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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Warwick Wrote:
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> > Or even iron.
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Regardless, they must have had at least
> bronze as the Mesopotamian had been using it for
> 1,000yrs before and iron is found in Egypt earlier
> than the iron age and is even mentioned in a 6th
> Dynasty text: "The doors of Pekh-ka which are in
> the abyss open themselves to Pepi, the doors of
> the iron which is the ceiling of the sky open
> themselves to Pepi, and he passeth through them;".
> A smelted iron dagger was found in an Anatolian
> (Hattic) tomb dated to 2500BC and evidence of iron
> use dates further in Mesopotamia to at least
> 3000BC.
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,10
> 78751,1080745#msg-1080745]Here[/url]
>
> I think its possible the industrial grade tools
> used iron but the tooling for the grunt work of
> quarrying I do not see as reasonable as the
> temperatures required to make iron usable on a
> large scale were too much.
>
> Of interest from the same thread:
> [quote]Maybe the key to the AE stone working
> [namely granite] was the discovery of relatively
> small caches of iron, even meteoric, which they
> made into "sacred tools" to build the monuments of
> the gods. Like I said, these tools must have been
> rare meaning they may have only made a handful of
> them given the limited amount of material they
> had. If you take all the granite work at Giza, for
> example, particularly given the fact they had
> ample time to fabricate the blocks, in reality it
> could all be done with just a few saws, lathes,
> ect.
>
> If they had only one saw that could only cut one
> block a week this means all of the granite in G1
> could have been easily cut in well less than 2yrs.
> No granite in G1 or G2. The rest of the fine cut
> granite at Giza is found facing the Valley
> Temple-another 2-3yrs? If you took all the cut and
> dressed granite blocks attributed to the 4th
> Dynasty at Giza and Abu Roash, cutting just one
> block a week with one saw, I bet you could easily
> cut all of it in 5yrs or less. 260 blocks. I don't
> know how many blocks of course but for sake of
> argument say it took 10yrs instead. Now imagine
> what you could do with two saws running that each
> could cut two blocks a week. All of the granite
> needed could be cut in a few years which of course
> in reality would only be a few months for each
> structure.
>
> So you've got thousands of poor bastards using the
> basic tools we know they used to cut the core
> blocks with 2 saws at the "saw palace" at the
> quarry cutting granite as needed to spec. By the
> time they get to the point they would install the
> granite it would have already been cut and waiting
> for transport which would have obviously been
> planned for as that would have taken time as well.
>
>
> At the beginning of the 5th Dynasty we all of
> sudden see round columns-the invention of the
> lathe perhaps?
>
> I would also bring up again the "renaissance" of
> the NK which we see an explosion of the use of
> granite which just so happens to coincide with the
> increased use of iron in Anaotlia (and elsewhere)
> and the arrival of the Hyksos, likely Hurrians
> from Anatolia, and a few centuries later the
> Hittites of Anatolia of who the AE had extensive
> contact with the NK none greater than the time of
> Ramses II, the greatest builder of them all. I
> don't think this is a coincidence.
> [/quote]
>
> > The arguments re lack of evidence cut both ways
> in
> > that regard.
>
> Indeed.
>
> The hydraulic nature of the Mediterranean must be
> taken into account when considering the
> possibilities regardless of what is actually found
> in the archaeological record in Egypt as so much
> is missing anyways. This does not give all the
> answers but at least creates a greater baseline to
> work with.

I'll indeed your indeed with a reminder of my view of Giza as a jigsaw puzzle.

Just because one can't see where an individual piece goes is not grounds for determining it doesn't fit anywhere.

Warwick

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3351 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 921 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 823 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 811 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 380 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 426 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 691 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 685 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 456 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 649 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 630 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 696 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 784 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 878 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 567 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 653 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 597 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 507 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 405 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 384 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 457 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 388 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 478 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 439 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 485 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 463 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 354 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 290 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 365 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 331 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 341 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 347 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 357 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 322 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 614 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 126 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 135 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 115 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 127 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 129 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 134 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 169 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 662 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 460 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 514 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 419 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 468 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 470 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 510 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 490 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 453 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 422 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 437 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 476 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 423 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 451 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 556 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 476 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 462 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 540 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 450 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 498 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 490 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 465 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 531 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 427 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 468 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 451 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 484 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 583 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 444 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 525 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 553 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 467 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 478 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 493 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 455 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 428 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 483 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 457 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 442 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 433 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 485 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 461 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 463 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 444 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 605 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 598 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 519 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 493 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 513 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 518 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 564 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 474 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 470 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 455 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 474 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 456 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 554 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 548 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 459 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 476 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 470 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 516 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 481 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 465 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 474 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 438 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 550 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 348 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 501 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 341 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 450 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 443 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 421 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 434 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 495 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 494 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 299 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 339 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 422 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 532 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 367 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 502 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 425 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 413 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 495 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 418 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 433 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 474 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 372 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 460 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 380 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 458 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 370 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 452 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 480 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 367 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 443 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 346 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 396 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 399 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 664 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 430 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 444 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 539 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 570 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 447 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 468 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 668 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 624 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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