 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 452 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 567 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 365 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 513 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 354 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 465 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 470 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 438 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 448 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 510 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 507 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 313 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 356 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 433 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 548 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 382 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 517 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 438 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 431 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 510 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 432 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 446 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 492 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 387 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 473 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 393 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 469 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 384 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 468 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 495 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 378 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 461 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 358 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 411 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 410 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 676 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 439 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 461 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 557 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 584 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 464 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 484 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 724 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 638 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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