Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Origyptian Wrote:
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> > Tallet uses the cattle count to date Merer's
> > spreadsheet at el-Jarf, which he uses, in turn,
> to
> > fuel his claim (not hypothesis) that because
> the
> > papyrus mentions the shipment of an unspecified
> > number and size of limestone blocks to Giza
> > (without stating the purpose of those blocks)
> and
> > includes a Khufu cartouche (translation of
> context
> > not provided), it therefore is (not
> "might
> > be") contemporaneous with the construction of
> G1
> > which, in turn, dates it to the end of Khufu's
> > reign in 3rd mill. BC, which therefore makes it
> > the oldest papyrus ever found, etc., etc.,
> etc.,
>
> As you already know, these are not the "only"
> reasons the papyri are dated to the 4th Dynasty,
> the least of which is Khufu's half brother is also
> mentioned in detail as an administrator.
> Again[url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php
> ?1,1058480,1062823#msg-1062823](8-16)[/url]:
>
> [quote]...the papyri notes Ankhhaf,half-brother of
> Khufu, was the administrator of the project who is
> well attested at Giza:
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> Owner of the unusually large eastern cemetery
> mastaba G 7150:
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> > [b]To his credit, Marouard is not so
> optimistic.[/b]
>
> Apparently porky pies are never out of season for
> some. Again, nowhere does Marouard express an iota
> of doubt regarding the provenance of the papyri.
> You said
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,10
> 58480,1062823#msg-1062823]8-16[/url]:
> [b]"Even Greg Marouard expressed his caution about
> making assumptions from the findings!"[/b]
>
> I replied:
> [quote]By saying these papyri could have been put
> there "anytime over the past few millennia" you
> are doubt mongering their provenance to the 4th
> Dynasty which is nonsense. Are you saying they are
> forgeries? Or, that someone a thousand years
> later, assumed all things 4th Dynasty down to
> placing Khufu's brother as the administrator of
> the project and made up some journal about mundane
> record keeping? You just said what I quote above
> yet you try and make it seem as if it never
> happened and ramble on about something else. It's
> crazy that you do this every single time.
>
> Speaking of which, it is just plain dishonest, if
> not weird because you are the one quoting him, to
> say [b]"[i]Greg Marouard[/i] expressed his caution
> about making assumptions from the findings!"[/b]
> as it pertains to the provenance of the papyri as
> there is zero doubt in his mind this is when they
> are from and your own quote says he is
> specifically reffering to the casing stones. To
> refresh our memories:
>
> [quote]"Sorry we have no idea about the size and
> number of blocks or the size and the number of
> boats used...the Merrer's journal is just a sort
> of "account of the time", with two columns for a
> single day in order to record where they have
> worked and where they slept every days. It give us
> an accurate timing for the stone deliveries and
> some ideas about the topography and the toponyms
> in the Memphite area at this time.
>
> We have no clear idea about the men average in a
> team (phyle is a subdivision of an aper), we can
> estimate about 100 to 200 men, but most of the
> previous evaluations on the workforce for an aper
> (1000 or 2000 or less ?) are not strongly founded
> apparently.
>
> [b]Considering the casing, actually it's a little
> too early to be completely affirmative, caution
> must be exercised.[/b] We think about that because
> the global closure of the port site and the date
> delivered by the papyri in this final context of
> occupation, a terminus around the Year 27, could
> indicate the end of the construction project at
> Giza...and therefore the laying of the external
> casing."[/quote]
>
> Where does he say anything about the need not to
> "make assumptions" regarding the provenance of
> these papyri? See above in bold.[/quote]
>
> You need to be honest and stop misrepresenting
> Marouard.

I'll try to answer your question if you identify where I misrepresented him.

Where did I say that Tallet relied only on the cattle count?

Also, who determined that Ankh-Kaf was Khufu's half brother? Let me guess - Reisner.




Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11-Mar-17 20:26 by Origyptian.