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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> There are 3 cartouches in a row in this view (a
> 4th obscured at the top) with different characters
> below the cartouche. If anyone can translate these
> that would be swell, but by "estate name" are
> these to represent the different nomes loyal
> to/associated with the pharaoh?

They seem to have been estates set up to support the funerary foundations. I don’t want to be too emphatic on this, as it needs further study.

Names based on a name of the king (much as pyramid names) and retaining these names after his death.

M.

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Re: Imhotep 821 Thanos5150 27-Feb-17 20:39
Re: Imhotep 673 Corpuscles 28-Feb-17 07:53
Re: Imhotep 631 Rofhessa 28-Feb-17 10:34
Re: Imhotep 617 Corpuscles 28-Feb-17 21:26
Re: Imhotep 714 Rofhessa 03-Mar-17 15:30
Re: Imhotep 540 eyeofhorus33 03-Mar-17 17:04
Re: Imhotep 612 Rofhessa 05-Mar-17 19:14
Re: Imhotep 614 Thanos5150 28-Feb-17 19:07
Re: Imhotep 554 Rofhessa 28-Feb-17 10:30
Re: Imhotep 543 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 15:05
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Re: Imhotep 649 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 21:59
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Re: Imhotep 584 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 01:46
Re: Imhotep 575 cladking 01-Mar-17 15:08
Re: Imhotep 519 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 21:47
Re: Imhotep 419 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 21:58
Re: Imhotep 465 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 22:05
Re: Imhotep 481 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:14
Re: Imhotep 602 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 22:25
Re: Imhotep 682 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:30
Re: Imhotep 590 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 22:52
Re: Imhotep 595 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:58
Re: Imhotep 497 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 03:23
Re: Imhotep 620 Corpuscles 28-Feb-17 21:53
Re: Imhotep 474 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:09
Re: Imhotep 627 Corpuscles 28-Feb-17 23:08
Re: Imhotep 655 Audrey 01-Mar-17 01:10
Re: Imhotep 543 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 01:56
Re: Imhotep 591 Corpuscles 01-Mar-17 04:30
Re: Imhotep 685 Audrey 01-Mar-17 05:03
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Re: Imhotep 643 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 16:04
Re: Imhotep 541 Audrey 01-Mar-17 16:42
Re: Imhotep 554 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 04:13
Re: Imhotep 513 Audrey 01-Mar-17 01:24
Re: Imhotep 626 Thanos5150 28-Feb-17 22:39
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Re: Imhotep 497 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 03:43
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Re: Imhotep 614 Audrey 01-Mar-17 04:43
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Re: Imhotep 551 cladking 01-Mar-17 15:30
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Re: Imhotep 663 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 03:36
Re: Imhotep 537 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 18:50
Re: Imhotep 506 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 21:33
Re: Imhotep 567 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 21:38
Re: Imhotep 604 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 21:56
Re: Imhotep 485 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 22:30
The weaselling continues. 474 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 22:14
Re: The weaselling continues. 592 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 22:26
Re: The weaselling continues. 533 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 22:51
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Re: Imhotep 446 Thanos5150 01-Mar-17 16:11
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Utterance #373 623 cladking 02-Mar-17 01:52
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Re: Imhotep 604 Audrey 01-Mar-17 18:10
Great Post 582 cladking 01-Mar-17 19:45
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Re: Imhotep 520 cladking 02-Mar-17 17:04
Imhotep's Sandals. 534 cladking 02-Mar-17 17:09
Re: Imhotep 515 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 18:58
Re: Imhotep 487 Thanos5150 02-Mar-17 18:10
Re: Imhotep 573 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 18:19
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Re: Imhotep 632 Origyptian 03-Mar-17 21:19
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Re: Imhotep 685 Thanos5150 04-Mar-17 02:33
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Re: Imhotep 548 Thanos5150 05-Mar-17 16:14
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Re: Imhotep 577 Thanos5150 06-Mar-17 05:38
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Re: Imhotep 686 DUNE 06-Mar-17 14:49
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Re: Imhotep 475 DUNE 06-Mar-17 21:22
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Re: Imhotep 577 DUNE 06-Mar-17 23:56
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Re: Imhotep 900 Thanos5150 07-Mar-17 01:40
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Re: Imhotep 591 DUNE 07-Mar-17 16:49
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Re: Imhotep 646 Corpuscles 07-Mar-17 21:53
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Re: Imhotep 661 Origyptian 08-Mar-17 16:29
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Re: Imhotep 593 Audrey 09-Mar-17 01:16
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Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 499 Origyptian 09-Mar-17 14:55
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 409 cladking 09-Mar-17 15:16
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 519 Origyptian 09-Mar-17 16:32
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Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 527 cladking 09-Mar-17 15:39
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 767 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 16:04
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 583 cladking 09-Mar-17 16:27
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 558 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 16:47
You Do the Math. 510 cladking 09-Mar-17 19:32
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Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 657 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 20:25
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 432 cladking 09-Mar-17 21:22
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 526 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 22:11
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 587 cladking 10-Mar-17 01:34
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 508 SandyJesse 11-Mar-17 02:15
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In order to build the great pyramids... 500 Racho 10-Mar-17 01:14
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Re: Imhotep 563 Martin Stower 08-Mar-17 19:15
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Re: Imhotep 489 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 14:53
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Re: Imhotep 560 Audrey 12-Mar-17 02:40
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Re: Imhotep 495 Audrey 12-Mar-17 04:55
Re: Imhotep 639 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 13:14
Re: Imhotep 449 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:12
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Re: Imhotep 528 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 04:07
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Re: Imhotep 475 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 15:10
Who Knew? 446 cladking 12-Mar-17 19:26
Re: Who Knew? 444 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:05
Re: Imhotep 559 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 16:33
Re: Imhotep 544 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 16:53
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Re: Imhotep 420 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 15:33
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Re: Imhotep 446 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 18:53
Re: Imhotep 522 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 19:33
Re: Imhotep 435 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 22:50
Re: Imhotep 462 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 23:24
Re: Imhotep 513 Corpuscles 12-Mar-17 23:44
Re: Imhotep 538 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 01:21
Re: Imhotep 536 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 00:26
Re: Imhotep 488 Warwick 13-Mar-17 13:53
Re: Imhotep 490 cladking 13-Mar-17 13:59
Re: Imhotep 499 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 14:16
Re: Imhotep 466 Warwick 13-Mar-17 14:26
Re: Imhotep 513 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 16:40
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Re: Imhotep 495 cladking 13-Mar-17 17:18
Re: Imhotep 507 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 17:24
Re: Imhotep 477 cladking 13-Mar-17 18:26
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Re: Imhotep 536 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 20:39
Re: Imhotep 446 Warwick 13-Mar-17 18:39
Re: Imhotep 528 Origyptian 11-Mar-17 14:03
Re: Imhotep 500 Merrell 11-Mar-17 14:29
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Re: Imhotep 591 Thanos5150 11-Mar-17 17:27
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Re: Imhotep 621 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 02:49
Re: Funerary Cult 420 Thunderbird 13-Mar-17 05:02
Re: Funerary Cult 402 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 21:31
Re: Funerary Cult 428 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 22:04
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Re: Funerary Cult 434 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 21:35
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Re: Funerary Cult 363 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 13:00
Re: Funerary Cult 526 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 13:34
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Re: Funerary Cult 409 Merrell 15-Mar-17 21:40
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Re: Funerary Cult 307 Warwick 15-Mar-17 19:01
Re: Funerary Cult 382 eyeofhorus33 15-Mar-17 18:19
Re: Funerary Cult 394 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 20:22
Re: Funerary Cult 354 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 21:27
Re: Funerary Cult 476 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 21:48
Re: Funerary Cult 507 R Avry Wilson 16-Mar-17 02:08
Re: Funerary Cult 388 Warwick 15-Mar-17 18:48
Re: Funerary Cult 323 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 20:19
Re: Funerary Cult 468 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 20:23
Re: Funerary Cult 254 Warwick 15-Mar-17 21:08
Re: Funerary Cult 411 Audrey 14-Mar-17 02:55
Re: Funerary Cult 548 Thanos5150 14-Mar-17 05:30
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Re: Half cartouche. 333 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 12:14
Re: Half cartouche. 381 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 12:43
Re: Half cartouche. 365 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 12:56
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Re: Half cartouche. 447 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 16:34
Re: Half cartouche. 598 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 17:19
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Re: Imhotep 435 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 00:20
Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 340 Corpuscles 12-Mar-17 19:58
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 439 cladking 12-Mar-17 20:06
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 382 Corpuscles 12-Mar-17 21:07
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 286 cladking 12-Mar-17 22:32
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 320 Warwick 13-Mar-17 15:38
...In a Million Years. 445 cladking 13-Mar-17 17:36
Re: ...In a Million Years. 278 Warwick 13-Mar-17 17:57
Re: ...In a Million Years. 501 cladking 13-Mar-17 18:33
I will give you one last chance 327 Warwick 13-Mar-17 19:34
Re: I will give you one last chance 402 cladking 13-Mar-17 20:34
Re: ...In a Million Years. 324 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 20:10