Origyptian Wrote:
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> Martin Stower Wrote:
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> > ...
> > Shut up, Femano. My authority for telling you to
> > comes from my being an honest man and your being a
> > charlatan posing as an arbiter.
> > ...

First let’s have a more adequate quote:

Origyptian Wrote:
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> Martin Stower Wrote:
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> > Origyptian Wrote:
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> > > First, I asked Corpuscles not you, so don't tell
> > > me to shut up.
> >
> > The moral reasoning of a dunce.
> >
> > Shut up, Femano. My authority for telling you to
> > comes from my being an honest man and your being a
> > charlatan posing as an arbiter.
> >
> > Posting a pure innuendo that older papyri have
> > been found makes you answerable to us. Back it up
> > with evidence, or shut up. Stop trying to mislead
> > people with stuff you’ve made up.
>
> Actually, you have zero authority
> here, which is exactly the amount of authority I
> have here.

Oh, really⸮ We wouldn’t have known this from the way you’ve told some of us to ignore your posts. (It may eventually filter through the layers of bone and conceit that what I’ve presented here is in part a parody of your dictatorial attitude.)

And if you’re being as dishonest as I think you are, then I and others have moral authority sub specie aeternitatis to tell you to stop.

“In my opinion.”

> And once again you attempt to illogically impose a
> burden of proof on the challenger. I need
> no evidence to challenge the claim that those
> papyri are the oldest ever found. . . .

. . . and once again you lay claim to a status which exempts you from producing evidence, even in the act of forwarding a claim which requires it.

Do you really not get that this is precisely what more people than me find objectionable⸮

And yes, Doctor, you are forwarding a claim. Never mind that you convey it by innuendo, precisely in order to get round the need for evidence. The suggestion you’ve tabled is that the Wadi al-Jarf papyri are not the oldest ever found, from which it follows trivially that at least one older papyrus has been found. Simple logic, Doctor—and it’s this latter, entailed, equivalent proposition which stands in need of evidence, to make it anything other than an empty speculation.

> . . . The claim was made by Corpuscles based on
> Tallet's writings . . .

Oh, really⸮ You’ve decided this⸮ You must have done, as it’s not exactly what he said in reply.

So when you asked him this:

“What makes you say it's the oldest one ever found?”

—it wasn’t a genuine question, but a rhetorical one, designed to insinuate a suggestion, in a way which avoided the demands for evidence which an honest and open claim would have met.

Added:

All of this being largely confirmed by your claiming the status of “challenger” and making it clear that the object of your “challenge” is “the claim that those papyri are the oldest ever found”.

> . . . (and apparently you subscribe to that claim),
> and I simply asked him what he (not you) considers
> to be the basis of that claim. You act as though all
> claims made by Egyptologists (e.g. Tallet) or
> other investigators (e.g., Corpuscles) may not be
> challenged.
>
> And rather than simply saying "It's in Tallet's
> writings for all to see" (8 measly words), you
> chose to carry on with a 275 word diatribe that
> offers zero additional information but simply
> belabors us with more of your predictable rants
> which are full of "Oh no you don't"
> deflections, hostility, and self-proclaimed
> psychic talent that you apparently believe
> empowers you to divine what others are thinking.
>
> It's not working.

Thank you for showing us what a “rant” and a “diatribe” look like.

M.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07-Mar-17 23:07 by Martin Stower.