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Martin Stower Wrote:
> The numerate will notice that this postdates the
> principal publications.
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> M.


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Imhotep 3986 Rofhessa 26-Feb-17 11:39
Re: Imhotep 770 Lee McGiffen 27-Feb-17 12:15
Re: Imhotep 885 Origyptian 27-Feb-17 15:05
Re: Imhotep 892 Thanos5150 27-Feb-17 20:39
Re: Imhotep 748 Corpuscles 28-Feb-17 07:53
Re: Imhotep 716 Rofhessa 28-Feb-17 10:34
Re: Imhotep 677 Corpuscles 28-Feb-17 21:26
Re: Imhotep 770 Rofhessa 03-Mar-17 15:30
Re: Imhotep 606 eyeofhorus33 03-Mar-17 17:04
Re: Imhotep 663 Rofhessa 05-Mar-17 19:14
Re: Imhotep 665 Thanos5150 28-Feb-17 19:07
Re: Imhotep 620 Rofhessa 28-Feb-17 10:30
Re: Imhotep 620 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 15:05
Re: Imhotep 627 cladking 28-Feb-17 17:00
Re: Imhotep 720 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 21:59
Re: Imhotep 742 cladking 28-Feb-17 23:08
Re: Imhotep 685 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 01:46
Re: Imhotep 643 cladking 01-Mar-17 15:08
Re: Imhotep 634 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 21:47
Re: Imhotep 487 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 21:58
Re: Imhotep 526 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 22:05
Re: Imhotep 547 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:14
Re: Imhotep 668 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 22:25
Re: Imhotep 748 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:30
Re: Imhotep 650 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 22:52
Re: Imhotep 711 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:58
Re: Imhotep 559 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 03:23
Re: Imhotep 679 Corpuscles 28-Feb-17 21:53
Re: Imhotep 539 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:09
Re: Imhotep 684 Corpuscles 28-Feb-17 23:08
Re: Imhotep 745 Audrey 01-Mar-17 01:10
Re: Imhotep 617 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 01:56
Re: Imhotep 656 Corpuscles 01-Mar-17 04:30
Re: Imhotep 760 Audrey 01-Mar-17 05:03
Re: Imhotep 655 Corpuscles 01-Mar-17 06:36
Re: Imhotep 711 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 16:04
Re: Imhotep 607 Audrey 01-Mar-17 16:42
Re: Imhotep 618 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 04:13
Re: Imhotep 576 Audrey 01-Mar-17 01:24
Re: Imhotep 695 Thanos5150 28-Feb-17 22:39
Re: Imhotep 709 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:55
Re: Imhotep 575 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 03:43
Re: Imhotep 625 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 14:07
Re: Imhotep 582 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 16:52
Re: Imhotep 665 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 03:20
Re: Imhotep 691 Audrey 01-Mar-17 04:43
Re: Imhotep 621 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 14:13
Re: Imhotep 744 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 14:35
Re: Imhotep 625 cladking 01-Mar-17 15:30
Re: Imhotep 636 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 15:57
Re: Imhotep 740 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 03:36
Re: Imhotep 603 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 18:50
Re: Imhotep 559 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 21:33
Re: Imhotep 630 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 21:38
Re: Imhotep 703 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 21:56
Re: Imhotep 542 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 22:30
The weaselling continues. 534 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 22:14
Re: The weaselling continues. 662 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 22:26
Re: The weaselling continues. 586 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 22:51
Re: Imhotep 634 cladking 01-Mar-17 15:21
Re: Imhotep 695 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 15:50
Re: Imhotep 640 cladking 01-Mar-17 17:08
Re: Imhotep 505 Thanos5150 01-Mar-17 16:11
Re: Imhotep 551 cladking 01-Mar-17 16:30
Re: Imhotep 665 Thanos5150 01-Mar-17 17:18
Re: Imhotep 626 cladking 01-Mar-17 17:23
Re: Imhotep 682 sfbey 01-Mar-17 17:57
Re: Imhotep 613 cladking 01-Mar-17 19:31
Re: Imhotep 571 Corpuscles 01-Mar-17 21:53
Re: Imhotep 585 cladking 02-Mar-17 01:26
Utterance #373 685 cladking 02-Mar-17 01:52
Re: Utterance #373 656 Corpuscles 02-Mar-17 19:23
Re: Utterance #373 578 cladking 02-Mar-17 19:33
Re: Imhotep 651 cladking 01-Mar-17 16:44
Re: Imhotep 637 Thanos5150 01-Mar-17 19:32
Re: Imhotep 530 cladking 01-Mar-17 19:54
Re: Imhotep 694 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 16:26
Re: Imhotep 556 cladking 01-Mar-17 17:19
Re: Imhotep 597 Audrey 01-Mar-17 17:07
Re: Imhotep 541 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 17:23
Re: Imhotep 568 cladking 01-Mar-17 17:42
Re: Imhotep 689 Audrey 01-Mar-17 18:10
Great Post 637 cladking 01-Mar-17 19:45
Re: Imhotep 638 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 23:05
Re: Imhotep 819 Thanos5150 01-Mar-17 18:12
Re: Imhotep 683 Audrey 02-Mar-17 06:48
Re: Imhotep 590 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 11:32
Re: Imhotep 551 Audrey 02-Mar-17 16:51
Re: Imhotep 581 cladking 02-Mar-17 17:04
Imhotep's Sandals. 594 cladking 02-Mar-17 17:09
Re: Imhotep 613 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 18:58
Re: Imhotep 546 Thanos5150 02-Mar-17 18:10
Re: Imhotep 648 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 18:19
Re: Imhotep 525 Thanos5150 02-Mar-17 18:40
Re: Imhotep 498 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 19:01
Re: Imhotep 700 Thanos5150 03-Mar-17 17:48
Re: Imhotep 706 Origyptian 03-Mar-17 21:19
Re: Imhotep 562 eyeofhorus33 03-Mar-17 22:28
Re: Imhotep 603 Origyptian 03-Mar-17 22:48
Re: Imhotep 542 Martin Stower 04-Mar-17 00:18
Re: Imhotep 475 Origyptian 04-Mar-17 02:40
Re: Imhotep 573 Martin Stower 04-Mar-17 03:38
Re: Imhotep 759 Thanos5150 04-Mar-17 02:33
Re: Imhotep 750 Origyptian 04-Mar-17 04:34
Re: Imhotep 659 Martin Stower 05-Mar-17 01:55
Re: Imhotep 647 Thanos5150 05-Mar-17 02:28
Re: Imhotep 813 Audrey 04-Mar-17 07:43
Re: Imhotep 747 Thanos5150 04-Mar-17 22:59
Re: Imhotep 605 Martin Stower 05-Mar-17 01:05
Re: Imhotep 520 Thanos5150 05-Mar-17 02:00
Re: Imhotep 783 Audrey 05-Mar-17 04:56
Re: Imhotep 515 Origyptian 05-Mar-17 05:32
Re: Imhotep 752 Audrey 05-Mar-17 23:51
Re: Imhotep 738 Thanos5150 05-Mar-17 06:23
Re: Imhotep 579 Martin Stower 05-Mar-17 15:22
Re: Imhotep 609 Thanos5150 05-Mar-17 16:14
Re: Imhotep 815 Audrey 06-Mar-17 02:50
Re: Imhotep 644 Thanos5150 06-Mar-17 05:38
Re: Imhotep 644 R Avry Wilson 06-Mar-17 07:06
Re: Imhotep 755 DUNE 06-Mar-17 14:49
Re: Imhotep 592 Jon Ellison 06-Mar-17 20:33
Re: Imhotep 530 DUNE 06-Mar-17 21:22
Re: Imhotep 686 Origyptian 06-Mar-17 21:38
Re: Imhotep 539 Jon Ellison 06-Mar-17 22:17
Re: Imhotep 496 Jon Ellison 06-Mar-17 22:12
Re: Imhotep 692 Thanos5150 06-Mar-17 23:32
Re: Imhotep 657 DUNE 06-Mar-17 23:56
Re: Imhotep 547 Jon Ellison 07-Mar-17 00:27
Re: Imhotep 536 Jon Ellison 07-Mar-17 01:07
Re: Imhotep 512 Jon Ellison 07-Mar-17 01:16
Re: Imhotep 996 Thanos5150 07-Mar-17 01:40
Re: Imhotep 696 Thanos5150 07-Mar-17 01:58
Re: Imhotep 653 DUNE 07-Mar-17 16:49
Re: Imhotep 642 Thanos5150 07-Mar-17 19:24
Re: Imhotep 590 Thanos5150 07-Mar-17 20:30
Re: Imhotep 713 Corpuscles 07-Mar-17 02:23
Re: Imhotep 798 Origyptian 07-Mar-17 04:45
Re: Imhotep 651 Martin Stower 07-Mar-17 11:11
Re: Imhotep 608 Origyptian 07-Mar-17 13:16
Re: Imhotep 680 Martin Stower 07-Mar-17 15:45
Re: Imhotep 619 Origyptian 07-Mar-17 16:44
Re: Imhotep 720 Martin Stower 07-Mar-17 18:40
Re: Imhotep 703 Corpuscles 07-Mar-17 21:53
Re: Imhotep 487 cladking 08-Mar-17 15:13
Re: Imhotep 761 Origyptian 08-Mar-17 16:29
Re: Imhotep 571 cladking 08-Mar-17 18:12
Re: Imhotep 657 Audrey 09-Mar-17 01:16
Interpretation vs Communication. 499 cladking 09-Mar-17 14:33
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 554 Origyptian 09-Mar-17 14:55
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 462 cladking 09-Mar-17 15:16
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 594 Origyptian 09-Mar-17 16:32
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 609 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 15:17
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 597 cladking 09-Mar-17 15:39
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 843 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 16:04
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 658 cladking 09-Mar-17 16:27
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 621 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 16:47
You Do the Math. 565 cladking 09-Mar-17 19:32
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 520 cladking 09-Mar-17 19:10
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 719 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 20:25
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 490 cladking 09-Mar-17 21:22
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 618 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 22:11
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 652 cladking 10-Mar-17 01:34
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 567 SandyJesse 11-Mar-17 02:15
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 681 SandyJesse 10-Mar-17 00:31
In order to build the great pyramids... 593 Racho 10-Mar-17 01:14
Re: Imhotep 635 Corpuscles 08-Mar-17 18:18
Re: Imhotep 631 Martin Stower 08-Mar-17 19:15
Re: Imhotep 594 Origyptian 08-Mar-17 22:53
Re: Imhotep 551 Martin Stower 09-Mar-17 00:33
Re: Imhotep 508 Origyptian 09-Mar-17 03:35
Re: Imhotep 546 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 14:53
Re: Imhotep 533 Audrey 10-Mar-17 00:51
Re: Imhotep 579 Jon Ellison 10-Mar-17 03:42
Re: Imhotep 668 Audrey 11-Mar-17 06:22
Re: Imhotep 728 Martin Stower 11-Mar-17 11:22
Re: Imhotep 622 Audrey 12-Mar-17 02:40
Re: Imhotep 525 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 03:25
Re: Imhotep 554 Audrey 12-Mar-17 04:55
Re: Imhotep 801 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 13:14
Re: Imhotep 513 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:12
Re: Imhotep 458 cladking 12-Mar-17 04:03
Re: Imhotep 592 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 04:07
Re: Imhotep 527 cladking 12-Mar-17 14:03
Re: Imhotep 558 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 15:10
Who Knew? 500 cladking 12-Mar-17 19:26
Re: Who Knew? 496 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:05
Re: Imhotep 642 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 16:33
Re: Imhotep 598 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 16:53
Re: Imhotep 468 cladking 12-Mar-17 19:30
Re: Imhotep 562 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 07:03
Re: Imhotep 479 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 15:33
Re: Imhotep 527 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 18:13
Re: Imhotep 498 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 18:53
Re: Imhotep 588 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 19:33
Re: Imhotep 495 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 22:50
Re: Imhotep 552 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 23:24
Re: Imhotep 575 Corpuscles 12-Mar-17 23:44
Re: Imhotep 597 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 01:21
Re: Imhotep 643 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 00:26
Re: Imhotep 566 Warwick 13-Mar-17 13:53
Re: Imhotep 545 cladking 13-Mar-17 13:59
Re: Imhotep 568 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 14:16
Re: Imhotep 535 Warwick 13-Mar-17 14:26
Re: Imhotep 587 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 16:40
Re: Imhotep 472 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:43
Re: Imhotep 552 cladking 13-Mar-17 17:18
Re: Imhotep 565 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 17:24
Re: Imhotep 544 cladking 13-Mar-17 18:26
Re: Imhotep 499 Warwick 13-Mar-17 18:42
Re: Imhotep 601 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 20:39
Re: Imhotep 561 Warwick 13-Mar-17 18:39
Re: Imhotep 589 Origyptian 11-Mar-17 14:03
Re: Imhotep 562 Merrell 11-Mar-17 14:29
Re: Imhotep 545 cladking 11-Mar-17 15:03
Re: Imhotep 484 Merrell 11-Mar-17 15:27
Re: Imhotep 524 cladking 11-Mar-17 15:35
Re: Imhotep 566 Merrell 11-Mar-17 16:15
Re: Imhotep 506 cladking 11-Mar-17 18:52
Re: Imhotep 515 Origyptian 11-Mar-17 15:53
Re: Imhotep 640 Thanos5150 11-Mar-17 17:27
Re: Imhotep 536 Warwick 11-Mar-17 17:43
Re: Imhotep 533 Origyptian 11-Mar-17 20:13
Re: Imhotep 668 Warwick 11-Mar-17 20:34
Re: Imhotep 575 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 00:45
Re: Imhotep 677 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 02:49
Re: Funerary Cult 478 Thunderbird 13-Mar-17 05:02
Re: Funerary Cult 474 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 21:31
Re: Funerary Cult 535 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 22:04
Re: Funerary Cult 566 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 22:30
Re: Funerary Cult 497 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 23:51
Re: Funerary Cult 429 Origyptian 14-Mar-17 02:54
Re: Funerary Cult 488 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 09:23
Re: Funerary Cult 385 Origyptian 14-Mar-17 14:01
Re: Funerary Cult 484 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 21:35
Re: Funerary Cult 401 Origyptian 14-Mar-17 23:55
Re: Funerary Cult 521 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 01:24
Re: Funerary Cult 585 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 03:26
Re: Funerary Cult 426 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 13:00
Re: Funerary Cult 575 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 13:34
Re: Funerary Cult 502 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 14:32
Re: Funerary Cult 397 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 15:38
Re: Funerary Cult 464 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 16:06
Re: Funerary Cult 465 Corpuscles 15-Mar-17 16:51
Re: Funerary Cult 313 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 17:08
Re: Funerary Cult 501 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 19:24
Re: Funerary Cult 461 Merrell 15-Mar-17 21:40
Re: Funerary Cult 374 Origyptian 16-Mar-17 00:12
Re: Funerary Cult 504 Martin Stower 16-Mar-17 00:53
Re: Funerary Cult 367 Warwick 15-Mar-17 19:01
Re: Funerary Cult 447 eyeofhorus33 15-Mar-17 18:19
Re: Funerary Cult 455 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 20:22
Re: Funerary Cult 440 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 21:27
Re: Funerary Cult 536 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 21:48
Re: Funerary Cult 552 R Avry Wilson 16-Mar-17 02:08
Re: Funerary Cult 445 Warwick 15-Mar-17 18:48
Re: Funerary Cult 370 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 20:19
Re: Funerary Cult 519 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 20:23
Re: Funerary Cult 304 Warwick 15-Mar-17 21:08
Re: Funerary Cult 509 Audrey 14-Mar-17 02:55
Re: Funerary Cult 655 Thanos5150 14-Mar-17 05:30
Re: Funerary Cult 438 Warwick 14-Mar-17 18:12
Re: Half cartouche. 396 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 12:14
Re: Half cartouche. 447 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 12:43
Re: Half cartouche. 418 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 12:56
Re: Half cartouche. 403 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 13:37
Re: Half cartouche. 437 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 13:42
Re: Half cartouche. 391 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 15:00
Re: Half cartouche. 363 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 15:52
Re: Half cartouche. 506 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 16:34
Re: Half cartouche. 653 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 17:19
Re: Half cartouche. 528 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 20:07
Re: Half cartouche. 464 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 22:50
Re: Imhotep 556 Warwick 13-Mar-17 14:00
Re: Imhotep 536 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 14:10
Re: Imhotep 533 Merrell 13-Mar-17 15:22
Re: Imhotep 332 Warwick 13-Mar-17 15:30
Re: Imhotep 490 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 15:35
Re: Imhotep 444 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 15:51
Re: Imhotep 385 Warwick 13-Mar-17 15:58
Re: Imhotep 379 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 16:10
Re: Imhotep 434 Merrell 13-Mar-17 18:27
Re: Imhotep 456 Warwick 13-Mar-17 18:31
Re: Imhotep 453 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 18:40
Re: Imhotep 374 Warwick 13-Mar-17 18:48
Re: Imhotep 538 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 20:17
Re: Imhotep 343 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 16:50
Re: Imhotep 425 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:57
Re: Imhotep 451 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 18:10
Re: Imhotep 370 Warwick 13-Mar-17 19:28
Re: Imhotep 423 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 19:54
Re: Imhotep 347 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 15:48
Re: Imhotep 515 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 16:28
Re: Imhotep 363 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:40
Re: Imhotep 485 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 19:15
Re: Imhotep 322 Warwick 13-Mar-17 19:22
Re: Imhotep 397 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 20:30
Re: Imhotep 574 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 21:06
Re: Imhotep 349 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 21:29
Re: Imhotep 428 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 21:34
Re: Imhotep 395 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 22:01
Re: Imhotep 491 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 22:41
Re: Imhotep 354 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 23:43
Re: Imhotep 442 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 12:42
Re: Imhotep 359 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 16:42
Re: Imhotep 523 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 15:02
Re: Imhotep 473 Martin Stower 11-Mar-17 21:07
Re: Imhotep 554 Thanos5150 11-Mar-17 21:19
Re: Imhotep 630 Martin Stower 11-Mar-17 22:12
Re: Imhotep 570 Audrey 12-Mar-17 00:24
Re: Imhotep 493 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 00:55
Re: Imhotep 588 Thanos5150 12-Mar-17 01:41
Re: Imhotep 498 Audrey 12-Mar-17 02:30
Re: Imhotep 621 Thanos5150 12-Mar-17 07:02
Re: Imhotep 445 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 08:49
Re: Imhotep 402 Thanos5150 12-Mar-17 16:52
Re: Imhotep 414 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 21:10
Re: Imhotep 347 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 22:02
Re: Imhotep 400 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 22:16
Re: Imhotep 428 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 23:51
Re: Imhotep 458 Origyptian 14-Mar-17 04:04
Re: Imhotep 369 Audrey 12-Mar-17 19:54
Re: Imhotep 442 Thanos5150 12-Mar-17 21:07
Re: Imhotep 466 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 22:37
Re: Imhotep 377 Audrey 12-Mar-17 23:58
Re: Imhotep 485 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 00:20
Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 391 Corpuscles 12-Mar-17 19:58
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 495 cladking 12-Mar-17 20:06
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 438 Corpuscles 12-Mar-17 21:07
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 338 cladking 12-Mar-17 22:32
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 378 Warwick 13-Mar-17 15:38
...In a Million Years. 498 cladking 13-Mar-17 17:36
Re: ...In a Million Years. 325 Warwick 13-Mar-17 17:57
Re: ...In a Million Years. 578 cladking 13-Mar-17 18:33
I will give you one last chance 432 Warwick 13-Mar-17 19:34
Re: I will give you one last chance 464 cladking 13-Mar-17 20:34
Re: ...In a Million Years. 402 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 20:10